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Religion Catholic Church in Victoria linked to 40+ suicides
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was it the Christian College in Geelong that had about 38 traced to it. And the main offender, who just got done late last year in the supreme court, might have got something like 14 years.
Would these offenders have gone into a childrens home in that era, if they could not become teachers at boarding schools.
Would these offenders have gone into a childrens home in that era, if they could not become teachers at boarding schools.
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Yeh but what we should rabbit on about is the dysfunctionality of gays, contraception users, proponents of legal abortion etc etc
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Personally if I had to go to mass early every Sunday morning, I'd do myself in too.
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I have been going for almost fifty years - the only thing that keeps me hanging in are the great people with me in the pews and the average parish priest or nun who are generally nice people. As soon as they get about the rank of Monsignor they are company men divorced from reality
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Move along, people. Nothing to see here.
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evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
Look out, John Faine has his back up now. There's talk of Royal Commissions.
If the government is to conduct an enquiry into that, I hope they also conduct one into several departments under their control; notably DHS (which continues to have a shockingly high proportion of sex offence victims - and over the years set up many to be abused with staggeringly poor decisions) and police until quite recent times (notably a western suburbs station which made a habit of summarily dismissing complaints of sex offences and destroying evidence).
For all the Catholic Church's many failures in this area, they were far from alone through the latter half of last century.
For all the Catholic Church's many failures in this area, they were far from alone through the latter half of last century.
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But religion provides so much comfort...
if only...could you imagine if a non-religious organization was responsible for what the the catholic church has been up to over the years? They would be shut down by now.
Religion is really the root of evil
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Ah yes, the comfort of an early death. Such an event certainly lessens ones worries. All problems solved really. If only we could convince the religious to stop 'helping' people.
I detest religion as much as the next mofo.
However the events at Penn State show that the inability to take appropriate against such crimes can happen in any organisation.
Im not overly religious, but its not religion thats the problem, its man that use/d it for their own purposes. Theres corrupt man everywhere, police, politics, armies, schools, hospitals, business and so on - but i understand for some its fun to bash religion so carry on.
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No, religion is the problem. There will always be good people and there will always be bad people, but you want a good people to do bad things? Nothing is more effective than religion. Do you disagree?
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That isn't true. It's obviously harder to get estimates for total religious deaths vs total communism deaths but pretty much every estimate I see puts religion as a level above.
But let's not dwell on details. Even if Communism had killed more, that wouldn't change either of the following:
(i) There is a fundamental difference between the slaughter of millions by a dictatorship and massacres caused by "divinely inspired" people who actually thought they were going good things for God or Allah who whatever ficticious deity they had in their head. The worst kind of evil is often when the person thinks they are actually doing good. I do not doubt that people have faught and killed millions for other causes such as land and resources before, but not quite on the same scale as religion.
(ii) Religion is still a highly effective way of causing otherwise good people to commit atrocities, even if the numbers were to say that Communism was more effective.
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Also as an interesting point you may want to look up the similarities between communism and religion. I wouldn't go as far as saying communism was a religion, but there are very many interesting and important similarities. I'm not sure if Stalin and co would have been as successful if he didn't have past theocracies to learn from.
But anyway, we're getting off the topic here.
and what do religion always want??? $$$$$
I see what you mean...but religion preaches that God always looks down on us etc... but for some reason the "men of god" Priests seem to slip under the radar and get away with some awful crimes...the man in the cloud is falling asleep on the job.
more seriously, my concerns with religion and there ability to get away with crimes is that for far too long these organisations have had a stranglehold over society too influence governments...I just think or hope that the tide will start to shift against these organisations from both society and governments
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Even if you believe this, Religion playing second fiddle to communism is no less of an indictment.
That some other ridiculous belief system was more efficient in wiping out it's detractors is moot.
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