Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 2

[Chief]

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

It will probably take many months for a vaccine.

There's the problem. Assuming one will exist. Any strategy has to assume one won't exist. If one does come into existence it's a bonus.

 

[PP34]

Got a question on video's being pulled from social media. I'm not up to date about this stuff.




I watched it and thought it was pretty good and well documented. Why is the video being pulled from media such as facebook.

2020, where reputable media sources are constantly slandered and random YouTube videos are posted as “good” informative sources.

 

[Billy ray]

No. It is unlikely that any state health service would release this sort of detailed information about critically ill patients whilst they are being treated.

Be nice if they say Something like
10 were > 80 years
15 were 70-80
12 were 60-70
And 6 were < 60

or something

 

[Sylvia Saint]

There's the problem. Assuming one will exist. Any strategy has to assume one won't exist. If one does come into existence it's a bonus.

Hold on, you're saying you don't agree with Australia's strategy? What is yours?

 

[burge13]

Be nice if they say Something like
10 were > 80 years
15 were 70-80
12 were 60-70
And 6 were < 60

or something

It would only fuel more young people ignoring rules and probably force government hand to quarantine the 65+ and let everyone else carry on with life as theyre essentially unaffected

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Hold on, you're saying you don't agree with Australia's strategy? What is yours?

If Australia's strategy involves waiting for a vaccine then no I don't agree with it. We are pinning our hopes on something they might not be able to be made.

If one doesn't exist we may have to let it through the community slowly.

 

[BACCS]

The figures include COVID-19 patients being treated under HITH (Hospital In The Home).

So they’ve had over 2000 recoveries then? Does HITH include mild cases?

 

[Caesar]

So they’ve had over 2000 recoveries then? Does HITH include mild cases?

It depends on how you define recoveries, but the number of active cases includes all patients currently being managed for COVID-19 in NSW (in hospital or otherwise).

 

[BACCS]

It depends on what you mean by 'counting recoveries'. NSW Health has always counted the number of diagnoses, deaths, and patients currently under care. The balancing figure can in some sense be treated as recoveries (although experts may take issue with that definition).

The reason public-domain data specifically surrounding recoveries has been fairly scant is mostly down to the primary purpose of the data releases. That is - to give people information that will help control the spread of the virus. As a result the important things to tell people are how many new cases we are seeing, and where they are coming from (both in terms of infection source and physical cluster). Once a case is identified and enters into clinical management, what happens to them from that point onwards is mostly unimportant from a prevention perspective.

Certainly a lot of people are interested in how and when identified cases resolve, but that's not necessarily a justification for publishing data on it it. After all, each of those data points is a real medical record relating to a real person. The more information you put out into the world about it, the more you're compromising that person's privacy and the greater risk you are putting them at of being identified.

NSW has to be particularly careful, because the case location data they have released is more detailed than any other state - right down to postcode level. Many of those postcodes have only a handful of cases - which means the privacy of those individuals is already at risk.

States were told by the Federal Government in early April to start reporting recoveries on a regular basis.

 

[Caesar]

States were told by the Federal Government in early April to start reporting recoveries on a regular basis.

Which NSW does - to the federal government for use in the combined statistics.

They have chosen not release detailed data publically on their own website, presumably for the aforementioned reasons. There is no real need to given that they give the active case numbers in the daily briefing.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_13.pdf

3,747 recoveries (61 today)
66 in ICU
201 admitted to hospital
380,003 tests (1.7% positive)

 

[BACCS]

If Australia's strategy involves waiting for a vaccine then no I don't agree with it. We are pinning our hopes on something they might not be able to be made.

If one doesn't exist we may have to let it through the community slowly.

I thought it was pretty clear today that the exit strategy for opening up borders within Australia by September doesn’t involve a vaccine. Internationally, still way too early to say how that will be handled.

 

[Reynolds Number]

More than half the cases have resulted in recoveries which is also

 

[burge13]

I thought it was pretty clear today that the exit strategy for opening up borders within Australia by September doesn’t involve a vaccine. Internationally, still way too early to say how that will be handled.

"By september" hopefully excludes sport and they can start sooner.

1.7% positive (some states even better)
Only 200 admitted to hospital from the above post.

We have private hospitals empty due to no elective surgery atm. If we cant handle opening things (local sport, pro sport with no crowds, pubs/cafes with crowd limits etc) by June we are jumping at shadows worse than even I thought

 

[BACCS]

"By september" hopefully excludes sport and they can start sooner.

1.7% positive (some states even better)
Only 200 admitted to hospital from the above post.

We have private hospitals empty due to no elective surgery atm. If we cant handle opening things (local sport, pro sport with no crowds, pubs/cafes with crowd limits etc) by June we are jumping at shadows worse than even I thought

Pretty sure the 4 week timeframe will allow for sport to be played without crowds, can’t imagine the AFL would be saying they are confident in announcing a restart date by end of April without that knowledge.

 

[burge13]

Pretty sure the 4 week timeframe will allow for sport to be played without crowds, can’t imagine the AFL would be saying they are confident in announcing a restart date by end of April without that knowledge.

I just looked at our stats. We just about have to get back to normal to give our healthcare workers something to do. You couldn't justify this much longer at all

If testing ramps up and takes 2-3 days for results, if we are like this still in 10 days we need to reverse some measures. Simple as that

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I thought it was pretty clear today that the exit strategy for opening up borders within Australia by September doesn’t involve a vaccine. Internationally, still way too early to say how that will be handled.

Internationally will be a challenge. The planet being sort of big means a little virus can hide somewhere.

Pretty sure the 4 week timeframe will allow for sport to be played without crowds, can’t imagine the AFL would be saying they are confident in announcing a restart date by end of April without that knowledge.

They would surely be told things from those in charge that we don't.

 

[MarcMaverick]

All I will say is this:

We shouldn't be solely fixated on the idea that the vaccine is the be all and end all. As wonderful of an idea as it seems.

A good tactician has contingencies should a Plan A backfire. We'd be foolish not to have at least 2 backup strategies. Even if it means going to Plan Quetzalcoatl.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Can't really blame the powers that be for being ultra cautious - Singapore had it under control but their numbers have completely exploded over the last few days.

 

[Gralin]

Can't really blame the powers that be for being ultra cautious - Singapore had it under control but their numbers have completely exploded over the last few days.

They thought they had it under control. That's the issue we still don't really know what we are dealing with. How to trace and track, who to test, mortality rates etc.

I don't know why, but I find Morrison impossible to watch. Something about his presenting style.

Usually I'm a massive news junkie, but I find myself skipping his pressers and reading the summary instead.

I don't think most of us are his actual target audience for these speeches.

There's the problem. Assuming one will exist. Any strategy has to assume one won't exist. If one does come into existence it's a bonus.

I'm guessing current research and past sars corona research point towards vaccines being possible
There are a lot of specialists in the field saying the expect immunity to exist for the majority of those who recover and they've seen immune responses in parents that mimic the flu.
Whether they are effective or not how long and how strong immunity is and what % of people develop it is all important.
The more they learn about that the more clear vaccination will become
I agree they shouldn't be betting on it but at the same time when you don't know what the response needs to be with something like this you lock down while working it out.
They may figure out they can ease restrictions without a vaccine. If they can find decent treatments to improve survival rates, reduce severity and speed recovery then that gives them options.
At the moment no matter what they say the end game is they are buying time for the research and gearing up of hospitals and stockpiling of equipment.

It would only fuel more young people ignoring rules and probably force government hand to quarantine the 65+ and let everyone else carry on with life as theyre essentially unaffected

Do you perhaps follow the Murdoch papers that like to blame everything on the youth?

 

[Bostonian]

My advice? Don’t seek all your geopolitical knowledge from a comedian.

That's good, because I don't.

People like Glenn Greenwald and Dylan Ratigan provide it for the show when it comes to the US.

I think you'll find they are well and truly up to the task.

 

[Gralin]

That's good, because I don't.

People like Glenn Greenwald and Dylan Ratigan provide it for the show when it comes to the US.

I think you'll find they are well and truly up to the task.

What has this got to do with covid 19?

 

[Mateyman]

If Australia's strategy involves waiting for a vaccine then no I don't agree with it. We are pinning our hopes on something they might not be able to be made.

If one doesn't exist we may have to let it through the community slowly.

You're pinning your hopes on a herd immunity which we may never get. Way too little is known about the virus to know the risks of that. You're dealing with uncertainty and I'd much rather take the chance we will have a vaccine than try to infect 60% of the populace. If there is no vaccine you can always open up the country to the virus. You can't go the other way

 

[Bostonian]

Tell you what, these press conferences are so much more pleasant and amiable than a White House briefing.

- PM fully supports advice of CMO
- PM doesn't cut in when CMO is asked an awkward question, or refute when CMO goes off message
- Journalists ask thoughtful questions, PM tries to provide a thoughtful response, civil discussion ensues
- No propaganda video showing how great the PM is played to journalists while PM is smug on the sidelines

No tosser journalists like Jim Acosta there though which helps.