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This is just an awful awful take. To state it as fact is even worse.t has similarities to Sam Mitchell and Adam Goodes and how we dealt with aspects of their time as players. Sam Mitchell was getting booed by opposition supporters for going into contests with his knees and unintentionally hurting players. He came out and said that he was receiving feedback that he needed to change how he played. he did so, and everyone moved on. Adam Goodes was getting booed in the middle of his diving/sliding into contests with his knees phase, he claimed it was a racial thing and it blew up to be bigger than Ben Hur when it probably didn't need to be.
I think Mitchell is , well confident he is anywayWhat a heartbreaking, but important, read.
Jeff needs to go and hawthorn (and society) needs to be much better. Positive change won’t happen overnight and, tragically, it might be too late for Cyril and Shannyn to ever reconcile with the hawks but we owe it to the current and future indigenous players.
I hope Mitchell is serious about progress. I don’t want talk, though. I’d like to see something tangible and meaningful come out of this. He was a senior player and would have been present in the lockeroom when a lot of this was going on - he needs to address this also.
Also, reading this thread, some of you are racists.
So I say I had sex with your mother last night and it turns out your mother is dead (and I didn’t know this), is the only bit that can be considered offensive the bit where I said I had sex with your mother and not the connotation I desecrated her corpse?Not really, the definition is that it causes offence. For something to be a cause then it has to be the primary reason, rather than someone taking offence for other reasons.
If that's your definition then anything can be offensive, and the word loses meaning.Shannyn has come out and said the joke offended her
therefore, it has caused offense
Yes.So I say I had sex with your mother last night and it turns out your mother is dead (and I didn’t know this), is the only bit that can be considered offensive is the bit where I said I had sex with your mother and not the connotation I desecrated her corpse?
Where did he speak?Sam spoke well, here hoping he makes this a priority for the club off-field.
Holding people to different standards in the name of social justice is not a sign of equality either.Any jokes that don’t take personal circumstances into account or cultural sensitivities open themselves up to be taken as racist jokes by those who are targeted.
That’s not a new thing.
According to Caro on the radio today, he’s still playing, and so is the player the comment was directed to.The player who made that racist slur should come forward, and also the players who were there and said nothing should apologise.
I don't get the big deal about the jeans, sounds like a dad joke. Rude, sure. Racist? Idk.
are we purely discussing grammar/the english language here?If that's your definition then anything can be offensive, and the word loses meaning.
i don't want to argue in bad faith so basically what I'm getting is you think that causing offense should be based on intention, and not reaction – is that correct?
It’s a little thing called empathy. Accepting that people have lived different lives to you. We constantly take this into account when talking to people.Holding people to different standards in the name of social justice is not a sign of equality either.
This is also not a new thing.
His name is not Kennett so it's okay to be a racist.According to Caro on the radio today, he’s still playing, and so is the player the comment was directed to.
It can't just be reaction.
A statement is offensive because of bigotry, thoughtlessness, as well as how much damage it has done.
If it's purely on perception, then we really need to rethink what an 'offensive' statement is, where it no longer necessarily becomes a black mark against someone.
a lot of people ITT have said that player should be called out and publically apologiseHis name is not Kennett so it's okay to be a racist.
Any jokes that don’t take personal circumstances into account or cultural sensitivities open themselves up to be taken as racist jokes by those who are targeted.
That’s not a new thing.
The absolute facts are these:This is just an awful awful take. To state it as fact is even worse.
There was certainly a lot of manipuating of the truth. The kind of distortion that often happens in AFL media with reporting on trvial football games, was applied to a much more serious issue. That's why fans were pissed.The absolute facts are these:
Adam Goodes was booed by Hawthorn fans for a couple of years because of his actions against Hawthorn. He dived and cheated, but the one moment that was never forgotten or forgiven was the sliding of his knees into Josh Gibson's shins, which was extremely close to breaking his legs.
The year after when the booing continued, Caroline Wilson wrote an article that manipulated these events into the idea that he was being booed because of his race, which was an outrageous lie. However there was definitely an AFL-pushed agenda behind this one: get Hawthorn's fans off his back at all costs. So they went the race card.
How did that play out? Everyone else started booing him because they could see it as that.
At that point some racists definitely jumped on board and muddied all of that up.
I was at those games when those earlier moments happened. I laughed when the article was written. I still cannot believe how those events have been manipulated to this day.
I feel for Adam Goodes. He only deserved the boos of Hawthorn fans. The AFL and its media partners tried to quell those, but instead turned the whole competition's fan base onto him.
Tell yourself whatever you like about what actually happened back then. If it's not in the order as above, you're lying.
In what year Was the racist comment made?According to Caro on the radio today, he’s still playing, and so is the player the comment was directed to.
2013 at an end of season trip. It’s a short list of who it could be.In what year Was the racist comment made?