Draft Expert Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

[briztoon]

I’m fine with father sons, but the rest of the imbalances can go in the bin.

Read, "I'm fine with a system that may randomly benefit my club, but anything that we don't have access to can get in the bin."

There are technically now 5 footy states, is it fair that 4 of those states won't see a grand final played there in the next 50 years?

The competition is full of imbalances, including that 55% of the draftees come from one state, but all the victorians here are up in arms over an imbalance that is growing the game outside of victoria. Fine, bin the academies, but stop all the Vic mummy boys refusing to move interstate or going home after their first contract, because it's for the good of the game.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Don't know, Swann didn't name them all.

You have a father son thread on your own board with a link to a recent Geelong Advertiser article about the 20+ kids from the next 4 drafts who are training with you over summer.

You might want to fact check before you reply in future.

Now it's 20+. I wish you blokes would make up your mind.

Try about 6 who are unlikely to make it. Some don't even play the sport.

And Northern academies far outweigh any father/son rule.

 

[briztoon]

I am a bit traditionalist its been going on long enough now to be a bit of a tradition now. Just ask the sons of farthers they are over the moon to play for the team that their dad played for. We may have missed on a few good ones recently but pretty happy with who we ended up with instead in George and Harry. Who have we got coming up briztoon and were are they likely to go. It's got nothing at all to do with who we may or may not be getting because of it. And for the Cats farther sons good on them.

There's literally a father son thread on every board, you don't have to ask me, you guys are discussing it on your own board.

 

[pupstar]

There's literally a father son thread on every board, you don't have to ask me, you guys are discussing it on your own board.

I know who they are but you bought it up about our future FS so i figured you would know who they are.

 

[briztoon]

You might want to fact check before you reply in future.

Now it's 20+. I wish you blokes would make up your mind.

Try about 6 who are unlikely to make it. Some don't even play the sport.

Swann said 32 over the next 5 drafts in a recent SEN interview that you already discussed on your own board, in your father son thread.

The 20+ are kids listed in the article for the next 4 drafts.

How many are likely to make it has no bearing on the argument.

Just for the Lions academy, we have somewhere between 40 and 50 kids in our level 1 group each year.

Take out Fletcher and Ashcroft as father sons, and our academy has produced how many kids over the past 5 drafts (2019-2023)?

2019:
Keidean Coleman (who was an overager 19 year old, after being passed over by every club in 2018, his draft year).
2020:
Blake Coleman (delisted 2023).
Carter Michael (Cat B rookie. Academy Selection).
2021:
n/a
2022:
Shadeau Brain (Cat B rookie. Zone Selection. Passed over in that National Draft, where we had no right to match).
2023:
Bruce Reville (Cat B rookie. Zone Selection. 22 year old. ex academy kid, then VFL top up, who had been passed over that last 4 drafts).

That's a scary list.

#jumping at shadows

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Swann said 32 over the next 5 drafts in a recent SEN interview that you already discussed on your own board, in your father son thread.

The 20+ are kids listed in the article for the next 4 drafts.

Who the hell is Swann and where is that article?

2024 - Alfie Wojcinski
2025 - Jagger Mooney
2025 - Boston Riccardi
2026 - Jack Graham
2027 - Oscar King
2027 - Monty Wojcinski
2028 - James Taylor

That's our next 5 drafts re; father/sons.

Nowhere near 20 and sure as hell nowhere near 32.

Most are longshots to even make it.

 

[pupstar]

Who the hell is Swann and where is that article?

2024 - Alfie Wojcinski
2025 - Jagger Mooney
2025 - Boston Riccardi
2026 - Jack Graham
2027 - Oscar King
2027 - Monty Wojcinski
2028 - James Taylor

That's our next 5 drafts re; father/sons.

Nowhere near 20 and sure as hell nowhere near 32.

Most are longshots to even make it.

I hope you have 20 and they are all guns

 

[Alite]

By parity, you mean return of the VFL.

How could you ask that question with a straight face.

Your mob will be getting a top 5 pick in 2024 for chump change… possibly the number 1 pick! If I said I’d give you the Hawks 1st pick in 2024 for Will Ashcroft, you would rightly laugh at that.

The Lion’s have already received a top 2 pick (who may have been considered the best in the draft but for him doing his ACL) for chump change in 2022.

Then there is Fletcher who, you would agree, looks a gun.

And all of this provided to Brisbane while they just competed in last years Grand Final.

How can other teams compete? How can Freo and StKilda compete with the bias of talent.

please know: I do not include the Hawks, Carlton or Adelaide in this whinge fest. All of these teams will do well despite the northern states obvious and continued hand outs (we don’t talk about the Shinbeggers).

Don’t worry briztoon , I am not even close to finishing on this.

Suffice to say, I would not, and never would want your intentionally incendiary idea to take root.

But I know you, what you do, for Bigfooty’s sake.

so… For movie buffs! “Let the blo0d run free”.

 

[briztoon]

How could you ask that question with a straight face.

Your mob will be getting a top 5 pick in 2024 for chump change… possibly the number 1 pick! If I said I’d give you the Hawks 1st pick in 2024 for Will Ashcroft, you would rightly laugh at that.

The Lion’s have already received a top 2 pick (who may have been considered the best in the draft but for him doing his ACL) for chump change in 2022.

Then there is Fletcher who, you would agree, looks a gun.

And all of this provided to Brisbane while they just competed in last years Grand Final.

How can other teams compete? How can Freo and StKilda compete with the bias of talent.

please know: I do not include the Hawks, Carlton or Adelaide in this whinge fest. All of these teams will do well despite the northern states obvious and continued hand outs (we don’t talk about the Shinbeggers).

Don’t worry briztoon , I am not even close to finishing on this.

Suffice to say, I would not, and never would want your intentionally incendiary idea to take root.

But I know you do for Bigfooty’s sake.

so… For movie buffs! “Let the blo0d run free”.

Not sure what the point of your post is.

Maybe you missed where I stand on father sons and academies.

I’m firmly in the “get rid of everything” camp.

And that includes free agency compensation.

Have a completely unadulterated draft.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Most of you guys & girls follow someone in the NBA, from what I can gather, of the 30 teams in the two divisions the top 16 make the playoffs, the 14 that don't, go into a draft lottery. Now since there is only 2 rounds in the draft, that's 60 players that can get picked up, however you can trade picks and even trade picks for money?

But no father/sons, no academies, so whoever gets the number 1 draft pick, gets the best young player, end of story. My question is does anyone think this system is better/worse or just not fair to be used for AFL football?

I've got a feeling there are going to be a few changes in either 2024/25 for our draft system, it will be modified and that will include academies and also trading, now whether we go down the route of trading money for picks is another matter, but I think a lot of things
will be tossed around between all the clubs and see what we're comfortable with, that's fair. What do you think Davo-27?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Don't know, Swann didn't name them all.

You have a father son thread on your own board with a link to a recent Geelong Advertiser article about the 20+ kids from the next 4 drafts who are training with you over summer.

The geelong addy pump anyone up geelong related (even if they are barely BFL standard) for clicks id pay no attention there. Most of the 16yo sons dont look draftable (like your baxter mensch types in previous years that we were never going to take) and the ones younger than 16 its too early to tell. I dont see any obvious gold diamond players in there.

 

[r_boy]

I'm a draft nuffy but I reckon 2024 looks a fair bit weaker than 2023.

 

[Tivva29]

I'm a draft nuffy but I reckon 2024 looks a fair bit weaker than 2023.

Nup no way. 2023 was an incredibly weak year especially for Vic Metro, many CTL teams In Melbourne were full of bottom age kids as the top agers were so weak. VM will be very strong this year

 

[pupstar]

Nup no way. 2023 was an incredibly weak year especially for Vic Metro, many CTL teams In Melbourne were full of bottom age kids as the top agers were so weak. VM will be very strong this year

Way to early to call it a weak draft.

 

[Tivva29]

Way too early to call it a weak draft.

I didn’t call it a weak draft, the club recruiters did by taking bugger all players

 

[pupstar]

I didn’t call it a weak draft, the club recruiters did by taking bugger all players

Regardless still way too early to call. So what are your thoughts then on it

 

[GC2015]

Are Port Adelaide going to get two Burgoynes in this draft class? Both Rome (Peter) and Ky (Shaun) are draft eligible this year, no?

 

[Jen2310]

Are Port Adelaide going to get two Burgoynes in this draft class? Both Rome (Peter) and Ky (Shaun) are draft eligible this year, no?

you can add in hawthorn for Shaun's son. He'll have to decide.

 

[GC2015]

you can add in hawthorn for Shaun's son. He'll have to decide.

Eligible but I would have thought living in Adelaide, Shaun currently working for Port and first cousin Jase currently playing for Port as well as another first cousin Rome looking like he's also about to join Port would just about guarantee Ky Burgoyne will end up choosing F/S for Port and not Hawthorn (assuming he's good enough to be drafted).

Don't forget, Ky would be a third generation player for Port Adelaide after his grandfather Peter Burgoyne Sr debuted for the club nearly 50 years ago and his father/uncle were stars in the club's historic first AFL premiership 20 years ago. His grandfather on the other side of the family (Greg Phillips) was also a Port Adelaide legend and his aunty Erin Phillips was captaining Port's AFLW team last year.

Hawthorn can't offer that kind of family connection and we know the family connection means a lot to Port Adelaide people.

 

[Jen2310]

Eligible but I would have thought living in Adelaide, Shaun currently working for Port and first cousin Jase currently playing for Port as well as another first cousin Rome looking like he's also about to join Port would just about guarantee Ky Burgoyne will end up choosing F/S for Port and not Hawthorn (assuming he's good enough to be drafted).

Don't forget, Ky would be a third generation player for Port Adelaide after his grandfather Peter Burgoyne Sr debuted for the club nearly 50 years ago and his father/uncle were stars in the club's historic first AFL premiership 20 years ago. His grandfather on the other side of the family (Greg Phillips) was also a Port Adelaide legend and his aunty Erin Phillips was captaining Port's AFLW team last year.

Hawthorn can't offer that kind of family connection and we know the family connection means a lot to Port Adelaide people.

Yeah, if he is good enough; he may opt for PA for those reasons you mentioned. But if he wanted to venture outside Adelaide and try something on his own, he could opt for Hawthorn. The option is there at least.

 

[GC2015]

Yeah, if he is good enough; he may opt for PA for those reasons you mentioned. But if he wanted to venture outside Adelaide and try something on his own, he could opt for Hawthorn. The option is there at least.

That's true. Wait and see what Ky wants to do but if he cares at all about family connections then I think it's fairly obvious which club he's going to pick. Also, Hawthorn has come under fire for the way they've treated their indigenous players in the past so that's potentially another deterrant for Ky since he is indigenous himself.

Side note, I wonder if there's any kind of plan for Ky or Rome Burgoyne to play for Port's SANFL team this year. We know Crows' top F/S prospect Tyler Welsh has been given permission to play for their SANFL team so shouldn't Ky and/or Rome be given the same opportunity?

 

[Tivva29]

Regardless still way too early to call. So what are your thoughts then on it

From purely a VM/CTL view, it was an incredibly weak year for top agers compared to past years and this permeated through school footy as well. There just wasn’t the talent there like previous years and the kids that were highly touted weren’t that good compared to the bottom age kids coming through.

 

[Davo-27]

so i thought i would start my thread for 2024 based on u16's championships, state rep games and u18's leagues and who i think has the ability to perform at the state rep levels and potentially AFL level, i will name a top 90 who i am keen to see more of next year and im sure i will find another dozen or so next year in the early rounds or through-out the year.


Updated Ranking
1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
5. Tyler Welsh - WWT 191cm(Adle FS) - shortish KPF, great work rate and speed for a KPF, movement is fantastic and a good goal kicker
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
8. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel 182cm - dominant quality mid at u16s, was solid this year at the u18s and was MVP in the sanfl u18s this year
9. Nash King - Calder 181cm - tough quality midfielder, was ok at u16s but his CTL form and VM form this year confirmed his highish rating going into 2024
10. Joe Harrison - Syd A 187cm - only seen a small sample, but he looks quality, had a big game for NSW
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
13. Caleb Nancarrow - GCS A/Oak 191cm - another shortish KPP, but has hops in his legs, hangs in the air like M.Jordan lol very athletic
14. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo/NSW 192cm - another shortish KPP, good contested mark, very impressive for Bendigo/NSW
15. Christian Moraes - Eastern 182cm (Haw NGA) - was decent at the u16s champs, but his year this year was top knotch for VM and during the finals
16. Harry O'Farrell - Calder 196cm - a KPD that has improved and caught my eye in a couple of rep games, also has the height to possibly go high in the draft
17. Jonty Faull - GWV 194cm - a KPF who improved dramatically this year and again could rise in rankings based on late season form
18. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
19. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth 198cm - a ruck who was very good in most aspects for WA at the u16s, in a strong WA Team and looking good in the wafl colts after a growth spurt
20. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel 174cm (Port NGA) - very similar player to Ky Pickett, had a fantastic 2022, but not so great 2023, hoping he can find his form and confidence
21. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
22. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
23. Jayden Nguyen - Calder 177cm (Ess NGA) - speedy clever winger who can accumulate, was good at the u16s and this year had a few big games
24. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh 186cm - really impressed with calmness and quality for VM this year, could be a first rounder if he keeps fit
25. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
26. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
27. Kade Herbert - WWT 183cm - had a good u18s series which i think increased his value, some have him higher, but i have him here for now
28. Otis Harvey - Swan Dist 182cm - one of the better WA players, good mid and continued form in 2023
29. Isaac Kako - Calder 175cm (Ess NGA) - quality small forward, good on a lead and crumbing goals, not sure on defensive game?
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland 182cm - good midfielder from Gipps, good u16s form and a good year in the CTL this year
32. Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo 185cm - has been a bit up and down this year, had a run for VC at the u18s
33. Xavier Ivisic - Geelong 180cm - quality winger form the u16s and has looked good at times in the u18s this season
34. Bo Allan - Peel 188cm - solid 3rd tall def, one of WA's best performing players as an underager
35. Murphy Reid - Sand 181cm - had a few quality moments in the u18s champs and was a solid contributor for sandy this year
36. Ned Atkinson - Sturt 180cm - tough midfielder, puts his body on the line, quality player in the u16s champs winning team
37. Jacob Newton - Norwood 175cm - another quality player in the u16s champs winning team, quality mid
38. Ricky Mentha - NT/Gippsland 179cm - ive only seen a small sample, but he looked good for Gippsland and im curious how he does at rep level
39. Louie Montgomery - Nth Adel 183cm (Port FS) - running halfback who can go forward and kick long goals, decent in mid as well
40. Cooper Hynes - Dand 188cm - mid - tough mid with good disposal, has a bit of run in the legs but could improve in that area

i will just name the next 50

41. Jack Whitlock - Murr 199cm - kpf/ruck
42. Flynn Penry - GWV 200cm - ruck
43. Tom Evans - Bendigo 180cm - mid
44. Deian Roberts - Peel 185cm - mid
45. Rhys Unwin - GWV 177cm - sml forw
46. Harvey Langford - Dand 188cm - mid
47. Luke Trainor - Sand 193cm - KPD
48. Lucas McInerney - North 180cm - hbf
49. Chayse Martinson - Swan Dist 180cm - mid
50. Charlie Hewitt - Bris A 198cm - ruck/KPP
51. Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tas 177cm - mid
52. Hugh Boxshall - Clare 187cm - def
53. Josaia Delana - GWS A 174cm - mid/sml forw
54. Jack Ough - GWV 191cm - def
55. Malakai Champion - Subi 170cm - sml forw
56. Oliver Warburton - Murr 184cm - mid
57. Thomas Legudi - Calder 177cm - hbf
58. Tadgh McCarthy - Oak 191cm - def
59. Zai Millane - GCS A 188cm - def (nephew of coll millane)
60. Austin Van Der Struyf - Clare 179cm - hbf/wing


Lucca Grego - Western 183cm
Koopa Walsh - Subi 193cm
Lucas Ravenhill - Clare 199cm
Trent Hiscock - Wst Perth 190cm
Noah Mraz - Dand 197cm
Tom Luck - WWT 195cm
Josh Murphy - GWS A 190cm
Joel Cochran - Syd A 194cm (have not seen enough to rate, but did look good in the u17s futures)
Clay Shadforth - NT/Sth Adel 180cm
Rome Burgoyne - WWT 186cm
Charlie Richardson - Sand 190cm
Oliver Withers - GWS A 183cm
Liam Farrar - Northern 188cm
Harrison Oliver - Sand 181cm
Noah Yze - Sand 189cm
Wil Thomas - Sturt 178cm
Harry Jones - Swan Dist 181cm
Anthony Hansen - Swan Dist 172cm
Waylon Davey-Motlop - NT 184cm
Max Stobie - Gipps 181cm
Charlie Nicholls - Central Dist 196cm
Tom Gillet - Bris A 199cm
Taj Hotton - Sand 180cm
Oliver Hannaford - GWV 180cm
Will McCarthy - Murr 188cm
Harry Dodd - WWT 183cm
Tom Tasker - Nth Adel 190cm
Zach Travers - Sand
Angus Morrison - Geel
Sam Fanning -
Charlie West -
Jaxon Douglas - Clare 187cm

Just some thoughts about next years crop and where i have them ranked atm

Sid Draper - im unsure if he goes as high as i have him here, i noticed his kicking was a bit off and sometimes flat, this could see him slide out of the top 5, although his accumulation will keep him high and his work rate is good, but i have a few small doubts on if he goes top 2

Josh Smillie - love his height and how he plays, but probably needs to average more disposals and get more run in his legs to maintain a top 5 spot

Tyler Welsh - his 191cm height is awkward, if he gets to 193cm that would be enough to be confident in him being a quality kpp, he has the game for it, just needs that bump in height or length of arms to be confident at the next level, if he stays at 191cm might slide to pick 10?

Lombard - could end up top 3-4, he is top quality and potentially elite, i have him at 7 atm, but if he continues 2023 form where he proved at every jump in difficulty that he was up to the task and then some, he could easily go top handful

Nancarrow - another one that has a great kpp set of skills but is 191cm, if he stays at 191cm could slide out of 1st round? great hops and gets good air time

Shananhan, O'Farrell, Gerryn and Faull - look like they could be the top KPP(Tyler Welsh and Nancarrow, Joel Cochcrane?) in this draft pool having the height and games to rise to the top of the draft rankings, wait and see, Shanahan is 192cm but has fantastic contested marking

Penry - has played well in the ruck, could be the top ruck prospect with Gerryn?

Retschko and Johnson - these 2 are classy players could go anywhere from 10-40?

Camporeale brothers should go late 1st round, unless 1 pops off in draft year

Moraes, Nguyen and Kako - easily inside the top 40, maybe even top 30 for all 3, so no NGA possibility as it is now

Montgomery - should go in the 2nd round somewhere for Port, good run on the outside and goal kicking potential from half back/wing

 

[Haggas]

you can add in hawthorn for Shaun's son. He'll have to decide.

I don't think he will get drafted but if he does I think he will choose us solely because he will want to play with his cousins.

 

[Obeanie1]

AFL can cancel father/son, NGA and Academies in 2024 or 2025 and be done with it. Put a 5 year freeze for all categories and see what happens in the open draft.

We'll end up with Levi Ashcroft playing for North Melbourne, a Hodge playing for Fremantle or say a Logan Daniher (Essendon father son) playing for West Coast etc.

Depends on the kid.

Number of eligible kids get overlooked by interstate clubs as they don't pass the 'go home factor sniff test.

Chances are father sons heavily linked to Vic clubs would be overlooked for safer options of similar quality.