Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning

[Pugsley]

He had already checked out as soon as we called his name.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Our idiot recruiters didn't do him any favours by taking him at pick 6 and inviting all the extra scrutiny and even if he was good enough, sounds like he would have been a flight risk. Nice work Hamish.

He was taken where he was rated and we took the best big man available. Everythings easy on hindsight. Every bit of available evidence suggests this result would have occurred with any club. If it was a Crows problem, he would have requested a trade.

 

[FR0GGY]

This just needs to be filed under never mention again.

 

[Freomaniac]

Our idiot recruiters didn't do him any favours by taking him at pick 6 and inviting all the extra scrutiny and even if he was good enough, sounds like he would have been a flight risk. Nice work Hamish.

to be fair, Pick 6 is historically a cursed pick though. A far bit of duds or average players or injury prone players have been picked at pick 6.

 

[SugarShane]

to be fair, Pick 6 is historically a cursed pick though. A far bit of duds or average players or injury prone players have been picked at pick 6.

Interesting stuff, just looked it up, fewest average games of any of the top 20 picks.

But then of course our dud pick was one of the duddest even in a group of duds. 2nd least amount of games from a pick 6 since 2000. Only Hawthorn's Mitch Thorp played fewer (2).

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

probably is wearing his failure a bit too proudly, if it were me I'd be off hiding somewhere far away from afl footy.

but the club has a long history of using the sanfl as a blunt instrument to unsuccessfully develop players of his type, so wouldn't be too quick to solely blame the player either.

 

[MRB37]

probably is wearing his failure a bit too proudly, if it were me I'd be off hiding somewhere far away from afl footy.

but the club has a long history of using the sanfl as a blunt instrument to unsuccessfully develop players of his type, so wouldn't be too quick to solely blame the player either.

He said he enjoyed playing, even SANFL. It's kind of like PE class in primary school. Kid doesn't want to run the two laps of the oval cause that's boring, but wants to play the soccer game after that.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

to be fair, Pick 6 is historically a cursed pick though. A far bit of duds or average players or injury prone players have been picked at pick 6.

Curses don't actually exist so that isn't any sort of defense.

 

[MarcusP2]

He said he enjoyed playing, even SANFL. It's kind of like PE class in primary school. Kid doesn't want to run the two laps of the oval cause that's boring, but wants to play the soccer game after that.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was only doing footy because he was good at it. Once it becomes a full time job it wasn't worth it to him.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Good reading going back to the start of this thread where the posters commenting on his terrible draft night body language were getting ridiculed.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Good reading going back to the start of this thread where the posters commenting on his terrible draft night body language were getting ridiculed.

That's Brent Reilly's fault. He lulled us into a false sense of security.

 

[Houston]

Good reading going back to the start of this thread where the posters commenting on his terrible draft night body language were getting ridiculed.

He looked like we shot his dog. Not to mention his ecstatic family.

 

[bonehilda]

He looked like we shot his dog. Not to mention his ecstatic family.

It seriously makes you wonder how our pre-draft interviews with him were conducted and if-

• he thought he wasn’t allowed to intimate that he only wanted to be drafted by a Vic club
• he foolishly believed only a Vic club would draft him, so he just told us what we wanted to hear and we took it at face value

OR

• his demeanour was as awkward and sour as it was when his name was called out on draft night, and we just fully ignored it

Knowing us, the latter certainly wouldn’t surprise me. But we’ll never know the truth. I’m sure this failed pick eats away at us supporters far more than it does the actual recruiting team LOL. Just an unbelievably shocking lack of due diligence on the club’s part.

 

[cmndstab]

Curses don't actually exist so that isn't any sort of defense.

Obviously there is no such thing as a "cursed" pick, but the sample size is now large enough to be significant. For whatever reason pick 6 seems to lead to comparatively poor results. Perhaps that's around the point in the draft where the elite talent is gone, and clubs start picking for needs? Or the point at which you take a risk on a raw but talented player who looks like they have elite traits, or whatever?

Mind you, it's hard to argue that pick 7 should be any different.

 

[bonehilda]

Obviously there is no such thing as a "cursed" pick, but the sample size is now large enough to be significant. For whatever reason pick 6 seems to lead to comparatively poor results. Perhaps that's around the point in the draft where the elite talent is gone, and clubs start picking for needs? Or the point at which you take a risk on a raw but talented player who looks like they have elite traits, or whatever?

Mind you, it's hard to argue that pick 7 should be any different.

Comparing average games played, it’s really quite bizarre

 

[Soggy2112]

I wouldn't be surprised if he was only doing footy because he was good at it. Once it becomes a full time job it wasn't worth it to him.

I reckon there’d be more players like this then we think.

The assumption is often that everyone who plays footy would want to play AFL if they were only good enough.

So talented kids just end up doing it because they’re good enough and they probably think they have to.

I wonder how many of them actually stop and seriously think if it’s what they want until they’re actually in the system experiencing what it’s like?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Obviously there is no such thing as a "cursed" pick, but the sample size is now large enough to be significant. For whatever reason pick 6 seems to lead to comparatively poor results. Perhaps that's around the point in the draft where the elite talent is gone, and clubs start picking for needs? Or the point at which you take a risk on a raw but talented player who looks like they have elite traits, or whatever?

Mind you, it's hard to argue that pick 7 should be any different.

It's a weird anomaly. I'm just not keen on the argument that we should be okay with it because a bunch of other recruiters also blew pick 6. Maybe that wasn't Freo's point though and he just mentioned it as a fun fact.

 

[Disco Fox]

I reckon there’d be more players like this then we think.

The assumption is often that everyone who plays footy would want to play AFL if they were only good enough.

So talented kids just end up doing it because they’re good enough and they probably think they have to.

I wonder how many of them actually stop and seriously think if it’s what they want until they’re actually in the system experiencing what it’s like?

Spot on. It's like the kid who does well in Yr 12 & goes to Uni with no idea why exactly they're there, as they don't yet have any idea what career interests them, & subsequently drop out. Kinnear Beatson supported this today when he opined, after years in AFL recruitment, that 18 is too young to be drafted & quoted the NBA as a preferred example.

 

[cmndstab]

It's a weird anomaly. I'm just not keen on the argument that we should be okay with it because a bunch of other recruiters also blew pick 6. Maybe that wasn't Freo's point though and he just mentioned it as a fun fact.

Yes, definitely it's no excuse - but we should be looking at the ethos we are approaching pick 6 with compared to, say, pick 4.

In any event, as others have pointed out, even if you were to accept pick 6 was cursed there was no excuse for getting as little out of it as we did with McAsey.

 

[Freomaniac]

Interesting stuff, just looked it up, fewest average games of any of the top 20 picks.

But then of course our dud pick was one of the duddest even in a group of duds. 2nd least amount of games from a pick 6 since 2000. Only Hawthorn's Mitch Thorp played fewer (2).

Yeah its a strange stat... But Just a few off the top of my head.

1997 draft, dockers chose James Walker. Not great. But he played 150 games from 1998-2008.

2001 draft, west coast chose Ashley Sampi. 97 goals from 78 games. Played 66 games from 2002-05, then 12 games in 2006. then 0 games in 2007 and 2008. Had a close relative pass away in late 2006, he wasnyt the same mentally after that.

2003 draft, essendon chose kepler Bradley, not exactly a great player. ended up at the dockers at the end of 2007.

2010 draft, Tigers chose Reece conca. Played 100 games for richmond from 2011-18. played 46 games for freo from 2019-21.

2012 draft, Port Chose chad wingard. Kicked 232 goals from 147 games for port from 2012-8. Goes to hawks at the end of 2018. 71 games and 68 goals for the hawks. I dont recall him getting injured at Port. He has had multiple injuries at the hawks,

2013 draft, Collingwood chose Matty Scharenberg from glenelg. 41 games from 2014-20.

Curses don't actually exist so that isn't any sort of defense.

well.... That pick 6 has stood out. been many bad players chosen or taken. either good teenagers that turned out bad or average players or talented guys that are injury prone.

 

[spenze]

He looked like we shot his dog. Not to mention his ecstatic family.

I dunno, I watched a movie where a guys dog got shot...

If only Fish showed that sort of intensity in games

 

[Mostyn]

Yeah its a strange stat... But Just a few off the top of my head.

1997 draft, dockers chose James Walker. Not great. But he played 150 games from 1998-2008.

2001 draft, west coast chose Ashley Sampi. 97 goals from 78 games. Played 66 games from 2002-05, then 12 games in 2006. then 0 games in 2007 and 2008. Had a close relative pass away in late 2006, he wasnyt the same mentally after that.

2003 draft, essendon chose kepler Bradley, not exactly a great player. ended up at the dockers at the end of 2007.

2010 draft, Tigers chose Reece conca. Played 100 games for richmond from 2011-18. played 46 games for freo from 2019-21.

2012 draft, Port Chose chad wingard. Kicked 232 goals from 147 games for port from 2012-8. Goes to hawks at the end of 2018. 71 games and 68 goals for the hawks. I dont recall him getting injured at Port. He has had multiple injuries at the hawks,

2013 draft, Collingwood chose Matty Scharenberg from glenelg. 41 games from 2014-20.


well.... That pick 6 has stood out. been many bad players chosen or taken. either good teenagers that turned out bad or average players or talented guys that are injury prone.

The pick isn't cursed, but there's obviously something tricky with picking in that spot. Maybe recruiters try and be a bit too smart about it?

 

[MarcusP2]

Spot on. It's like the kid who does well in Yr 12 & goes to Uni with no idea why exactly they're there, as they don't yet have any idea what career interests them, & subsequently drop out. Kinnear Beatson supported this today when he opined, after years in AFL recruitment, that 18 is too young to be drafted & quoted the NBA as a preferred example.

'oh you're so smart, you should be a doctor!'
'but I hate blood and talking to people...'
'It would be shame to waste your talents!'

 

[SmegHead]

'oh you're so smart, you should be a doctor!'
'but I hate blood and talking to people...'
'It would be shame to waste your talents!'

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"Just because you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you gotta do pr0n"