Have we raised the white flag when it comes to Port Power?

[NTRabbit]

I also like the 19th man. It's still a little cheesy, but it will grow on everyone eventually, especially if the soccer fans amongst us can help the crowd find a few new chants, maybe overthrow the cheersquad and seize their territory EIN CHEERSQVAD, EIN TEAM. I certainly like that copy of something American more than I like our copy of an American logo.

 

[AFC979810]

Sorry, but I'd rather go to an RSL, or a memorial and learn about the wars and their living conditions rather than selfishly go to a football game for my own entertainment..

What self righteous tripe.

 

[AFC979810]

I'm incensed at how Port have, on the one hand gone out of their way to become the friends of the ANZACS, yet on the other, in their desperation to reap commercial benefit from the day, have ruined the day for the very people they purport to honour.

The Adelaide tradition of the march followed by SANFL football at AO which the diggers can attend has been hijacked by Ports insistence on gaining an ANZAC day AFL game.

I don't care if only 10,000 go to the SANFL game. A significant number of diggers go as part of THEIR day. But it's not THEIR day in 2015, it's Port's day. Oh sure they will get their 50,000 and they will "honour" the ANZACS, great for Port - shite for the Diggers. There can be no greater example of the commercial hijacking of ANZAC day than this.

Did the diggers get free entry to the SANFL game? What was specifically done for them on that day?

 

[Red mist]

To simply answer the question you posed at the heading of the thread. NO.
Mike you posted a week or so ago how you were feeling really good about all the changes and that I was the first time in a few years that you were able to see some upside in the way the club was going. I hope that still remains the same. It was a good post.
Hopefully the club sticks by its new mantras. Not accepting mediocrity, having elite habits and a team first mentality.
I'm not into sticking your head over the neighbours fence all the time and comparing things but it's obvious PAFC have been more successful in the key areas of on field performance, admin, and match day activities.
Time will tell if AFC steps up to the plate and re engages it's supporter base with improvement in all of those areas. I really hope they do.

 

[FR0GGY]

Just look at this season. It was no coincidence that Port got the first two home games (including the first showdown).

no we played sydney in the 2nd game at AO this year.

 

[radiojake]

"invaded"

Ah, I guess I forgot the part where the Turks/Ottomans invited the ANZACs to join them on shores of Gallipoli

 

[PowerForGood]

For balance and information only, I've read that it was Veterans SA that approached both AFL clubs for assistance with war veterans projects, and only one was interested. Would be happier it's shown that both were interested. Cheers.

(NB fwiw, if Adelaide get the onfield right and the rest will look far better, its not doom and gloom like some might suggest. Bring on 2015.)

 

[Mike Smyth]

Ah, I guess I forgot the part where the Turks/Ottomans invited the ANZACs to join them on shores of Gallipoli

So the big nasty western countries Australia and Britain were the aggressors and the Turks were just innocent bystanders. There's about 1 million dead Armenians who may beg to differ.

 

[footy4ever]

To simply answer the question you posed at the heading of the thread. NO.
Mike you posted a week or so ago how you were feeling really good about all the changes and that I was the first time in a few years that you were able to see some upside in the way the club was going. I hope that still remains the same. It was a good post.
Hopefully the club sticks by its new mantras. Not accepting mediocrity, having elite habits and a team first mentality.
I'm not into sticking your head over the neighbours fence all the time and comparing things but it's obvious PAFC have been more successful in the key areas of on field performance, admin, and match day activities.
Time will tell if AFC steps up to the plate and re engages it's supporter base with improvement in all of those areas. I really hope they do.

I've only been to one Port AO game, but that was clearly enough to expose the myth that Port game-day entertainment is so much better than the Crows. The match day activity at the Port game was outstandingly the worst pre-match entertainment of any that I've seen - groups of people did a partial lap of the oval carrying flags of different countries. wow wee!! It was like a primary school sports-day stroll-by, amateurish and boring, and yet Crows are supposed to be getting blown away in the game day entertainment stakes.

What a crock of s**t!

 

[Macca19]

I hate it when people say a stronger Port is good for the AFC and football in this state. BS a stronger Port does nothing for us.

Because Adelaide were kicking so many goals when Port were s**t. 1 finals series in 4 years, lowest ever and constantly falling crowds, dwindling corporate support, financial losses, widespread disdain for your executive, sacked coach.

A stronger rival breaks complacency and forces you to be better. And I dont think there is any doubt the AFC were increasingly complacent through 08-13.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Because Adelaide were kicking so many goals when Port were s**t. 1 finals series in 4 years, lowest ever and constantly falling crowds, dwindling corporate support, financial losses, widespread disdain for your executive, sacked coach.

A stronger rival breaks complacency and forces you to be better. And I dont think there is any doubt the AFC were increasingly complacent through 08-13.

Hard to argue with this. Fair call. In a perfect world it should be irrelevant as to what the other team is doing given its a national competition and not an SA Comp. But given our obsession with each other, probably naive thinking on my part.

 

[Archie87]

For balance and information only, I've read on the Port Adelaide Board that it was Veterans SA that approached both AFL clubs for assistance with war veterans projects, and only one was interested. Would be happier it's shown that both were interested. Cheers.

(NB fwiw, if Adelaide get the onfield right and the rest will look far better, its not doom and gloom like some might suggest. Bring on 2015.)

EFA.

I've read that thread and it's hardly an objective source of information so I call BS, or it's at least exaggerated in order to make Port look better and us look bad.

Even if the AFC did turn down a request from Veterans SA, given we haven't had a home game on ANZAC Round in 10-odd years or something, how would we actually get involved in an ANZAC Day/weekend project for an AFL game in South Australia when we're constistenly playing away? Even if we're playing in Victoria, it's the home team that organises those events. Surely we're not supposed to promote activities leading up to and during a Port Adelaide home game here? Pretty sure Port Adelaide wouldn't want us doing that either.

 

[Tex200]

Ah, I guess I forgot the part where the Turks/Ottomans invited the ANZACs to join them on shores of Gallipoli

Really ?
Seriously mate you're making a fool of yourself ... Again.

If you insist on bringing politics to this board, go away and read some history.

Silly boy

 

[Tex200]

So the big nasty western countries Australia and Britain were the aggressors and the Turks were just innocent bystanders. There's about 1 million dead Armenians who may beg to differ.

Oh dear don't bring facts into this - will confuse the poor boy

 

[dav3]

Thank you, I cant be the only 1! Its sort of original! (PRETTY SURE LIVERPOOL DOESNT DO IT)
Its pretty cool, and i liked it much more when it was really loud.... As the season went on it got quieter!

Pretty sure Footscray/Western Bulldogs had a dog barking after they got a goal a few years back

 

[aneale]

It's not original. It's a product of what I reckon is the same marketing company that about 6 teams use. From roaring lions to screaming eagles.

 

[Niximus]

I don't mind the Crow after a goal, and it certainly isn't 'embarrassing'.

It would be pretty annoying for the opposition, I'd imagine. Especially when we get a run on and they just keep hearing it over and over.

 

[johnnypanther]

People forget that Port almost folded and the tragedy it would be for football if/when they do. They don't have a reliable supporter base and require serious help in appealing to non port people to remain viable.

Lots of manufactured draws and positive press for a few years yet. Anzac day games might be what it takes to install a culture that appeals to more than what they tried to survive on.

At the same time we have took numerous hits from the AFL administration that makes no sense and has effected our ability on and off the field. People forget they we've always been taken for granted by the VFL.They can't take Port for granted with how close Port came to folding.

Why would it be a tragedy?

Plenty of viable alternative options.

 

[Crow54]

I can only imagine how good it must feel! I wouldn't be seen at home for days, weeks even.

It was amazing! Even my son, who wasn't really into footy, felt compelled to grab his mates and head into the city. The euphoria and outpouring of joy was something he'll probably remember forever.

 

[little graham]

Why would it be a tragedy?

Plenty of viable alternative options.

Think about all we went threw in or foundation years, think about the concessions that would need to be given to a new entity, think about how the Victorians would winge. Think about all the port trolls who created hell for us before they got in, with their bullshit about we're not a real club and they'll do a better a job in the AFL

SA footy would lose 20 years of work, we've lost enough as it is.

 

[MarcusP2]

So the big nasty western countries Australia and Britain were the aggressors and the Turks were just innocent bystanders. There's about 1 million dead Armenians who may beg to differ.

As if the Armenian Genocide had anything to do with the objectives of the Gallipoli action.

 

[AFC979810]

Hang on.

Are the Crows the Armenians or the Turks? I am getting lost.

 

[ADL9798]

It's been said a couple of times in this thread, but the best marketing strategy is undoubtedly winning games of football. Everything looks good when your team is at the top of the AFL cycle, they're up and about and the crowd is genuinely enthusiastic about going to the footy, and no marketing gimmick can replicate that. All of these strategies to provide a better game day experience for the supporters are great, but they mean nothing if the crowd aren't genuinely excited about watching their team play. It's easy to tell when enthusiasm is artificial!

Port's tradition of singing Never Tear Us Apart before every game would have been universally ridiculed had they introduced it when they had 20,000 people scattered among the tarps around AAMI watching their team get battered every week for 6 years. It works because they're playing good footy and winning games, which in turn brings bigger crowds and generates the sort of atmosphere to make that concept an entertaining spectacle that everyone wants to get involved in.

Similiarly, with our record of consistently filling our home ground the 19th man and generating that intimidation factor from the stands is a great concept, it worked fantastically when we were up near the top of the ladder a few years ago and the stats showed that it had a significant impact on the set shot accuracy of opposing teams coming to AAMI. However, it's difficult to get supporters and the wider footballing community on board with it or any marketing concept for that matter when the team is so inconsistent. Get rid of the nervous tension in the stands that comes with that inconsistency by winning games of football and the crowd will organically take the 19th man to another level without any external influence.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Personal opinion here is NO football should be played on ANZAC day, I find it sickening when footy players payed 100,000 dollars are compared to the brave souls who gave their lives for this country.

 

[Tex200]

Personal opinion here is NO football should be played on ANZAC day, I find it sickening when footy players payed 100,000 dollars are compared to the brave souls who gave their lives for this country.

This is what galls me - its media driven with all their battlefield analogies. Shameless commercialisation and shows nothing but disrespect