Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Chief]

The absolute ignorance.

Page after page of responses, parroting political slogans. Not an original thought amongst them.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I am glad that the Voice support is crashing and burning, despite the increased investment the Government is currently ramping up with spending across all social media platforms everywhere.

All for Indigenous recognition in the Constitution, but the Voice is a ludicrous concept which would, if implemented, clearly be used by the left as a fourth arm of Government and an attempted constitutionally enshrined left wing check to executive and Parliamentary power.

Anyone who opposes left wing ideologies including communism, socialism and other corrosive concepts should vote no.

 

[Chief]

Just back out of the room, don't make eye contact.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Incredibly sad that this country continues to show itself as the most racist nation on Earth.
I know it's not a nice thing to say but it's true this country will be a better place once a few boomers die off.

That is a terrible terrible thing to say, I hope you see yourself out.

 

[Roby]

So I never called you insane. Roby do yourself a favour and add me to your ignore list. I’m not going to buy into your games

You're actually playing games. You called me a name and now you're playing a game of semantics. It's ok for you to call me sick but for example if allude to the R word about anyone you go and cry foul.

I think you can't hack it. You couldn't hack me slinging mud at Dutton. I see right through it.

Let's be perfectly clear; I don't think you're here to further discussion about the referendum. I've made other posts which have no name calling, (most of my posts are) but you've never responded to those. The disingenuous nature of your posting is very clear and I'll keep disagreeing with it if I see fit.

 

[Roby]

A day after it was revealed that there were mass unmarked graves of Aboriginal children at missions, to get offended by words directed at a rich, privileged politician seems like choosing the wrong thing to get angry about.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Don't know about "on Earth."

But there is a nasty little layer of it here.

As there is everywhere on the planet, unfortunately.

 

[aj1992]

The absolute ignorance.

Page after page of responses, parroting political slogans. Not an original thought amongst them.

It's worked on the Australian voters though

 

[nut]

I think what Australia lost in May 2019 at that election was a lot more significant than what it gained in May 2022. Imagine how different this country would be had Labor been elected on that platform, and Morrison not been PM when covid-19 started. But I don't want to drag the thread off topic. I wonder when this referendum would have been held - maybe earlier. I wonder who would have been the Liberal opposition leader today - maybe still Dutton.

I actually believe if labor won in 2019 they would have lost in the 2022….
I’m hoping 3 years of Morrison and now Dutton as opposition will see them never winning again.

 

[Gough]

Don't know about "on Earth."

But there is a nasty little layer of it here.

And it goes to the top.

‘It’s like they’re impervious’: fury at let-off for Queensland police staff in racist recordings

Exclusive: Lack of punishment follows repeated promises by police commissioner Katarina Carroll to crack down on racism and misogyny within service

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gough]

Just another right wing chancer.

 

[the_interloper]

I saw one of them a few days ago driving from the country in his 4x4, with a self made banner on the back windshield which said:

"If you don't know what it is about

Throw it out"

And then on the right in another stickied piece of paper:

"No"

I've seen plenty of Yes posters in front yards in my area, no No ones, and I'm sure there are No voters here.

I was at a friend's place on the weekend who had a Yes poster on the lawn. Her dad is a No voter, they've had a few blues over it apparently. Anyway she borrowed the pole to put the poster on from the old man, didn't tell him what it was for but it was a silent * you to him ha ha

 

[QuietB]

From The Saturday Paper daily Post - pretty much sums up why the Liberals are opposed to The Voice;

The federal government spent more than $100m on an abandoned plan to build a nuclear waste dump near Kimba in SA.

In response to a question from Liberal Senator Gerard Rennick, Resources Minister Madeleine King on Monday revealed the Commonwealth spent $108.6m on the National Radioactive Waste Management Facility between July 2014 and August 2023 (ABC).

The plan was abandoned after the Federal Court ruled in favour of Barngarla Traditional Owners who were not properly consulted by the former Coalition government about the decision to choose the site.

Federal Court Justice Natalie Charlesworthfound there had been apprehended bias in the decision-making process under then-resources minister Keith Pitt.

Charlesworth found that Pitt could be seen to have had a “foreclosed mind” on the issue “simply because his statements strongly conveyed the impression that his mind was made up”.

Just another $108m pissed against the wall by the Libs trying to bypass democracy

 

[Skeppersap]

I've seen plenty of Yes posters in front yards in my area, no No ones, and I'm sure there are No voters here.

I was at a friend's place on the weekend who had a Yes poster on the lawn. Her dad is a No voter, they've had a few blues over it apparently. Anyway she borrowed the pole to put the poster on from the old man, didn't tell him what it was for but it was a silent * you to him ha ha

Virtue signalling. Yes voters need to tell everyone how virtuous they really are, and how everyone else should think.

Take this thread for example.

 

[Blue Arrow]

About the only interest now is if it can get above 32%, Labors awful primary vote last election.
Hopeless campaigners, Three House Albo and the Liars can't win two in a row by not telling us what they are actually going to do after they win.

 

[MP_]

From The Saturday Paper daily Post - pretty much sums up why the Liberals are opposed to The Voice;

The federal government spent more than $100m on an abandoned plan to build a nuclear waste dump near Kimba in SA.

In response to a question from Liberal Senator Gerard Rennick, Resources Minister Madeleine King on Monday revealed the Commonwealth spent $108.6m on the National Radioactive Waste Management Facility between July 2014 and August 2023 (ABC).

The plan was abandoned after the Federal Court ruled in favour of Barngarla Traditional Owners who were not properly consulted by the former Coalition government about the decision to choose the site.

Federal Court Justice Natalie Charlesworthfound there had been apprehended bias in the decision-making process under then-resources minister Keith Pitt.

Charlesworth found that Pitt could be seen to have had a “foreclosed mind” on the issue “simply because his statements strongly conveyed the impression that his mind was made up”.

Just another $108m pissed against the wall by the Libs trying to bypass democracy

It was my friends land where this dump was being put and yes they are pushing the no vote very hard on Facebook . I’ve removed myself from Facebook as I feel I’m going to ruin friendships over this vote as i don’t think a lot of no voters are thinking clearly but are voting reactionary.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The voice is about listening. If you read the Uluru statement from the heart, you will see what they have asked for, and what you suggest here is not it. They do not want 1. without 2.

They will not support Dutton's proposed 2nd referendum if only 1. is on the table.

You're right. Happy to stand corrected

Uluru statement from the heart

View The Statement - Uluru Statement from the Heart

We, gathered at the 2017 National Constitutional Convention, coming from all points of the southern sky, make this statement from the heart:

Our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander tribes were the first sovereign Nations of the Australian continent and its adjacent islands, and possessed it under our own laws and customs. This our ancestors did, according to the reckoning of our culture, from the Creation, according to the common law from ‘time immemorial’, and according to science more than 60,000 years ago.

This sovereignty is spiritual notion: the ancestral tie between the land, or ‘mother nature’, and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors. This link is the basis of the ownership of the soil, or better, of sovereignty. It has never been ceded or extinguished, and co-exists with the sovereignty of the Crown.

How could it be otherwise? That peoples possessed a land for sixty millennia and this sacred link disappears from world history in merely the last two hundred years?

With substantive constitutional change and structural reform, we believe this ancient sovereignty can shine through as a fuller expression of Australia’s nationhood.

Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene numbers. They should be our hope for the future.

These dimensions of our crisis tell plainly the structural nature of our problem. This is the torment of our powerlessness.

We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.

We call for the establishment of a First Nations Voice enshrined in the Constitution.

Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda: the coming together after a struggle. It captures our aspirations for a fair and truthful relationship with the people of Australia and a better future for our children based on justice and self-determination.

We seek a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement-making between governments and First Nations and truth-telling about our history.

In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard. We leave base camp and start our trek across this vast country. We invite you to walk with us in a movement of the Australian people for a better future.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Most racist on earth? You don"t get out much do you?

You seem to keep turning a blind eye to the horrific racism that still takes place against many Aboriginal people in this country.

 

[eddiesmith]

I actually believe if labor won in 2019 they would have lost in the 2022….
I’m hoping 3 years of Morrison and now Dutton as opposition will see them never winning again.

So which is it, Dutton is so reprehensible that he will condemn the LNP to opposition for eternity? Or he is cutting through with the voters and they listen to him so much so that he is single-handedly responsible for the No vote getting up?

It’s an interesting claim the opposition are finished and irrelevant whilst being blamed for the majority not supporting the government in this referendum…

 

[Chief]

Virtue signalling. Yes voters need to tell everyone how virtuous they really are, and how everyone else should think.

Take this thread for example.

He said, posting his rant in this thread.

 

[QuietB]

Virtue signalling. Yes voters need to tell everyone how virtuous they really are, and how everyone else should think.

Take this thread for example.

Ignorance is bliss - If you Don't Know Vote No.

You people are fish in a barrel for the likes of Rupert and Gina and Dutton.

 

[The Passenger]

Hahaha so LNP voter's actually think what's happening here means they're a chance in 2025.

So cute.

 

[Sttew]

You seem to keep turning a blind eye to the horrific racism that still takes place against many Aboriginal people in this country.

Yes, it is horrific and a blight. But at the same time Australia is probably one of the most multi cultural countries on this planet. Since WWII almost 8M immigrants from over 100 countries have made Australia their home.

 

[QuietB]

Hahaha so LNP voter's actually think what's happening here means they're a chance in 2025.

So cute.

The fall out from this is going to be ugly

 

[eddiesmith]

Hahaha so LNP voter's actually think what's happening here means they're a chance in 2025.

So cute.

Nearly as cute as the attempts to claim the failure of the Yes campaign isn’t the fault of the man leading it…

You can’t have it both ways, either Albo failed or Dutton is a good leader getting through to the people?