Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Skeppersap]

10 reasons to vote YES (1-10: This piece of shite pamphlet I just received)

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I don't understand your take.... It is actually pretty much spot on if you take an unbiased look at what it is saying.

 

[Skeppersap]

My neighbour? You think I'm just up rocking to random houses and sneaking listening to their conversations?

No, no, I'm talking about my best friends, parents, relatives, work colleagues and so on. This is not my view, it's observed behaviour with no real shame. They're not apologetic for being racist, they see it as a intellectual virtue.

Based on your posts in this thread, it wouldn't surprise me.....

 

[killtaker1993]

I don't understand your take.... It is actually pretty much spot on if you take an unbiased look at what it is saying.

None of it is spot on, that's my unbiased take. I will never understand the 'No' take as much you will probably never understand mine. At least I have some free toilet paper, even my dirty arse doesn't deserve this hate mail

 

[JackOutback]

I don't understand your take.... It is actually pretty much spot on if you take an unbiased look at what it is saying.

It's only spot on if you're permanently afraid of everything and think Aboriginal people are out to take your things.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I did.

grrrrrrrrr, couldnt return my thoughts to her........

A quick twitter search will assist with that.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You're 'implication' that it means everyone must be individually racist is just wrong.

It is not my implication, I'm claiming that is the implication the wording 'racist country'

It disingenuous and it's particularly problematic because it tries to undermine the calling out of real racism in practice.

That is NOT my intention, I would hope you're not accusing me of such.

 

[QuietB]

I don't understand your take.... It is actually pretty much spot on if you take an unbiased look at what it is saying.

It actually says nothing

 

[freddy mercury]

Looking likely to be a no from majority of us Australians. No from me and the majority of my countries people.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Looking likely to be a no from majority of us Australians. No from me and the majority of my countries people.

I never picked you as a sheeple freddy.

I'm shocked.

 

[freddy mercury]

I find it astounding that this referendum is almost certain to go down in flames. Such a simple step, with no identifiable downside. But still, run a bit of fear, spread some false information, and you can defeat it. The world already views us as a bit of a racist backwater. We're not helping ourselves here.

Looks like more than 50% of us are racist, news to me

 

[freddy mercury]

I never picked you as a sheeple freddy.

I'm shocked.

Can't say I've heard of the term sheeple

 

[QuietB]

Looking likely to be a no from majority of us Australians. No from me and the majority of my countries people.

Sadly it does look like the cucks have it. Again sadly.

Very easily manipulated the typical Australian.

 

[MrKK]

And you know what, for all sorts of people who can't be bothered thinking about it, its easy to just vote no and nothing will change.
If you push for change you might have to actually think about what you're doing.

So no gets all the "lazy , cant be bothered" votes.

This is largely why referendum success rates are so low. Plus you add in compulsory voting increasing the number of votes from those who can't be bothered.

 

[freddy mercury]

Sadly it does look like the cucks have it. Again sadly.

Very easily manipulated the typical Australian.

Beauty of a democracy.

 

[Tiger Balme]

Can't say I've heard of the term sheeple

Sheeple -
people compared to sheep in being docile, foolish, or easily led.

He doesn't like your shepherd and would prefer if you were led by his.

 

[Roby]

Based on your posts in this thread, it wouldn't surprise me.....

Based on your posting I'd say racism isn't such a dirty word in your household.

 

[Roby]

If you’re so passionate about the voice, perhaps it’s a good time to reconsider who you spend time with?

I don't need to, I have already cut ties with many.

 

[Skeppersap]

Based on your posting I'd say racism isn't such a dirty word in your household.

People in my household understand what true racism actually is...... E.g. constitutional change which separates the population based on their skin colour. Horrific stuff!

 

[Roby]

On ignore you go.

Did you un-ignore me? Do you have no integrity?

 

[Roby]

People in my household understand what true racism actually is...... E.g. constitutional change which separates the population based on their skin colour. Horrific stuff!

Yeah, I already know that they say at your house. The skin colour topic comes up a lot

 

[Roby]

I don't need to, I have already cut ties with many.

Before Sttew laughed at my dismay of having to deal with racism in my life, now Skeppersap laughs at this. The kind of thing that bigoted and racist people like to laugh at.

 

[QuietB]

People in my household understand what true racism actually is...... E.g. constitutional change which separates the population based on their skin colour. Horrific stuff!

You or your decedents chose to come here for a better life. First Nations people have been here for 60,000+ years.

It is not about skin colour. It is about culture.

 

[Gralin]

It is not my implication, I'm claiming that is the implication the wording 'racist country'

Maybe if you stopped doing this

That is NOT my intention, I would hope you're not accusing me of such.

People would stop saying you're main aim is to diminish real racism being called out

You're copping the results of your own actions here.

 

[Skeppersap]

You or your decedents chose to come here for a better life. First Nations people have been here for 60,000+ years.

It is not about skin colour. It is about culture.

Incorrect..... 100% incorrect.

The referendum is about the establishment of an ATSI voice. ATSI refers to indigenous Australians. Indigenous Australians are defined by heritage and ancestry. Heritage and ancestry are linked with skin colour, not culture.

I could immerse myself in indigenous culture my whole life, and never be ATSI, because I am white. An indigenous Australian could ignore their culture, live in Potts Point and be a supporter of Pauline Hanson. They will forever be able to be involved in The Voice. I wont!

 

[Carringbush2010]

Maybe if you stopped doing this

People would stop saying you're main aim is to diminish real racism being called out

You're copping the results of your own actions here.

So basically shut up even though my intent is not what you and others paint it as. Even though clearly from the start I've stated that I believe the labeling the whole country as racist by 'racist country' - I've said that from the start.

If you and others honestly believe I'm here to undermine the calling out of casual racism / racism then that's on you and others who have an incorrect assumption of my thoughts.

I'm still voting yes btw, not that that will change your bitter view of me.

So I'll kindly ask again, please cease your discussion with me and quoting me in posts in an attempt to raise me.

If you don't then that's a reflection on you.

Have a nice day Grales.