The future of the ABC - Guthrie sacked

[Power Raid]

channel 10

less than 2,000 employees

http://images.tenplay.com.au/~/medi...iles/Results/2014/TNHL 2014 Annual Report.pdf

 

[Power Raid]

geez what is going on at the ABC with over 4,000?

will look for channel 7 later

 

[Gough]

Great doco on the Nats at the moment, filthy biased ABC.

 

[romeoh]

Trioli is still the main female host of the ABC Breakfast program. Her husband heads up the so called 'fact checking unit' at same said behemoth. Breast feeding and incestuous.

Just a small example. Its not just the evening programs that lean left. Their newspaper segment each morning is shocking.

Haha -lighten up-perfect assessment of Barnaby.
What has breastfeeding got to do with it? Is that a left wing plot or something?

 

[Admiral Byng]

geez what is going on at the ABC with over 4,000?

will look for channel 7 later

They make quality programming, well researched and with high production values. Why do you think the commercial channels produce so much reality TV crap, or make "information" programs that are thinly disguised advertisements and product-placement infomercials? Because they're the cheapest s**t to make. We (well me) don't want the ABC stooping to that level.

 

[clogged]

The ABC does not need as many channels as it has. It does not need the News24 station. It certainly does not need a breakfast show. It does not need to show reruns of shows that appeared on commercial TV.

The only free to air channel I watch is the ABC and I still believe it absorb a few cuts and still be as functional as it ever has been.

 

[katana]

The ABC does not need as many channels as it has. It does not need the News24 station. It certainly does not need a breakfast show. It does not need to show reruns of shows that appeared on commercial TV.

The only free to air channel I watch is the ABC and I still believe it absorb a few cuts and still be as functional as it ever has been.

does tv even need to exist in the first place?

 

[flaps]

fingers crossed for you.

would you consider taking a redundancy or prefer to stay within the organisation? this is uncertain times for sure.

For me personally, I'm a casual. So what it means is that I'll get less shifts, and when I'm actually there, I'll have more to do and less resources from here on. I'm in Local Radio, so here in Hobart it's looking like there's going to be job cuts here too and I guess that's across the board. It's really a time of the unknown and because my career is only starting out (I'm graduating this year), I'm lost as to whether I stay on or look for full time work at another organisation - be it commercial or whatnot. I'd much rather stay, but if there's no work to be had, I don't know if there's much choice.

I've applied for more permanent work (within ABC but interstate), so I guess we'll have to see what happens. Doubtful there's going to be many positions to go for though.

 

[flaps]

Unsure if this has been posted, but i thought it was actually a really well said speech. The hide of Abbott and Pyne (who ironically is trying to save SA's cuts) to just turn their back and have their own little conversation is really infuriating and frustrating. There's a certain level of arrogance there that I just can't stand. Very little remorse either to say that the ABC shouldn't cut 7.30, Lateline etc, when it's not the ABC's position to be wanting to make the cuts...

 

[Old Spice]

The ABC does not need as many channels as it has. It does not need the News24 station. It certainly does not need a breakfast show. It does not need to show reruns of shows that appeared on commercial TV.

The only free to air channel I watch is the ABC and I still believe it absorb a few cuts and still be as functional as it ever has been.

Rupert Murdoch is shitting his pants, more than usual, about the popularity of iView and SBS free movies in the context of other challengers to Fox/pay TV. Abbott is fulfilling the role of the hatchet man and lickspittle in the usual good grace.

 

[clogged]

does tv even need to exist in the first place?

Probably doesn't, but if it does, ABC needs to exist but not at the expansive position it currently holds. It can be cut and relatively little can be lost.

Rupert Murdoch is shitting his pants, more than usual, about the popularity of iView and SBS free movies in the context of other challengers to Fox/pay TV. Abbott is fulfilling the role of the hatchet man and lickspittle in the usual good grace.

ABC poses minimal threat to Murdoch, aside from their news presence on the web, which funnels traffic away from Herald Sun, the Australian etc. But both those are part dying media anyway which are kept alive by Murdoch's money in Foxtel. ABC is of no threat to Foxtel.

The only reason Murdoch might be shitting his pants is that advertising money is rapidly departing old media in all its forms for more effective media like Google and Facebook.

 

[Old Spice]

ABC poses minimal threat to Murdoch, aside from their news presence on the web, which funnels traffic away from Herald Sun, the Australian etc. But both those are part dying media anyway which are kept alive by Murdoch's money in Foxtel. ABC is of no threat to Foxtel.

The only reason Murdoch might be shitting his pants is that advertising money is rapidly departing old media in all its forms for more effective media like Google and Facebook.

News Ltd as an international organisation don't view their threats as a conglomerate entity. They view the threats to their market share (including advertising) on a national basis. In that context, FTA TV, nationally paid TV (ABC/SBS) and threats like Netflix come into view. Of particular concern is the ABC/SBS because they provide a quality counterweight to pay TV content.

 

[flaps]

FWIW I think Abbott did the wrong thing by saying there would be no cuts to the ABC. He referred to Hockey's earlier comments but failed to mention that the ABC might be subject to efficiency cuts. Ultimately we elect politicians to govern on our behalf. Sometimes circumstances change so that they can't deliver what they promised. We have to judge them in the next election including how they delivered on their past promises.

I do think the ABC needs to make efficiency cuts. Any large organisation does from time to time. Especially in the public service where the deadwood has been allowed to fester for some time.

Out of interest, where do you get the idea that there is actually deadwood? What examples do you mean?

 

[Chief]

geez what is going on at the ABC with over 4,000?

will look for channel 7 later

TV
Radio
Online (including the best catch up service in the country)
Regional
Overseas

And on and on.

Commercial TV online offerings are anemic to say the least.

Taxpayers like the ABC. We're happy to pay for it.

Why else would Abbott pull out the 'no cuts' rubbish?

Because a lie served his interests on the spot. He knows people don't want these cuts.

 

[Power Raid]

Looks like seven group including Westrac Australia and Westrac China has 5,700 employees

 

[Power Raid]

TV
Radio
Online (including the best catch up service in the country)
Regional
Overseas

And on and on.

Commercial TV online offerings are anemic to say the least.

Taxpayers like the ABC. We're happy to pay for it.

Why else would Abbott pull out the 'no cuts' rubbish?

Because a lie served his interests on the spot. He knows people don't want these cuts.

some people don't want these cuts, probably the same people that cheerleadered the gross overspending under labor and continues today under the libs. Unless of course they make cuts to get the budget under control.

unfortunately socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money. we have reached that point and we need to decide where to make the cuts.

ABC, PPL, etc are just obvious targets for pain free cuts.

 

[clogged]

News Ltd as an international organisation don't view their threats as a conglomerate entity. They view the threats to their market share (including advertising) on a national basis. In that context, FTA TV, nationally paid TV (ABC/SBS) and threats like Netflix come into view. Of particular concern is the ABC/SBS because they provide a quality counterweight to pay TV content.

Yeah, nah. ABC and SBS have existed for years. They are no greater threat to Murdoch than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Netflix is, yes. As are pirated downloads and other competition from the internet. But you need to take your focus off Murdoch. This has nothing to do with him.

The ABC is being cut because they are a government agency and all government agencies and departments are being cut. Debate it on those merits, not the conspiratorial "this is being done for Murdoch" crap. Because it doesn't stand to reason. No one who watches iView is a potential Foxtel subscriber forever lost to Murdoch.

 

[flaps]

For those that want a bit more insight to what it's like working at ABC and understand how many people are behind the scenes:

3:38 mins in



Or if you like just watch the whole thing

 

[Power Raid]

Unsure if this has been posted, but i thought it was actually a really well said speech. The hide of Abbott and Pyne (who ironically is trying to save SA's cuts) to just turn their back and have their own little conversation is really infuriating and frustrating. There's a certain level of arrogance there that I just can't stand. Very little remorse either to say that the ABC shouldn't cut 7.30, Lateline etc, when it's not the ABC's position to be wanting to make the cuts...

we can thank Julia and Kevin for getting us into this mess The reality is, at some point you have to pay off what you have spent.

Julia and Kevin should be sued for spending revenues of a mining tax that never worked. Everyone effected by these cuts should recognise exactly why we find ourselves in this mess and not the person fixing it.

That said, Abbott should have been clear on his abitions rather than motherhood statements of getting the budget in order as an excuse.

 

[Old Spice]

Yeah, nah. ABC and SBS have existed for years. They are no greater threat to Murdoch than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Netflix is, yes. As are pirated downloads and other competition from the internet. But you need to take your focus off Murdoch. This has nothing to do with him.

The ABC is being cut because they are a government agency and all government agencies and departments are being cut. Debate it on those merits, not the conspiratorial "this is being done for Murdoch" crap. Because it doesn't stand to reason. No one who watches iView is a potential Foxtel subscriber forever lost to Murdoch.

Have you read the Australian or Andrew Bolt recently? The attacks on the ABC have come thick and fast for almost a year now. I'll grant you that it is primarily ideological but it is a disgrace of the highest magnitude - scuppering the outlet most critical of this f*cking demagogue.

 

[flaps]

we can thank Julia and Kevin for getting us into this mess The reality is, at some point you have to pay off what you have spent.

Julia and Kevin should be sued for spending revenues of a mining tax that never worked. Everyone effected by these cuts should recognise exactly why we find ourselves in this mess and not the person fixing it.

That said, Abbott should have been clear on his abitions rather than motherhood statements of getting the budget in order as an excuse.

That's not really the point of my post.

 

[Power Raid]

They make quality programming, well researched and with high production values. Why do you think the commercial channels produce so much reality TV crap, or make "information" programs that are thinly disguised advertisements and product-placement infomercials? Because they're the cheapest s**t to make. We (well me) don't want the ABC stooping to that level.

I once agreed with this but the last 10 years has been all downhill for the ABC

 

[Old Spice]

we can thank Julia and Kevin for getting us into this mess The reality is, at some point you have to pay off what you have spent.

Julia and Kevin should be sued for spending revenues of a mining tax that never worked. Everyone effected by these cuts should recognise exactly why we find ourselves in this mess and not the person fixing it.

That said, Abbott should have been clear on his abitions rather than motherhood statements of getting the budget in order as an excuse.

Who got us into a GFC with their nutty derivatives? What is astounding is that Abbott and Hockey wanted to change financial investment laws to put their lunatic, rich, cowboy mates back in front of the steering wheel again.

Here's a pattern for you. The LNP don't invest in infrastructure and let their wealthy dickhead mates crash the car into the wall and Labor has to clean up their bratty mess.

 

[Old Spice]

I once agreed with this but the last 10 years has been all downhill for the ABC

I doubt that.

 

[clogged]

Have you read the Australian or Andrew Bolt recently?

Certainly not the latter.

But you should view their writings as the last outbursts of a dying medium, like the finals stages of a star as a mediocre red giant before it becomes a white dwarf. Same as Fairfax's descent into becoming Buzzfeed/HuffPo. They are turning their polemicism and hysteria to 11 so as to attract page views and clicks before they both finally flame out forever.