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To me an ugly is what the coaches are doing with petty. He's a backman then he starts playing forward, he gets injured, he returns and plays back. Then late in the game they decided hey let's try petty forward. I get in the game okay try something though it was too late but the fact our forwardline is still getting tinkered with at this stage of the season is quite concerning.
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Super frustrating loss. Had plenty of opportunities to put them away or build a comfy lead in the 3rd but wasted it. Great pressure and workrate died at the 3QT siren.
Frustrating tactically. Let them burn us out the back very easily all game. Some good signs from McVee, Riv, Salem and Viney but outweighed by the s**t.
Aside from Oliver and Bowey this is basically our best 22 we can put out. I feel we have the talent but wasting it with turgid, dumb play. Looks like a chore for the players to work through and for us to watch.
Frustrating tactically. Let them burn us out the back very easily all game. Some good signs from McVee, Riv, Salem and Viney but outweighed by the s**t.
Aside from Oliver and Bowey this is basically our best 22 we can put out. I feel we have the talent but wasting it with turgid, dumb play. Looks like a chore for the players to work through and for us to watch.
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Basically we’re now in a situation where if the opposition ramps up the pressure we are extremely vulnerable. Because we don’t seize scoreboard momentum when we have it and look ropey as * when the midfield get beaten and the ball hits the deck in the D50.
Basically it feels as though we aren’t a hell of a lot more evolved than we were in 2016-17: a good side who can roll anyone if things go right on the day but also an inconsistent team that is vulnerable tactically against most sides in the comp.
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Lot of sooking about forward entries, players being played out of position etc. and that falls on Goody and fair enough too he is head coach after all, but also the players are being soft little bitches. They should know as well as anyone what's working and what's not and be saying to Goody on the bench, whisper in his ear all quiet-like and say: "Psssst... Simon.... get fn hamburglar out of the middle and give Kozzie a run in there". Legend has it that Gawnie told Goodie at the granny to keep Dogga in the ruck, now what is he telling Simon? "Got any tips for Sandhurst Race 5? You tried the wagoo at the Torquey yet- I hear it goes down well with Reisling Blend 53!"
Don't give me this: "coaches are ruining this list!"... they're all campaigners, every last one of them can get ****ed.
Don't give me this: "coaches are ruining this list!"... they're all campaigners, every last one of them can get ****ed.
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But that's not an explanation. That's just a stat from a small sample size and without context.
What is BBB specifically going to do within our current setup that will help us? He doesn't have the strength or athleticism of JVR or Smith to contest when we bomb it high and long to a group. He doesn't have the agility or speed to apply any ground level pressure, despite our game plan clearly requiring an elite pressure level.
You can't just plonk Brown in there and hope for the best. He requires space to lead and for our mids and half forwards to hit him lace out in space. If our team can suddenly start doing those things he might actually be of value. Until then, putting Brown in our current setup is square peg, round hole type stuff.
Don't take me for a Smith fan either. I think he's a complete potato, with zero football smarts - but he has some athleticism to add pressure.
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It's pretty simple isn't it.
Modern footy is pressure. We're 7 points up against the Cats with a quarter to play then our pressure drops and we lose.
Brown plays, and we're down 7 points with a quarter to play because he does nothing to help us lock the ball in, which is literally our gameplan.
One passage of play last nite at Casey summed it up . Think it was Spargo out on a wing taking a free (or mark ) . The camera was right behind him . Brown on a lead with his defender behind him by a couple of metres .What does the kicker do ? Kicks it over his head to a 2 on 1 contest in the pocket and we lose the contest .
Its endemic through the squad . We won last night because the Cats were very inexperienced compared to Casey .
Its endemic through the squad . We won last night because the Cats were very inexperienced compared to Casey .
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Maybe tweak the game plan just a tad to accommodate a proven key tall who can kick goals and provide opportunities for crumbers? Might be a better strategy than trying (unsuccessfully) to lock the game down and pray your opponents’ forwards aren’t good enough to kick a winning score? That seems a high risk, negative minded, loser’s strategy to me.
If Ben Brown is fit enough to be named emergency he’s fit enough to play. We’re paying him plenty - let him do his job. End of.
Reminds me exactly how we ****ed Brad Millers development.
Showed so much promise as a leading CHF only to then attempt at turning him into a defender. From then on he kept moving him between back and forward and simply never settled into a position.
Was never the same player when he finished up his back end of career playing more up forward.
We're 3rd on the ladder with a very high percentage. This then also must be on Goodwin.
We're there abouts, but need to find our best lineup; so we can find a regular means of moving the ball forward that suits our forward-line setup.
I think Brown will be back in by mid July.
Imo JvR needs some shelter from a tall, when in packs. He has good hands and is mobile enough. But needs some tall support.
At a guess, it might be that some are having their jets cooled, to help them be motivated to get the call of duty.
TMc is as close to cooked imv, as anyone could get. But might yet be useful.
A lot of our premiership players are struggling for their best form.
Some are just playing safe footy. Have lost the sharp edge.
Langers, Gawn, Pickett, Fritsch, BBB, TMc, Harmes, Sparrow, Brayshaw,
Maybe Langers needs a rest with Casey, while Woewodin has a run.?
Maybe Brayshaw as well.
2 into 1 = 50%
50% scores for each entry, would be VG imv.
it might just help our smalls with 2 real tall forwards.
i watched most of the replay last night. With the ball forward, our smalls looked confused as to positioning around other players. Too often chandler ended up running onto his right foot, and Pickett ran onto his left foot. I think 3 small rover types is too many.
My likes forward. JvR, Smith, Pickett, Fritta... from here on, our mids spill into our forward positions Re talls and smalls. We lack at least one specialist forward.
Pickett is trying to multitask way too much as a tall.
Tinkered with because of injuries to TMc, and BBB. And the rise of the smalls.
We are caught between with young players, and senior players straggling with their bodies.
No doubt Goodwin will give Brown a run sooner or later .
The way I see it is we are too flippant at moving the ball on... when we posses the ball under pressure, we are all too willing just to flip off a handball without using our bodies to get in a better position, from where we can get a better handball off. The same with a trickling little kick forward, from within a pack.
This tends to end up within the hands of the opposition outriders.
We did this so often; and the ball just ends up in opponents hands inside our D50.
Simply this when JvR is in good position. And vica verca.
We can start to kick into our F50 from the centre-wing position, allowing our forwards to lead out high to around 40 to 60 Mtrs. Moving from boundary line entries restricts our forwards abilities too much.
This I think is born out of our desire to defend any ball, turned over around our f50Mtr arc.
We have to commit to a faster game style than we had in 2021.
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From my memory of it our defenders got sucked up the ground often in the last Qtr, exposing Maysie out with Rohan. This helped the Cats to win.
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I think they/we were experimenting with setups, rather than settled.
I think the plan has always revolved around BBB. + who else. But now we have to settle the tall structure, so we can organise our smalls to suit them.
Doesn't really matter if the team was settled or not, Petty had been forward since round 3, he got injured but that's where he was playing. Then they bring him back from injury and play him back. The thing is I thought our backline looked pretty settled with Tomlinson so there's that as well. Anyway I suppose we took a while to settle in 2021 as well.
