The ombudsman said all the way through the ALP acted in good faith.
Vic Why is the Andrews government refusing to co-operate with the police?
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"The state ombudsman has deemed the move was in breach of parliamentary guidelines, but added most participants thought they were acting in accordance with the law".
The ombudsman said that he ALP reasoned that they acted in good faith, not that the ombudsman believed they did. It was all she had to go on, because...
"lower house MPs declined to take part in the inquiry, and the Premier himself turned down a request to be interviewed by investigators about party practices and MPs' guidelines".
Because the lower house MPs refused to participate, as did Andrews, it means the matter is now being investigated by the police.
"Labor MP Adem Somyurek said he had concerns about the scheme, adding he approached then-opposition leader Andrews, but was referred to former treasurer John Lenders who designed the operation".
I suspect the police focus will be on Lenders, and if Andrews was aware of this, or was in any way complicit, then obviously he won't see out a second term. The investigation is ongoing, its really only in its infancy considering lower MP's and Andrew's have refused to cooperate. Hopefully jail time awaits all of those involved.
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The Andrews government went all the way to the High Court and spent $1 million to try and stop the investigation.
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it's amusing that this whole matter derives from leaks due to ALP infighting after Adem Somyurek was forced to resign for alleged bullying of his chief of staff, Dimity Paul.
He was suspended as a result of the complaint, with Premier Daniel Andrews taking on his portfolio in the interim.
Somyurek was forced to resign after a report into the workplace bullying allegations prepared by former Office of Police Integrity (OPi) boss and retired Justice Michael Strong, made adverse findings against him.
It detailed a number of incidents in which Mr Somyurek allegedly intimidated and abused Ms Paul, including an occasion in which he grabbed her arm to stop her leaving his office, took her chin in his hand and gently shook her head from side to side.
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Of course another pertinent questions is, why didn't Matthew Guy co-operate with the Victorian Police when he dinned with a known Mafia Capo and inform the Police that the Mafia was trying to infiltrate Victorian Politics by trying to bribe members of the Liberal Party with cash?
What is it with the name jack and political deflections?
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You have got one what?
Not much king of deflections and never admit the alp can do wrong.
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Same report also concluded the breaches weren't criminal.
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No it's being investigated by the Police because of the Liberal Party. The Police had already declined to investigate it and the Ombudsman's report gave no additional evidence for them to change their mind.
The Liberals didn't force the police to investigate. The fact is that Andrew's and lower MP's declined to cooperate with the Ombudsman at all. The ombudsman report concluded there were breaches, and the MP's believed they were acting in 'good faith'. So who is to be held accountable for the breaches? Well, obviously someone up higher than the lower MP's. Lenders perhaps.. Andrews? This is why we have a police investigation. If I go and steal 380,000 from a bank, then pay it back, and claim I was acting in "good faith". I am still going to jail, as will the person who orchestrated rorts-for-votes. A police investigation will ensure the person responsible is held accountable.
I don't think any of the current members of Parliament are involved directly. Indirectly maybe. That is why there's been no charges. The lack of direct evidence.
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As proven by the amount of plodders who ge nominated for t lib preselection , basically a division of the lobs just like the Feds
Well played mr Andrews
Well played mr Andrews
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Maybe time to sack the police commissioner
Talk about a misuse of taxpayer money; a million dollars spent attempting to hide labor rorts.
Given the Victorian police have the powers to arrest MPs who provide 'no comment' interviews so it should be interesting to see where this goes from here. Now, given where dealing with the same police force that that set up an operation to investigate Cardinal Pell before any complaints were ever made against him you have to realise they have already been got to.
Given the Victorian police have the powers to arrest MPs who provide 'no comment' interviews so it should be interesting to see where this goes from here. Now, given where dealing with the same police force that that set up an operation to investigate Cardinal Pell before any complaints were ever made against him you have to realise they have already been got to.
Money well spent imo. If he didn't attempt to stonewall the whole scandal might've come out before the election. Which would've sucked
There are so many inaccuracies in that individuals post it's hard to know where to start.
In any event, there was a landslide win to Labor at a time when the public was aware of the red shirts
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You don't really understand the Law, do you?
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Yeah the court case was over the question of whether the Upper House had the legal power to order an investigation as traditionally this power was reserved for the Lower House.
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... and we don't really have those rights at law.
Bill of rights guaranteeing the right to silence is an american thing. 5th amendment.
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... does he not have that right? Is that illegal, too?
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Anyone ever told you that you are as repetitive and as reliable as a Murdoch paper's page 3 girl?
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They misused $388,000 in taxpayer funds by paying electorate officers to carry out political campaigning in breach of parliamentary rules.
Then spent $1 million of taxpayer's money to try and prevent the investigation.
We still don't know if what the ALP did was illegal because all the MPs, including Premier Daniel Andrews, refused to cooperate with the Ombudsman's inquiry, they have refused to cooperate with the police, and the police investigation has allegedly been impaired by interference from senior figures in force command.
It goes back to my question in the thread title. Why is the Andrews government refusing to co-operate with the police? All we've seen is deflection.
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