Police and certifying documents

[Niximus]

My GF and I just bought our first home, we filled in the paperwork for the FHOG last night and had to get copies of our birth certificates certified before sending.

On the form it lists people who are able to certify the copies and it includes JP's and Police Officers. Ok, we thought, we'll head down the cop shop and ask them to certify our copies.

So we get there and present our forms and ask the lady behind the desk to please certify them. Cue massive roll of eyes and a hige sigh. "uuuhhhh, we're not supposed to.....but ok *sigh*".

I said to her "Well it says on our form (Our form that we got from the state government - your employer) that Police officers are someone to get to certify copies of your documents"

"So can JP's" was her response.

True, JP's can but it doesn't say anywhere that we should preference any one of the people listed.

I don't understand the attitude for something that took her <30 seconds to do and which is suggested on a government form.

 

[Dirtywhirl]

Similar thing happened when a friend of mine tried to get his birth certificate certified for a course transfer application. But instead of complaining the officer just flat out refused to certify it because apparently the station was too busy at the time. Bit of a poor excuse given that the certification process is a pretty short one and we had waited for 10 minutes.

 

[JHF1870]

HAHA reminds me of a stat dec I took to the police station, The guy made me wait while he strolled around the office. I didn't care I was in no rush, but he made me wait deliberately.

Solution, I go to a local post office, and the Manager can sign the thing for you.

 

[drew_j]

Cops are arseholes. A mates missus was driving two of us home one night and she got a flat tire. It was a new car and she had the spare but didn't have the tire iron in the boot. We'd just gone past a closing down booze bus, so I said I'd run up to the coppers and see if we could borrow one. I run up there and there are two obviously new coppers and an old one who was a complete prick who is on about why I was driving without a tire iron. My response was "it's not my car. Copper: "well then your girlfriends car then, that's not very smart is it?". Me: "She's not my girlfriend, all I need is a tire iron, I'll bring it back in 2 minutes, you don't have to do anything but get it out of your car." Copper: "well It's not our problem." Me: So, I got a car, broken down on a blind corner on Riversdale rd, all I need is to borrow a tire iron to get the bolts off and you won't help us?" Copper (in smart arse): well you should have had one with you. This prick was obviously trying to show off how important he was to the two new recruits, and he assumed I was drunk, which I wasn't, so I turned to the two young officers and said: "This is the reason people hate coppers. If you want respect for what you do, don't end up like this guy." Turned and walked off, waved down a car 100m from them, who gladly gave me a lift back to the car and offered us a tire iron. This is the first time I’ve dealt with cops more than blow into this bag and it dropped how I think of them from a certain respect to thinking of the force as a bunch of twats.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Get their full name & rank, then tell them you'll be filing an official complaint against them.

Grounds for complaint or not, that stays on their record. Watch the weasels scurry to assist you with whatever you need.


Cops are absolutely despised in most parts of the world (eastern europe & USA in particular), and here in Australia people are also starting to wake up to what sort of scum most coppers are.

 

[krusden]

I wouldve gone to a JP first off, but the people I work with are all JP's and they crack the sh*ts about certifying docs so ya can't win really.
Yr local councillors etc are often JP's and cause they want your vote they're guaranteed to be nice to you.
However, don't go running around expecting JP's to be any nicer than the Police in the story... they're often not.

 

[rdhopkins2]

There are good cops out there but unfortunately the ones we remember are the rotten eggs & bacon....hopefully the good cops get the crap ones in line!!
Cartman:- "Respect maaa authoritaaaaay"
I'd actually love to join the force and be a 'good cop'- unfortunately would fail the medical due to my ears.

 

[Niximus]

I'm not anti-police. In fact most of my experiences with them have been great.

I applied a while ago to join and got through the test and interview but failed with the psych as I didn't have the "leadership skills". That guy wasn't a cop though, the cops were great, the guy I had interview me was failry high up (I can't recall his rank exactly) and we had a good chat ending with him saying he'd love to have me working with him.

Even after I got knocked out they stayed in contact encouraging me to re-apply. The trouble with that though is that in the 12 months between when you get rejected and when you can reapply many more job opportunities present themselves and I got one that was a better offer.

Most cops are great, there probably is however a larger proportion of dicks relative to the general population as their selection criteria favours attributes that often go hand in hand with being a ********.

This lady last night though really had a problem. If she doesn't like having to certify documents then she should go to the Government and get them to take police off the form.

 

[krusden]

Generally with my work the JP's view the "certifying documents" as a part of their job, but not their actual job. Therefore they see it as a "necessary evil" but an evil nonetheless.

 

[Papa G]

Generally with my work the JP's view the "certifying documents" as a part of their job, but not their actual job. Therefore they see it as a "necessary evil" but an evil nonetheless.

What else do they actually do? I googled what a JP actually does and basically they are there to certify documents.

 

[drew_j]

What else do they actually do? I googled what a JP actually does and basically they are there to certify documents.

Um yeah. It's not like they are busy saving the world. What are they bitching about?

http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/justices/

 

[krusden]

What else do they actually do? I googled what a JP actually does and basically they are there to certify documents.

Generally JP's have other functions (for example cops, councillors etc) and are generally volunteers who are JP's as a requirement of their work ( to be a suitable primary witness for documents for example).
I guess they figure they volunteer their services when they want. I've seen em get quite terse with people who need documents certified if they're doing something else.
That's why I would personally check my local council out rather than a government department such as a police station as at least the Jp's have to be nice to you if they want your vote.

 

[Lets Beyblade]

What else do they actually do? I googled what a JP actually does and basically they are there to certify documents.

Haha they don't sit in a giant building with JP on the front, they don't even get paid to do it hence needed a proper job. My boss is a councellor and also a JP. Running a hardware store he is usually quite busy but always makes time for people needing shit signed.

As for that cop and tyre iron, that is a disgrace. No wonder people are pricks to the police.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Cops are arseholes. A mates missus was driving two of us home one night and she got a flat tire. It was a new car and she had the spare but didn't have the tire iron in the boot. We'd just gone past a closing down booze bus, so I said I'd run up to the coppers and see if we could borrow one. I run up there and there are two obviously new coppers and an old one who was a complete prick who is on about why I was driving without a tire iron. My response was "it's not my car. Copper: "well then your girlfriends car then, that's not very smart is it?". Me: "She's not my girlfriend, all I need is a tire iron, I'll bring it back in 2 minutes, you don't have to do anything but get it out of your car." Copper: "well It's not our problem." Me: So, I got a car, broken down on a blind corner on Riversdale rd, all I need is to borrow a tire iron to get the bolts off and you won't help us?" Copper (in smart arse): well you should have had one with you. This prick was obviously trying to show off how important he was to the two new recruits, and he assumed I was drunk, which I wasn't, so I turned to the two young officers and said: "This is the reason people hate coppers. If you want respect for what you do, don't end up like this guy." Turned and walked off, waved down a car 100m from them, who gladly gave me a lift back to the car and offered us a tire iron. This is the first time I’ve dealt with cops more than blow into this bag and it dropped how I think of them from a certain respect to thinking of the force as a bunch of twats.

Right so you brandish the whole police force as "twats" over one guy.

Good work champ.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

My GF and I just bought our first home, we filled in the paperwork for the FHOG last night and had to get copies of our birth certificates certified before sending.

On the form it lists people who are able to certify the copies and it includes JP's and Police Officers. Ok, we thought, we'll head down the cop shop and ask them to certify our copies.

So we get there and present our forms and ask the lady behind the desk to please certify them. Cue massive roll of eyes and a hige sigh. "uuuhhhh, we're not supposed to.....but ok *sigh*".

I said to her "Well it says on our form (Our form that we got from the state government - your employer) that Police officers are someone to get to certify copies of your documents"

"So can JP's" was her response.

True, JP's can but it doesn't say anywhere that we should preference any one of the people listed.

I don't understand the attitude for something that took her <30 seconds to do and which is suggested on a government form.

Just because it says they can certify the document doesnt mean they have to. Bit of a difference.

 

[Niximus]

Just because it says they can certify the document doesnt mean they have to. Bit of a difference.

It suggests it on a form issued by the state government. The state government are employers of the police. Why would they put them on there if they didn't intend people to follow the suggestion?

There is nobody on the list who 'has to' certify the form, even JP's are volunteers who could tell you to go and get stuffed if they wanted to. Regardless I never said she had to just questioned the attitude we copped for even asking. She could have refused but like the story with the tyre iron, she would have been a complete ******** if she had, it's not like we asked her for a kidney.

 

[bigpapagman]

lol @ your attitude.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

It suggests it on a form issued by the state government. The state government are employers of the police. Why would they put them on there if they didn't intend people to follow the suggestion?

There is nobody on the list who 'has to' certify the form, even JP's are volunteers who could tell you to go and get stuffed if they wanted to. Regardless I never said she had to just questioned the attitude we copped for even asking. She could have refused but like the story with the tyre iron, she would have been a complete ******** if she had, it's not like we asked her for a kidney.

Do you believe the story about the tyre iron, i personally don't. The guy was probably as drunk as 10 sailors and no wonder the copper didnt give him a tyre iron.

My point is that signing forms isnt high up on a cops to do list and if your so precious that a cop shows a bit of attitude then you need to harden up a bit FFS. She signed your form and your still whinging. You copped a bit of attitude, so what, get used to it. If your going to walk in there and act as if its your god-given right for some pencil pushing cop to sign your form then your going to be given something back. Obviously somewhere someone has todl the cop at the desk that they shouldnt sign these forms, maybe superiors or a certain rank of officer are the only ones who can, i dont know, but she signed your form and yet you felt so pissed that you run onto BF and post a thread about it. Big deal, the girl was probably busy.

Move on champ.

 

[bigpapagman]

did they sign your morning release form after you got locked up for stealing eskies?

 

[Niximus]

Do you believe the story about the tyre iron, i personally don't. The guy was probably as drunk as 10 sailors and no wonder the copper didnt give him a tyre iron.

My point is that signing forms isnt high up on a cops to do list and if your so precious that a cop shows a bit of attitude then you need to harden up a bit FFS. She signed your form and your still whinging. You copped a bit of attitude, so what, get used to it. If your going to walk in there and act as if its your god-given right for some pencil pushing cop to sign your form then your going to be given something back. Obviously somewhere someone has todl the cop at the desk that they shouldnt sign these forms, maybe superiors or a certain rank of officer are the only ones who can, i dont know,

No doubt, bit silly eh, mixed messages from the same place (the government)

but she signed your form and yet you felt so pissed that you run onto BF and post a thread about it. Big deal, the girl was probably busy.
Move on champ.

Are you so pissed about my post that you have made not one but 2 replies to it?

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

No doubt, bit silly eh, mixed messages from the same place (the government)



Are you so pissed about my post that you have made not one but 2 replies to it?

Yeah i am.

Harden up soft lad.

 

[Niximus]

Yeah i am.

Harden up soft lad.

Sure thing keyboard warrior.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

If they're anything like the local office, they are told not to unless specifically asked, as there is no $$$ in it for them, it's not part of their quotas so it's "dead time" - if they're busy they'll avoid it.

Legally they can't refuse though. I think.

 

[Power King]

Generally with my work the JP's view the "certifying documents" as a part of their job, but not their actual job. Therefore they see it as a "necessary evil" but an evil nonetheless.

Yep, watch them go from whingey bitch to helpful fake smiler in one second.

 

[Borgsta]

My local ones were more than happy to do it on the 3 times that I have asked.