Labor and Greens alliance, but Wilkie ...

[Ford Fairlane]

Labor and the Greens have struck a formal deal for government, but Wilkie has rejected Labor's initial bid ans is waiting to hear from the Coalition.

 

[Pessimistic]

1-1

best of 5....

 

[Caesar]

Wow. Got to say I'm surprised at the Greens selling out their carbon tax so easily.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Meanwhile Bob Katter has dismissed Ross Garnaut and Nicholas Stern as 'lightweights' so he should be a natural fit with this alliance.

 

[midorigreenwood]

bloody wilkie.... looks like an "easy" win to the coalition at this rate

74 would have been tempting to oakeshotte and perhaps windsor

 

[noddy]

bloody wilkie.... looks like an "easy" win to the coalition at this rate

74 would have been tempting to oakeshotte and perhaps windsor

Build him a shiny new hospital & he will come.

 

[The Exorcist]

bloody wilkie.... looks like an "easy" win to the coalition at this rate

74 would have been tempting to oakeshotte and perhaps windsor

Wilkie hasn't dismissed the ALP - sure, he isn't happy with the response but he does want further negotiations


He's also in a difficult position now with the ALP / Green alliance. He won his seat on Green preferences (his primary vote was way behind the ALP), and it's traditionally a Labor seat. He's also got strong connections with the Greens and at day's end, they're the best chance of getting the reforms through the Senate that he wants.


I reckon he'll end up going Labor, but he may go totally independent and risk getting nothing of what he wants done, done, he does some naive, ie. sends some demands and expects everyone to roll over?


And at day's end you'd imagine the 3 independents will go as a bloc, and go to the Coalition which means 76

 

[midorigreenwood]

I reckon he'll end up going Labor, but he may go totally independent and risk getting nothing of what he wants done, done, he does some naive, ie. sends some demands and expects everyone to roll over?

I reckon he will..... but too late imo..... Gillard would be in a much better bargaining position if she had a solid 74 rather than 73 and a wishy washy indie. The Greens know this and are playing ball.

Wilkie looks like breaking his promise of making a decision by today which doesn't leave much time for Gillard to coax the Three Wise Men.

but yeah..... coalition are in the box seat either way.

 

[Spermbird]

My understanding is that Wilkie is still waiting on the Coalition to get back to him but he is not happy with the response he got from the ALP.

Thats not to say that the Coalition have provided a better response.

 

[jo172]

I wonder if the Greens pledge not to block supply is an implicit sign they may block supply to an Abbott government?

I find the whole tenet bloody presumptuous tbh considering as yet there is no government.

 

[Caesar]

I would say it's just fancy rhetoric. The Greens know better than to block supply to any government.

 

[jo172]

I would say it's just fancy rhetoric. The Greens know better than to block supply to any government.

Surely the Democrats taught you not to underestimate the possible stupidity of a minor party operating under delusions of the grandeur?

 

[Caesar]

It doesn't even become an issue until one of the major parties decides to do so, for whom it would be electoral suicide.

Abbott has already guaranteed supply to a minority Labor government, I can't see the ALP doing anything but reciprocating. The Greens making threats would just have made them look as stupid as Fielding.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I reckon Wilkie's deliberately stalling, possibly waiting for 3 indies.
Then he can commit to the 'winning side'.

How is Oakshott going to bypass ALP-Greens if he says his biggest issue is climate change?? Still reckon the 3 indies will split.

 

[Caesar]

ALP/Greens haven't undertaken to do anything about climate change. The Greens have got it delegated to committee and you can be damn sure we're not going to see any legislation on the floor of the House before the next election. It would be political suicide for Gillard.

Who knows which way he'll jump but I can't see that putting any sort of obligation on Oakeshott, even if he did want a hardcore carbon tax.

 

[bombermick]

He'll side with Labor. He's merely trying to get a better deal. So 73-73 at this stage.

 

[finders]

He'll side with Labor. He's merely trying to get a better deal. So 73-73 at this stage.

He will never go with the LNP that destroyed his career

I still think it will be Labor 74 LNP + Inds 76 and back to the polls early next year as Abbott and his talentless ministers wont have the ability to control the game.

 

[Papa Juggs]

This document is a joke.

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/09/01/1225912/745814-greens-alp-deal.pdf

Section 5.1 (f) and the power it gives Bob Brown in particular is insane.

A senator that gets to make policy proposals because he's got one MP in the house of reps???

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[evo]

This document is a joke.

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/09/01/1225912/745814-greens-alp-deal.pdf

Section 5.1 (f) and the power it gives Bob Brown in particular is insane.

A senator that gets to make policy proposals because he's got one MP in the house of reps???

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, bloody hell. They have effectively become a faction of the ALP.

 

[DeanoT]

Yeah, bloody hell. They have effectively become a faction of the ALP.

Not sure how Bob can run the "big bad major parties" line at future elections. Surely he can only trash the Coalition from now on, meaning those looking for a genuine third party option will abandon them a la the Dems.

 

[The Exorcist]

Don't really know what the big surprise is about the Greens signing off with a major party - Gillard was always going to have to marriage the Greens with the Independents to get to Government.


If she didn't side with the Greens, then there's no way she'd form government.


What else was she going to do?


It's a double edged sword marrying the Independents with the Greens, but Gillard has no other option

 

[Caesar]

It's interesting to see that under section 5.1.f and g the Greens now have access to departmental modelling and Treasury costing for their own proposed policies, specifically including any or all of their platform at the recent election.

I'll be interested to see how much use they make of this if a Labor government eventuates.

 

[Caesar]

Don't really know what the big surprise is about the Greens signing off with a major party - Gillard was always going to have to marriage the Greens with the Independents to get to Government.


If she didn't side with the Greens, then there's no way she'd form government.


What else was she going to do?


It's a double edged sword marrying the Independents with the Greens, but Gillard has no other option

The surprise is how closely they've got into bed together. The Greens have done very well out of this, as long as their base doesn't mind them selling out the carbon tax by putting climate change back into committee hell.

You can see some of those requirements are going to be a major thorn in the side of a Gillard government. They've essentially given the Greens a say in everything, and a blanket pass to poke their nose into anything they like.

If they give anywhere near the same amount of discretion to the Independents, the business of government is going to be completely unworkable.

 

[Pessimistic]

Youd imagine Gillard is fairly confident of forming government to enter into something binding.

One theory is the independents dont want to be seen signing up with the greens at the same time, so that will come later.

could be completely hogwash too

 

[johnnypanther]

I wonder if the Greens pledge not to block supply is an implicit sign they may block supply to an Abbott government?

I find the whole tenet bloody presumptuous tbh considering as yet there is no government.

I cant see the Greens (nor any party) blocking supply.
(Although i must say that the born to rule mentality of a Tony Abbott led coalition could well entertain that option).