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jimmy35 said:
I think you're right.


Good luck to Jack over there, just because he couldn't get a game with us doesn't mean he's wont be a good player and he should do well at a lesser side.
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Excuse me Jimmy old son. But kindly SMB's or I will contact Kruzin and his Lulz crew will ruckus yo ass!!
 
Takahashi Tank said:
You obviously do not understand how a virus works.

Poor Pavelich.
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who:confused:

Kickett Punches Read said:
love the fact that if anthony was still at the pies he would be a good young kpp prospect, but now he has left and wants to come to freo he is an "egomaniac"

also find it rich that pies supporters talk as if he was the only player there with an ego...
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Of course... It's Collingwood.
 

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yakka man said:
I really hope we do get him; all though all the Collingwood supporters monitoring this board will disagree strongly, I think Anthony is possibly better than Dawes and maybe even Cloke. Both Cloke and Dawes are yet to kick 50 goals in an AFL season and Cloke is a year older than John Anthony and Dawes the same age. Cloke can't kick straight and both Cloke and Dawes failed to get 40 or more goals this year in the Premiership side. Anthony got 25 goals in his first season from 12 games.

Will be a good pickup if we pull it off and could come back to bite Collingwood.
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Next years forward line

Ballyntine Anthony Mayne
DeBoer Pavlich Johnson

Now there is a forward line with potential
 
Whether Anthony is better than cloke and dawes is not really the issue. The issue is the combination of Anthony with Pav, Johnson and Mayne. Pav is soooooo much better than Cloke or Dawes, all we need is for our forward structure to get settled and work together so that Pav can contest one on one, and he will beat any defender most times.

I like that forward line viking, to me that is as good as anyones, and good enough to win the flag. We were lacking forward structure towards the end of this year, mainly because the injuries caused instability up there, if we can get 3 talls, two of whom are mobile settled up front we will go a long way to causing headaches to most opposing coaches.

I like Johnson on a flank, it means the opposition effectively need 2 CHB's, and very mobile ones, and they would need at least 5 quality backmen to counter that forward structure.
 
With Anthony in, next year's side starts getting really hard to select. Could be something like:

Broughton Faulks Silvagni
Duffield McPharlin Mzungu
Hill Palmer McPhee
Sandilands Barlow Mundy
de Boer Pavlich Fyfe
Ballantyne Anthony Mayne
Morabito Suban Hayden Johnson

Articles of faith there with Faulks and Mzungu, but the players left out of that line up include those of the calibre of Ibbotson, Grover, Crowley, Roberton, van Berlo, Bradley, Walters and our 2010 pick 20. Even the next tier of Pearce, Crichton, Griffin, Clarke, Schammer (please no), Bollenhagen, Sibosado and Ruffles (if RL'd and fit again) look relatively strong. Massive competition for places.

People - we now have depth!
 
Mzungu would have to show something pre-season to push Roberton out, maybe Hayden is the one to go!, I think Walters should be considered too, Palmer will have to work his ass of pre-season to get in. Also I think we will play Griffin/Clarke most of the year, which probably resting ruckmen in the forward pocket pushing Mayne to a flank.

But as you say there is some depth there, I think a lot of players will be under the pump to show they deserve to be playing. Only a 8 or so would be guaranteed starters - 211, Pav, Elvis, Hill, Bito, Mundy, Barlow, Ballas, and maybe Duff (Broughton?)
 
Deep_Purple said:
I like Johnson on a flank, it means the opposition effectively need 2 CHB's, and very mobile ones, and they would need at least 5 quality backmen to counter that forward structure.
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I don't like that at all, we'd be too top heavy. Think about the modern game now - it's all about forward pressure. That's partly why we performed well for the bulk of the year - and why we need to ensure our forward line can put as much pressure on the opposition as possible. Johnson adds nothing to that.

Anthony, Pav and Johnson is one too many immobile talls. Our flankers need to be versatile and quick. Hopefully if we get Anthony it puts Johnson on notice - i.e keep your head down, keep your nose out of whatever shit it's been in and work hard to get a spot.
 

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Deep_Purple said:
Mzungu would have to show something pre-season to push Roberton out, maybe Hayden is the one to go!, I think Walters should be considered too, Palmer will have to work his ass of pre-season to get in. Also I think we will play Griffin/Clarke most of the year, which probably resting ruckmen in the forward pocket pushing Mayne to a flank.

But as you say there is some depth there, I think a lot of players will be under the pump to show they deserve to be playing. Only a 8 or so would be guaranteed starters - 211, Pav, Elvis, Hill, Bito, Mundy, Barlow, Ballas, and maybe Duff (Broughton?)
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definitely duff, broughton. set in stone for mine.
 
How can anybody predict that Faulks will be immediately best 22. I hope he is, but I wouldnt be expecting it straight away. And I can't see Ibbotson being pushed out of the 22, he had a strong finish to the season and is one of those players who could step up to that next level. Prefer him over the likes of Suban and Hayden at this stage.
 
The thing people are ignoring about Cloke & Dawes is they can both take a very strong contested mark. As much as I love Pav that's not really his go. Cloke drags them in from everywhere when he's on. All they have to do is get it in the general area. That's what we are lacking. Fyfe is the best natural mark I've seen for ages but he's not that tall and has a lot of growing to do. Anthony is strong on a lead, like Pav, not sure how good he is in a pack. Houghton is mostly lead up from what I can tell, Sibo dragged a few hangers down in the WAFL but some players can do that down back, like McPharlin. It's a different game up forward.
 
Leslie_Chow said:
How can anybody predict that Faulks will be immediately best 22. I hope he is, but I wouldnt be expecting it straight away. And I can't see Ibbotson being pushed out of the 22, he had a strong finish to the season and is one of those players who could step up to that next level. Prefer him over the likes of Suban and Hayden at this stage.
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We've all got our personal preferences. Ibbo frustrates me - great one day, caught like a rabbit in headlights the next. I feel like Suban has got more to offer once he reaches the same stage of development. Roger was in my top 5 two years ago, but I've been forced to conclude he's not an automatic selection now. Still makes my 22 though.

With Faulks we're all just looking at his highlights tape and seeing that he can stick tight on a man (VFL only at this stage) and spoil. With Taz gone, I'm hoping beyond hope Faulks ends up being some sort of replacement. There seems no-one else on our list that is a realistic hope of achieving this. That's the only reason I have Faulks in a draft 22 before PST starts!! Heaps to prove to us all.
 
Rob said:
I don't like that at all, we'd be too top heavy. Think about the modern game now - it's all about forward pressure. That's partly why we performed well for the bulk of the year - and why we need to ensure our forward line can put as much pressure on the opposition as possible. Johnson adds nothing to that.

Anthony, Pav and Johnson is one too many immobile talls. Our flankers need to be versatile and quick. Hopefully if we get Anthony it puts Johnson on notice - i.e keep your head down, keep your nose out of whatever shit it's been in and work hard to get a spot.
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We'll probably see Johnson subbed in/out quite often next season.

Eg - Sandilands rucks solo in the first quarter except for a 2 minute stint from Silvagni then Johnson gets subbed in 15 minutes into the 2nd term to play 5 x 5 minute stints in the ruck then the majority of the 2nd half in attack.

With Pav having the odd stint on-ball we could see Johnson, Anthony and Pavlich in the 22 selected primarily as forwards but only spend around 30-40 minutes total in the forward line together.
 
Leslie_Chow said:
How can anybody predict that Faulks will be immediately best 22. I hope he is, but I wouldnt be expecting it straight away.
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What works in his favour is that Grover has lost a yard of pace, Silvagni plays more of a third tall, and we play the Lions first up. So if Faulks goes okay in the NAB he's a great chance to be in the 22 round one.


Leslie_Chow said:
And I can't see Ibbotson being pushed out of the 22, he had a strong finish to the season and is one of those players who could step up to that next level. Prefer him over the likes of Suban and Hayden at this stage.
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Agree, fitness permitting Ibbo will play round one.
 

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dominguez said:
What works in his favour is that Grover has lost a yard of pace, Silvagni plays more of a third tall, and we play the Lions first up. So if Faulks goes okay in the NAB he's a great chance to be in the 22 round one.



Agree, fitness permitting Ibbo will play round one.
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Really??? All the games I've seen Grover play this year seemed like he hadn't lost any of his pace. Now he isn't gifted with extreme pace but I wouldn't say he has lost pace... yet.
 
yep people were saying grover was too old an slow before this season even started.
I kept saying nope from what ive seen grover looks quicker than i have seen him for a long time an he proved it throughout the season.

Yet once again simply coz hes "old" people are trying to say hes lost pace.

Im not saying his position is safe just saying he hasnt lost any pace an infact is quicker than hes been for many years
 
Rob said:
I don't like that at all, we'd be too top heavy. Think about the modern game now - it's all about forward pressure. .
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And yet we consistently play 3 or 4 tall backmen, never 2. If we only need to cover 2 tall forwards ... Why do we do that? The answer is that if you cover Cloke and Dawes, you've got no-one left for Brown.
 
dominguez said:
We'll probably see Johnson subbed in/out quite often next season.

Eg - Sandilands rucks solo in the first quarter except for a 2 minute stint from Silvagni then Johnson gets subbed in 15 minutes into the 2nd term to play 5 x 5 minute stints in the ruck then the majority of the 2nd half in attack.
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I actually think they will do it the other way. Start Johnson and have him ruck about 5 x 5min in the first 2.5 quarters. He has other spots that he is serviceable in (Forward or loose defender).
If there are no injuries, Johnson is dragged and replaced by a MID with Sandi rucking the rest of the game (small help from Silvagni if needed).

Benefits are:

  • Sandi will be running over the top of opposition rucks in the second half.
  • We lose a tall for a small when fatigue starts affecting our smalls.
  • Johnson is versatile enough that if we receive an injury to tall forward or defender we can cover.
 
2011 Grand Final Team

Mzungu Faulks Silvagni
Duffield McPharlin Ibbotson
Morabito Mundy Broughton
DeBoer Pavlich Fyfe
Mayne Anthony Ballantyne

Sandilands Crowley Barlow

Hill, Palmer, Johnson, McPhee

Hard Luck
Roger Hayden
Antoni Grover
Micheal Walters

Is whats going to happen
 
silverscope said:
Really??? All the games I've seen Grover play this year seemed like he hadn't lost any of his pace. Now he isn't gifted with extreme pace but I wouldn't say he has lost pace... yet.
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Sman-21 said:
yep people were saying grover was too old an slow before this season even started.
I kept saying nope from what ive seen grover looks quicker than i have seen him for a long time an he proved it throughout the season.

Yet once again simply coz hes "old" people are trying to say hes lost pace.

Im not saying his position is safe just saying he hasnt lost any pace an infact is quicker than hes been for many years
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I recall seeing an interview with Grover last year where he spoke about a change to his training programme to work on his pace again. With Taz down back and McPharlin covering the other gorilla he was no longer expected to be the 2nd tall in the backline. He had bulked up to fill that roleover a few years but no longer needed to and was shedding a few kilos and doing a lot of work on his speed.
 

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