Mega Thread The OFFICIAL 2011 Trade Targets MEGATHREAD

[kingcarey1]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

As mentioned. If Richmond or Melbourne want McIntosh... we must ask for an A-grader. Deledio or Trengove/combination of some young Melbourne talent (highly unlikely that they will give them up lightly - but both clubs need an excellent ruckman, and quality ruckman don't come cheap).

We should settle for nothing less than an elite player. There is no room in the modern game for two genuine ruckman.

 

[AGC]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

There is no room in the modern game for two genuine ruckman.

I don't buy this. There's "no ream in the modern game for two genuine ruckman" because most teams don't even have one decent ruckman, and if they do their second ruckman is a spud that waddles around the field and doesn't do very much.
Instead we advocate the need for "one ruckman and one versatile player" - and draw on the Collingwood example. Let's face it. Leigh Brown plays at Collingwood, not because he's versatile but because he's their second best ruck option.

Dean Cox and Nic Nat show that you can have two ruckman in a team, and this isn't necessarily land of the giants sort of stuff that i'm advocating. One fairly mobile bloke who's shown he can pick up a fair few possies and clunk the ball isn't going to make us an immobile team. Stretch defences with Hamish in the forward line, and with the speed of the game, it lightens the load of Goldy not having to run all over the shop to get to ruck contests.
he may not pull massive numbers, but if not-tired Goldy = better Goldy, I'd happily advocate it.

WE need to tinker with a formula and it's possible that it might not work for us.
I still think we shouldn't dismiss it that it definitely can't work. Premierships aren't won by conforming to conventional logic.

 

[RooHooDoo]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

How important was our forward pressure on the weekend?

You can wave goodbye to that playing McIntosh, Petrie, Edwards and Hansen/Pedo in the same forward line at the same time.

Comparing NN to McIntosh is also misleading as NN is applies a lot of pressure at ground level with his strength and speed. In fact it has probably been the best aspect of his game up to this point.

 

[MaddAdam]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

I wonder if Brad Crouch has his brother Peter's ability around goal.

 

[BlueandWhiteElf]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Why would you want to trade for players when our recruiting has been so good in the last 3 or 4 years?

Lets just draft the kids, it seems to be working.

This. I think it's premature to be trading too heavily. Let's wait until our list has developed, and then trade to cover deficiencies when we are ready for a tilt at the premiership.

 

[BlueandWhiteElf]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Wouldnt mind Ellis if we could get him swapping a player or 2 who is surplus to requirements.

Bugger trading high picks though. We need to keep drafting young talent, there is no better way to ensure success long term.

I dont want any player who wont be at or nearing their peak in 3+ years if we are losing picks to get him. Anyone 26+ is a waste of time IMO.

Agree. Our prescient drafting has put us in this position. Need to continue with it at the moment.

 

[LB2Snake]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

This. I think it's premature to be trading too heavily. Let's wait until our list has developed, and then trade to cover deficiencies when we are ready for a tilt at the premiership.

I think it would be remiss of the club to not at least attempt to get involved with the priority 17yr old draft that's available. This won't happen again, or at least in the short term (who would know though with that @#$% Dimwit changing the rules constantly), so we should make every effort to be pro-active. It just may snare us a gun to compliment our up and coming youth.
Nothing ventured nothing gained IMO.
I'm sure the club will inquire as to what's needed to get a top pick in said mini-draft.

 

[Tas]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

I watched about 15 minutes of the Port Magpies' Foxtel Cup semi final on Saturday and saw Butcher take a mark 30m out, very slight angle. He waddled in and kicked it like the hinges had come loose in his knee and ankle joints, spraying it waaaaaaaaaaaay wide. I was watching with interest, knowing his name had been raised here, and with that one kick, and kicking action, the air was duly bursting out of my enthusiasm balloon at double speed.

That vision, and the vision shown pre his draft where he took huge marks and kicked like a spud, are all I've seen of him.

lol yeah, that is my concern which was why I was a bit worried when he was constantly linked with us with our first draft pick in 2009.

I am worried that at AFL level he will develop a LT type stigma if he gets on a role of misses because with some added mental pressure his technique doesn't look sound enough to stand up to a barrage of mental anguish and if anyone is going to get the yips, it is someone with a dubious action.

I wouldn't want to be selling the farm to get him but if we were looking to move on some players and Port was interested in some of them then it could end up win/win, however, it is unlikely to happen.

 

[kingcarey1]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

I don't buy this. There's "no ream in the modern game for two genuine ruckman" because most teams don't even have one decent ruckman, and if they do their second ruckman is a spud that waddles around the field and doesn't do very much.
Instead we advocate the need for "one ruckman and one versatile player" - and draw on the Collingwood example. Let's face it. Leigh Brown plays at Collingwood, not because he's versatile but because he's their second best ruck option.

Dean Cox and Nic Nat show that you can have two ruckman in a team, and this isn't necessarily land of the giants sort of stuff that i'm advocating. One fairly mobile bloke who's shown he can pick up a fair few possies and clunk the ball isn't going to make us an immobile team. Stretch defences with Hamish in the forward line, and with the speed of the game, it lightens the load of Goldy not having to run all over the shop to get to ruck contests.
he may not pull massive numbers, but if not-tired Goldy = better Goldy, I'd happily advocate it.

WE need to tinker with a formula and it's possible that it might not work for us.
I still think we shouldn't dismiss it that it definitely can't work. Premierships aren't won by conforming to conventional logic.

What i did mean was two genuine tap ruckman. As good a player as McIntosh he is, we have no room in the forward line for a ruckman to just rest there.

Hansen/Pedersen, Petrie, Edwards.... add another tall and there is not much forward pressure/mobility. A highlight in the last quarter against the dogs was the ability to trap the ball in the forward half.

McIntosh is a star...but in his absence we have developed an outstanding ruckman, it could be an idea to trade to improve out first 18 by getting another star where we need it, and develop the younger big men.

 

[shintemaster]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Do not want Fevola anywhere near our kids. Plus would rather see Kennedy, Daw and Black get blooded.

I'd rather see Shane Harvey given a new contract.

 

[ozzyoslo]

From 2012 onwards..... We need to be aggressive from here on in.....if a player from another club has 3-4 playing yrs left in him and appears wanting to leave that club...our club now offers a better chance for that player to win a premiership medal. Most football pundits have us pencilled in 2013-2015 as a real threat to winning a premiership.Nth Melb has a real chance to exploit this new open/free trade rules that come into play from next year.

 

[Souup]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Jared Petrenko
Mitch Clark

Really doubt Petrenko would leave but i think he is exactly what we need re: a quick line breaking half back flanker with good decision making and skills, not harm in inquiring about him. Much improved player, im a huge fan. May be unsettled at Adelaide, but im only saying that for the fact that Adelaide are currently shithouse. He was drafted from Woodville West Torrens though, so i doubt he'd leave home to come to Melbourne, never know, like i said, no harm in inquiring. I think he'd be a perfect fit into a role as a half-back flanker, 22 years old at the end of this year, will be entering his prime as our team does. I see him as a more composed and cleaner Harbrow.

Mitch Clark is an obvious one that i think many clubs will be chasing. We would need to give up a fair bit.. which im not sure i'd be willing to do, but i think you'd be stupid not to have a look here. Key forward in the Petrie mould (obviously nowhere near as good, has potential though) who could hold down a key forward role for atleast 5 years. Will be 24 years of age at the end of this season, coming into his prime, which is a perfect fit for where our side is at. WA boy, so Freo and West Coast may be favourites to pick him up if he decides to leave. West Coast do currently have Naitanui (part-time), Darling, Kennedy and Q.Lynch who are holding down key forward roles, not sure where Clark would fit in there.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Worst two suggestions so far.

Petrenko is a turn over king, and I'd back our talls ahead of Mitch Clark. Not only that but he would be very pricey to get.

 

[liam_13]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Paul Duffield?

Not sure how highly he is viewed over in Dockerland, but I rate him. 26 years old, averages 17 possies, 4 tackles and is a good defender with good disposal by foot.

Of course I'm not aware of his contract status and if Freo would give him up/how much for, but is a decent player imo.

edit: Resigned in February this year according to footywire news article, and
"We are delighted to have Paul and Chris commit to the club because they are both young leaders and very important players," Fremantle general manager Brad Lloyd said.
http://www.footywire.com/club/sports/player-1472-biography.html

Oh well.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

McKernan fills the big key fwd need, and the Pinch hit ruck-role with the sub rule. Its all good having competent swingmen but it'll come to a point when you need a gun fwd to take control.

You couldn't get a better fit for needs at North. I hate the idea of two no. 1 rucks playing. Smack is the right age, good kick for goal and has history.

I reckon we'll be going hard to get him.

We've a shit load of key defenders maybe we're a chance to offload one? Problem is their currency is next to zero.

GWS won't be getting any of em uncontracted as they'll be saving that in their push for Basti.

 

[Firebat]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Who would McKernan dislodge from the 22 that played yesterday?

Pedo or Hansen it'd have to be... I'm quite happy with both of them in the side.

 

[Teffy]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

McKernan would be an excellent trade choice.

He would also put Hamish under the pump.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Dont need Mckernan. With the emergence of Taz, Pedo and Delaney I think we are sweet.

 

[Teffy]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Dont need Mckernan. With the emergence of Taz, Pedo and Delaney I think we are sweet.

None of them are realistic ruckman.

 

[naturally north]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

McKernan would be an excellent trade choice.

He would also put Hamish under the pump.

LOL you honestly don't think Goldsteins 586 hitouts haven't already hit McIntosh on the head with said pump?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

None of them are realistic ruckman.

We have Hamish and Goldy. Both of them are going to struggle to play in the same side as is. Mckernan would not replace Pedo, Hansen, Taz, Grima or Delaney IMO. And we have Black, Kennedy and Daw waiting in the wings. Would have to give up a resonable amount to get him too.

I'd only be looking for HBF's or outside mids.

 

[Teffy]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

We have Hamish and Goldy.

For now.

Then we have Daw, who is no certainty to make it and Mabon who is years away.

If Hamish decides to bail, then we are in big strife ruckman wise.

Both of them are going to struggle to play in the same side as is.

The sub rule is far from fixed in place.

Mckernan would not replace Pedo, Hansen, Taz, Grima or Delaney IMO.

Ridiculous comparison.

Grima, Delaney and Tarrant are all defenders, McKernan is not.

Lachie is also currently better suited down back.

You may as well have put Boomers name in that list.

And we have Black, Kennedy and Daw waiting in the wings.

I have covered Daw.

Black is yet to prove anything, Shaun has shown more than Black.

Kennedy will not be a KPF.

Would have to give up a resonable amount to get him too.

A "reasonable amount" as in a second round pick and a fringe player?

Shaun would be a safer bet than pick 20 in this years draft anyway.

I'd only be looking for HBF's or outside mids.

Trading for McKernan doesn't stop that happening.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Dont need Mckernan. With the emergence of Taz, Pedo and Delaney I think we are sweet.

We are light on for forwards.

Petrie and Pedo. Pedo compliments the fwd line, it isn't to be built around him. Black is an unknown and won't ever be a replacement for Petrie. The rest are fighting for spots in the back six.

McKernan puts an end to the two ruck argument. we either get him, or play Hmac. I'd rather get a 21 yr old McKernan who fills our two needs.

Edit: Teff summed it up brilliantly.

Fact is it may be different if Taz and Hansen were dominating up forward. But they are not. And if they were, neither would provide Goldie with a very decent back up option anyway.

I'm convinced we'll go for him, it's too good a fit not to.

 

[Daz]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Is there anything to suggest Mckernan would be available?

He would cost at least our 1st rounder. I wouldn't be against it.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Re: 2012 Trade Targets

Is there anything to suggest Mckernan would be available?

He would cost at least our 1st rounder. I wouldn't be against it.

1)He is out of contract at the end of the year.
2)He plays for Adelaide.