Krakouer wins mark of the year WTF???

[HARKER]

I'm sorry but there are only two words to describe this;

Criminal decision!

People are still watching Walker's mark with another 10K hits on Youtube in the last day, bringing it to 2.875Mil hits making it easily the most watched AFL clip of all time.
Krakouers is still sitting on 36K after 4 months.

BTW There is another extended version of Walkers mark that has a paltry 63K hits

 

[TNBT]

It wasn't the call against Walker that pissed me off but the half a dozen goals that they scored as a direct result of horrendous umpiring decisions. The Walker one was bad enough but those other ones were far, far worse.

You're very correct there. We were robbed all night by the umps. I guess for me though, to try and grasp the entirety of the total amount of ******ed/bribed calls made that night would possibly make my head explode.

 

[harmesy 37]

the panel should have to disclose who voted for which mark, i'm sure it would not have been unanimous

Luke Darcy disclosed pretty much which one he voted for last night. Grinning from ear to ear- he strongly hinted it wasn't Walker's one.

The time has come to give the award back to the people. Feel free to write into Adrian Anderson if you think it will assist.


I couldn't see someone such as Leigh Matthews making a decision like this. That guy is arguably the best football commentator now, and I doubt he would have opted for anything but sky-Walker's.

 

[maxmustard]

Hey guys sorry to but in but what a load of shite! Walkers was one of the best marks I have ever seen. By a mile better than nic nats and petterds, and I would have krakouers grab behind those two as well. Probably the best since Smiths mark at the Gabba. Been arguing the point to pies nuffs on the main board to no avail.

 

[GordonBlue]

I would have thought a detailed, reasoned argument outlining why one mark is better than another is more noteworthy in contributing to the debate than your irrelevant playing the man response. Detail a constructive response on topic or don't embarass yourself or your status as a "Moderator".

How is running into a pack harder than a standing jump over one individual?

Walker not only elevated himself once, but twice...

He had the one player to get on... area of getting it just right is minor

Walker took a similar mark to Krakouer only this year! Yep this year!

Walker's will be used in future AFL promotion videos... Krakouer's will be the question you get wrong in a trivia contest 3 years from now.

If you're pointing out who's embarrassing themselves, try spelling the word right!

You have the entire world saying one thing and Collingwood rabbit breeding filth saying another.

 

[GordonBlue]

Hey guys sorry to but in but what a load of shite! Walkers was one of the best marks I have ever seen. By a mile better than nic nats and petterds, and I would have krakouers grab behind those two as well. Probably the best since Smiths mark at the Gabba. Been arguing the point to pies nuffs on the main board to no avail.

Well known fact dude! This was realised before people realised the world wasn't flat!

 

[Wickzki]

I would have thought a detailed, reasoned argument outlining why one mark is better than another is more noteworthy in contributing to the debate than your irrelevant playing the man response. Detail a constructive response on topic or don't embarass yourself or your status as a "Moderator".

Fact: Andrew Walker's mark made international sporting headlines. Never before has an AFL mark been the main headline story on the NFL's webpages on ESPN, Yahoo! Sports and the NFL's own official page - and that's just the "football" comparison it garnered. It was seen on the American Today show, Good Morning America and numerous other sports shows. I believe Ellen DiGeneress showed it on her show. That one mark by Andrew Walker gave the AFL the type of global impact that it has only ever dreamed about. Walker's mark made the AFL relevant throughout the world. When was the last time you could honestly make either of those two statements? Don't you find it absolutely hilarious that the world knows Andrew Walker's name more than they would Chris Judd, Scott Pendlebury and Gary Ablett Jr?

I find it a true shame that the AFL has glorified Krakouer this year as it has overshadowed some of the more brilliant individual performances from several of his teammates. I'd rather hear the media buzz about how damn good Pendlebury has been (a genuinely worthy Brownlow medalist if he gets up on Monday), how Leon Davis has gone from being dumped from the Collingwood grand final team and returned as a worthy All-Australian (especially at his age where footballers don't often add strings to their bow and they basically are what they are), how Travis Cloke (along with Buddy Franklin) has become the best key position forward in the game surpassing the all-time greats of the game in Nick Riewoldt and Jonathan Brown. What's Krakouer really done? Gotten out of jail and returned to his profession. It's not even as though he's all that much better of a footballer than he was previously, it's not as though he's added completely new dimensions to his game like a post-prison Michael Vick did in transforming his game from running quarterback who borderline couldn't pass into a consistent pocket quarterback who runs only sparingly.

Most football pundits questioned the mark even being a part of the top three marks of the year and had it coming down to either Nic Nat or Walker. Had Nic Nat gotten up, while I'd have been disappointed, I'd have at least understood it somewhat and it would have added to his rise as one of the game's great young players (even if I personally disagree). You pick any player other than Krakouer for that mark and you find you'd have a different MOTY.

 

[harmesy 37]

bad luck blue boys about walker not winning MOTY. your reaction is hilarious, keep it up

can't wait for all the entertainment on your board from about 11.00pm next mon night when swanny storms home over the top to win the brownlow after judd leads virtually from the outset

I already know Judd won't win it... The Browlow is often a lottery amongst the top 10 players, so to expect Judd to win it would be ridiculous, especially with the attitude towards him in public and in the media.

I didn't even doubt Walker would win the mark of the year for obvious reasons....until i heard in shock last night the surprising result. Even Krakeour had his hand over his face and was laughing at it..i guess because he couldn't believe it either.


Why didn' t they have someone on the panel who has taken a high mark- such as Malcolm Blight?
Either way- the panel idea for this award is past its used by date. ONLY the people should vote on MOTY.

 

[Korn]

Krakouer's mark is just a normal specky mark. Look at other specky marks, they are all very similar to his, there are marks like this every year.

The main difference between that and Walker's mark is there is a "LIFT" of the body. Walker's back is actually staighten up after the jump. The lift makes him go 1 step higher.

So in summary:
Krakouer: Jump --> Mark
Walker: Jump --> Lift ---> Mark ---> hang time.

Walker's mark is so much more technical.

 

[Magic Alley]

Obviously a practical joke played by Darcy and his large-sconed mate from Broadmeadows.

Would be great of all Carlton supporters stopped listening to their morning show (if anybody actually does listen).

 

[I bleed Blue]

I think almost everyone agrees that Walker should have won this award. Deep down even all the Collingwood trolls know that Walkers was far better.The selection panel that decided this have embarrased themselvse with this decision, and have shown that when leaving a decision like this to a handful of people that it can turn into a complete farce.I will no longer take any notice of any future MOTY or GOTY unless it is voted in by the general public (who seem to almost all agree Walkers was easily the best of the year, if not one of the best marks in recent memory)AFL you should be ashamed and embarassed by this, and it has become completely clear that that the AFL only cares about producing more media attention around these sort of things (which it has done with this joke of a decision). Dont worry everyone here knows which was the best, and im sure this is one mark all AFL supporters will remember as one of the great marks they have ever seen. I was at the game and I know it was the best ive ever seen.

 

[Cazbah]

Obviously a practical joke played by Darcy and his large-sconed mate from Broadmeadows.

Would be great of all Carlton supporters stopped listening to their morning show (if anybody actually does listen).

I certainly don't. He's definately gone down in my books.

 

[GordonBlue]

Gordon your response is typical of the teenager who resorts to using language such as "filth' to refer to people when they don't agree with another's opinion. Your anger and lack of intelligence is indicative of your "base" use of the English language to point score.
In relation to your comment that Walker took a similar mark to Krakouer's earlier this year, we are debating the merits of the three marks nominated for mark of the year, not any other random mark you wish to bring into the equation.
Finally if i answer "Krakouer as mark of the year in 2011" in some future trivia quiz i'll actually be correct.]

Dude, you're the one who came on our board telling one of our mod they are embarrassing themselves and at the same time arguing what the entire world has realised bar Filth fans and the haters/fairytale book writing selection panel. Yet you're calling what I said as teenage talk and questioning my intelligence?

First of all, on a footy forum in a team's board calling your biggest rivals "filth" astounds you does it? Teenage talk is it? What are you an 18th century scholar?

The fact that you fail to see the most obvious of occurrences tells me you're either not quite right, or you belong to some kind of secluded environment which restricts you from recognising reality.

It does amaze me how you're setting the rules. You are saying we can't consider any other mark taken this year because the same idiots said which 3 to pick from? Walker took a too similar mark to Krakouer's this year shows how common Krakouer's mark is and how next year we will see more of the same.

Using things like logic is not allowed is it? Sorry, I forgot you're setting the rules!

All you need to do is explain how one Mark could make world news and have 3 million views? Is it something basic is it? So common is it?

As my intelligence is restricted to a teenage level, please could you use your remarkable off-the-scale brain power to explain to me how Walker's mark could be so popular?

Thanks in advance

 

[The Coach]

Maybe it depends on what clip you see. The front on view of Krakeurs, as posted on page 3 of this thread, makes it look pretty good

 

[BeligerentBlue]

Another case of bias is how all week the footy shows have highlighted the courage of Kerr in that ball dispute with Joseph. It was Joseph who offered his neck to be broken while Kerr offered his torso; but all we have heard is the courage of Kerr and not Joseph. The media turn into real fanboys of certain players this time of the year.

At least Mark Robinson is consistent all year in his man-love of Hird.

 

[jackcass]

Krakouer a genuine contested pack mark, Walker jumped up onto a training bag... reality is there were half a dozen great marks this year, toss of the coin which way you go. Hardly the great robbery portrayed here.

 

[Dramoth]

Krakouer a genuine contested pack mark, Walker jumped up onto a training bag... reality is there were half a dozen great marks this year, toss of the coin which way you go. Hardly the great robbery portrayed here.

Geez you are a silly little ****er arent you...

Even Krak acknowledges that Walkers grab was better than his.

Check a few of your fellow Collingwood supporter's comments in this very thread where they agree that Walker was robbed.

Most of the opposition supporters who have posted in this thread and on the main board are gobsmacked that Walker didnt win it.

So how can a whiney little ****ing toe rag come on here and say that it is just here that its being portrayed as a great robbery. Even the OP who started all this supports another club.

 

[The Coach]

Getting a little feral there Dram over what seemed a reasonable post

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes, the locals need to take a deep breath here. Visitors however have nothing to gain by coming in here to tell us we are overreacting and trying to sell the virtues of the decision.

Most of the AFL community agree that Walker should have won it, so I'm not sure how you think you are going to convince Carlton supporters otherwise on their own board.

The decision was posted on the AFL board, so there is opportunity to argue the point in there. Coming in here smacks of trying to be antagonistic when you know the response you will get in a emotion filled thread such as this. Just don't do it if you are only going to argue.

 

[jackcass]

Yes, the locals need to take a deep breath here. Visitors however have nothing to gain by coming in here to tell us we are overreacting and trying to sell the virtues of the decision.

Most of the AFL community agree that Walker should have won it, so I'm not sure how you think you are going to convince Carlton supporters otherwise on their own board.

The decision was posted on the AFL board, so there is opportunity to argue the point in there. Coming in here smacks of trying to be antagonistic when you know the response you will get in a emotion filled thread such as this. Just don't do it if you are only going to argue.

Point taken. Just making an observation that the Krak's mark wasn't as bad as portrayed here. Never gave an opinion about which I thought was the best mark. In fact stated there were half a dozen fantastic marks this year. We've been spoiled.

Peruse all the boards and don't often comment. Some threads just demand it. I would have thought that the point of the boards being open is to facilitate discussion and good natured banter, not too much evidence of that here, I won't bother in future.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

would have thought that the point of the boards being open is to facilitate discussion and good natured banter, not too much evidence of that here, I won't bother in future.

Visitors do not choose which threads on team boards are open for banter, it is invited.

Team boards are open in that anybody can view them and participate, however they have tighter rules so that supporters of that team don't have to endure the type of posting they might be subjected to on the truly open forums, the AFL board, Bay 13, Polls board etc.

However given your finishing shot, I agree that you probably don't get the distinction so shouldn't bother.

 

[Wickzki]

Honestly, although I realize that they wouldn't do it, I wish that they announced the mark of the year during the Grand Final and included the marks during the finals. It leads into the point I do have to make about Krak's mark. I think a large reason why the voters would have been swayed to vote for Krakouer's mark over Walker is the point in the game where it was taken.

Andrew Walker: 140 to 77. Carlton had already well and truly won the game.

Andrew Krakouer: 78 to 66. Collingwood looked gone for all money at three quarter time even though they were playing in Melbourne against lowly Adelaide. It looked to be the turn around of the Adelaide season and the premiers had their backs against the wall. Yes, they'd kicked 7 goals in the third quarter to get back into the game but Adelaide still had some of the momentum and had kicked 4 of their own. The mark gave the Pies the full momentum that they needed to score an 11 goal last quarter and destroy Adelaide in the end.

I still believe Walker's was clearly a better mark. However, there is some reasoning there. Although it was far, far from a Grand Final its a little like what Jezza said, and to paraphrase, there may have been better looking marks than the one he took in the 1970 Grand Final but it'll always be the greatest mark of all time because it changed the entire outlook of the match (and it was a grand final).

 

[Gone Critical]

Krakouer's mark is just a normal specky mark. Look at other specky marks, they are all very similar to his, there are marks like this every year.

The main difference between that and Walker's mark is there is a "LIFT" of the body. Walker's back is actually staighten up after the jump. The lift makes him go 1 step higher.

So in summary:
Krakouer: Jump --> Mark
Walker: Jump --> Lift ---> Mark ---> hang time.

Walker's mark is so much more technical.

If you look at the tapes of both marks you will find they both got that secondary lift

Krakouers jump onto Luke Thomson is followed by a further lift off Thompson. If you look at the side on vision you can see he is not even in contact with Thompsons back when he takes the mark. So from a technical view they appear the same in that regard to me

 

[HARKER]

If you look at the tapes of both marks you will find they both got that secondary lift

Krakouers jump onto Luke Thomson is followed by a further lift off Thompson. If you look at the side on vision you can see he is not even in contact with Thompsons back when he takes the mark. So from a technical view they appear the same in that regard to me

I think something goes missing if the way we gauge a mark is by bringing out the measuring tape and start factoring in all sorts of technical aspects.

The majority of punters would have had Krakouers mark as a "WOW'
The majority of punters would have had Walkers mark as a "WOOOOOOOOOOOOW"

Just the way I see it.

 

[Gone Critical]

I think something goes missing if the way we gauge a mark is by bringing out the measuring tape and start factoring in all sorts of technical aspects.

The majority of punters would have had Krakouers mark as a "WOW'
The majority of punters would have had Walkers mark as a "WOOOOOOOOOOOOW"

Just the way I see it.

Fair enough, Walker had a lot of WOW.

Personally I was pretty knocked out by Krakouers mark when it occurred especially in the context of how the team was struggling at that time and how they exploded after that. Clearly in that I am influenced by my Collingwood bias.

Walkers mark would be clearly deserving of being rated MOTY it was special and I dont seek to down play that at all. Just reckon Kraks was special too. Especially when you view it from the 2nd and 3rd angles presented on the tape on page 3.

At the ground he seemed to have gone a long way up, it bought the house down.

At the end of the day I kinda wish Walker had won it now, not because I think Krak wasn't deserving but because a lot of people seem to have a bit of a set against him now for winning it.

Walker was definitely the safer choice because as you say it was so WOOOOW