Buckley on the preseason so far

[Ed D]

Just an interesting insight into where the club is headed this preseason including injuries and the club being more open to the media about them.

I still don't know how open and transparent the club will be but perhaps people should take the timeframes the club has put on it's injuries on face value?

It could also be why there is a lot more news about injured Pies players this preseason compared to previous years (as in the club could be no worse off but it's all being reported).

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley will show no mercy to Greater Western Sydney when the teams face each other on Saturday night in the NAB Cup.

Buckley has no intention of starting off on a losing note.

"We want to win every game we play and we want to play the brand of football that we think is going to win footy matches," he told.

But the Collingwood champion will take an injury-depleted team to Blacktown.

Already without injured pair Alan Didak and Ben Johnson, the Pies have also lost defender Harry O'Brien after he put his hand through a window at his home while skipper Nick Maxwell and deputy Scott Pendlebury will also miss.

In their absence former St Kilda captain Luke Ball will lead the Magpies into battle for the first time.

Despite the injury list, Buckley has defended the club's strenuous pre-season.

"If we wanted to be mediocre we wouldn't challenge our players at all and not test their limits," Buckley said. "While we wouldn't have any injuries, we wouldn't have any chance of success either.

"What we do now is not have players play 100 per cent of the games."

The new coach is also promising a much more open and honest approach to injuries and the media.

"We've had some well publicised injuries in recent times, so we are going to be a fair bit more open and honest than we may have been," he said.

"I think it's better to be up front, we want to be transparent to our members."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...iller-in-nab-cup/story-fn7eccwx-1226272143248

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

God damn I love this man.

 

[Kirby]

I think it's much better that they are being this way. I really hated all that subterfuge that used to go on with injuries.

 

[mattys123]

Interesting quote below.

"We've had some well publicised injuries in recent times, so we are going to be a fair bit more open and honest than we may have been," he said.

"I think it's better to be up front, we want to be transparent to our members."

As a supporter, I love that the club is going to try and be more open, let's face it, these days with the social media phenomenon it's hard to hide anything anyway, so why not be as close to honest as a club can be.

But there still has to be times when the club hides the true extent of an injury, especially late in the year when everything is on the line.

I love everything Bucks is saying, this is his team now, and he's starting to put his own mark on it, well off field anyway.

 

[HFF]

I think we all appreciate the approach the club is taking with making any injuries public- particularly to the supporters.

Love the way Bucks speaks and handles himself.

Just on note though, not that it means anything, the players who have been ruled out for Saturday's matches to this point in time are:

Tarrant
Krakouer
Didak
Maxwell
O'Brien
Clarke- ???
Pendlebury
N.Brown
Reid
Wellingham
Johnson
Toovey- ??
Elliot -??

The question marks are speculative based on the "rumours" we are hearing but the others are pretty much confirmed.

Will be interesting to see if we decide to take Jolly and Cloke, particularly Trav who is possibly doubtful too.

Fair list of players. Will be good to see some fresh faced magpies though.

 

[Scodog10]

Last year I was of the opinion that the club should become more open and up front (not knowing what was wrong with Stubbs, J Thomas and Caff at times was annoying), however my attitude may have softened a little since then.

This is due to the OTT reporting of our injuries we're now seeing thats caused people to question our training loads under Buckley, which is utter crap! Whereas over at the blues they have 10 players injured atm, but not a single mention in the papers about Ratten over training them.

 

[ipswichpies]

I also love the way Buckley handles himself and the media I think over the course of his coaching career it will be shown that the club made the right decision to bring him in.

Watching him when he was special comments man in the media it was obvious he was a deep thinker and a ready made coach,MM and Eddie rebuilt the club from the ground up and for that we thank them,now it is up to Nathan and Eddie to take the club forward and I do not think it could be in better hands IMO.

 

[Swooop]

Whereas over at the blues they have 10 players injured atm, but not a single mention in the papers about Ratten over training them.

I agree Scodog, there's a difference between training hard and over-training.

Bucks implies that the Pies have trained hard and makes no bones about it.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226272143248

Despite the injury list, Buckley has defended the club's strenuous pre-season.

"If we wanted to be mediocre we wouldn't challenge our players at all and not test their limits," Buckley said. "While we wouldn't have any injuries, we wouldn't have any chance of success either.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226272143248

Gotta love that attitude.

Also the rotation and transparency one aswell ...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226272143248

"What we do now is not have players play 100 per cent of the games."

The new coach is also promising a much more open and honest approach to injuries and the media.

"We've had some well publicised injuries in recent times, so we are going to be a fair bit more open and honest than we may have been," he said.

"I think it's better to be up front, we want to be transparent to our members."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226272143248

How refreshing, well done Bucks.

 

[Optimax]

Honestly who gives a **** how honest or dishonest we are with injuries.

I just want to win, and being honest or dishonest doesn't affect that one iota, I didn't get the complaints about it last year and I still dot see the issue*


*unless of course you're a gambler and then there's an issue, but seriously who gives a **** you gamble at your own risk and players pulling out is a risk you should take

 

[Ed D]

I think it's good for supporters to know, because normally when a club says 4 weeks for an injury that's a best case scenario, whereas here it's sounding like if they say 4 weeks that's how long they actually think it'll take. There have been way too many negative/pessimistic posts about the injuries!

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[Optimax]

Yeah I get that Ed, but I just want the club to do what's best for the club.

To me whether we are honest or dishonest it's not going to change wins to loses or loses to wins. Really I can't see why it matters or what it'll help

 

[blaze036]

If the club being dishonest with injuries helps us win.. then do it.

If they dont think it gives us any advantage, then it'd be great to keep the fans informed.

 

[Ed D]

Yeah I agree with that. There's no point saying a player is injured if it means opposition clubs will target them or try and use it against them, but for things like this it's refreshing.

 

[biggiemediums]

I'd prefer honesty. Even though it doesn't help us win/lose, it helps rid some of these bullshit journos from making up their lies.

 

[Zahki]

Honestly who gives a **** how honest or dishonest we are with injuries.

I just want to win, and being honest or dishonest doesn't affect that one iota, I didn't get the complaints about it last year and I still dot see the issue*

Because it's annoying to hear all year long "Yeah he's fine, he'll play, no worries" and then at the end of the year hear all the excuses come out about how they were playing under great duress with a missing arm and leg. Instead of lying why not just come out and say "Yeah Player X has a bit of a niggle he's working through it"? At the very least it'll stop the boards pillorying the player for underperforming.

You said it yourself it doesn't affect winning or losing at all, so why not be honest?

that note I think the policy has already started:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ing-a-tall-order/story-fn7eccwx-1226273175014

But with Brown now fit and Reid recovered from off-season shoulder injury, Toovey gave a refreshingly honest answer when asked if the tall trio would play together in defence.

"I wouldn't have thought so, no," Toovey said.

I get the feeling that would've been a "I don't see why not, if they're all playing well" answer in years past.

 

[daics cousin]

Once we settle into the season,watch how good Buckley will be as coach.

I can't wait to see Buckley tweek the game plan when required make personnal changes when required,and watch how the competition will end up trying to catch up with Buckley's strategies.

I really really hope that our greatest ever player,now becomes our greatest ever coach.He throughly deserves this group give him a few flags in his time.

Go Bucks ! and go our beloved Pies!

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'm just excited to hopefully see a coaching move made if we start losing a game.

Haven't seen anything like that in over a decade.

 

[Zahki]

I'm just excited to hopefully see a coaching move made if we start losing a game.

Haven't seen anything like that in over a decade.

fwiw supporters of all clubs always say this whenever their team is losing. I'm pretty sure Malthouse made changes all the time, last year for example didn't the side start playing man on man agaionst Hawthorn in the last quarter?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

fwiw supporters of all clubs always say this whenever their team is losing. I'm pretty sure Malthouse made changes all the time, last year for example didn't the side start playing man on man agaionst Hawthorn in the last quarter?

Not sure, did we?

I know we certainly didn't in the Grand Final.

 

[Zahki]

Think so. Certainly something changed to kick 5 goals in a quarter after kicking 5 in the other 3. As for the Grand Final, I doubt any positional change would've changed the outcome. I was watching the final against West Coast a couple days ago, the first time I've revisited a game from last year since the GF and watching it with fresh eyes it really stood out how poorly the team was playing compared to the finals in 2010. Wasn't nearly anywhere close to the level of desperation and intensity that they had the year before. I think a lot of people on here at the time didn't want to acknowledge it, and just hoped that they'd 'flick the switch' and go into high gear but the truth was they just lost form at the wrong time of year and had been out of it for weeks. We were going to lose the GF all along, the signs were there and there wasn't a thing Malthouse could've done about it on the day to change it.

 

[Scodog10]

A positional switcharoo on Hawkins would have helped a great deal in that 3rd quarter IMO, but that's in the past.

So maybe for prosperity's sake we could stick to just making this about Buck's making all the right noises this pre-season

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Think so. Certainly something changed to kick 5 goals in a quarter after kicking 5 in the other 3. As for the Grand Final, I doubt any positional change would've changed the outcome. I was watching the final against West Coast a couple days ago, the first time I've revisited a game from last year since the GF and watching it with fresh eyes it really stood out how poorly the team was playing compared to the finals in 2010. Wasn't nearly anywhere close to the level of desperation and intensity that they had the year before. I think a lot of people on here at the time didn't want to acknowledge it, and just hoped that they'd 'flick the switch' and go into high gear but the truth was they just lost form at the wrong time of year and had been out of it for weeks. We were going to lose the GF all along, the signs were there and there wasn't a thing Malthouse could've done about it on the day to change it.

Check my post history.

If anyone acknowledged how poorly we were playing, it was me. For like almost 2 months.

I kep saying "Hopefully they turn the switch". But as each week went by and we didn't, it was clear we were never going to win the Grand Final.

Gutting really. Looking back, you wonder why Mick didn't do something earlier. I think outsiders might have been right, Mick really did make it about himself last year.

Buckley is far too much of a perfectionist to allow us to play like shit for 2 months leading into a potential back to back finals series.

 

[MarkT2]

I'm just excited to hopefully see a coaching move made if we start losing a game.

Haven't seen anything like that in over a decade.

Could not agree more. I am still not over the GF inaction.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Could not agree more. I am still not over the GF inaction.

Hey! Look over there! A spud wearing a 26 on the back of his Geelong jumper has taken 46 marks in 10 minutes, should we put one of the best stoppers in the AFL on him since he's sitting over in the pocket scratching his balls?

Nah, no stress, the backman running on one leg should be able to reign him in soon enough.

Master coach my ass.

 

[Ed D]

The biggest error IMO was playing Fasolo over Goldsack. But anyway, you can't change the past.

I look forward to Buckley and his coaching. I don't expect it to be error free but you know he'll have his own spin on things and will try strategies out. He always has Eade in the box with him too.