Adam Goodes lacks courage in the contested situations when he goes in feet first

[MF]

I've posted at least a couple of times in this thread: Goodes should've been given MRP points for tripping with his leg

Negligent/low/medium or Negligent/low/low

What's that work out to? One match?

The problem with you is you've got this rare mental condition that only lets you see what you wanna see, hear what you wanna hear, etc. There is no getting through to you on any intelligible level. We already discussed the trip. You crapped on with your "thigh on thigh" toepoke theory and everyone said you were were blind, but you refused to accept anyone else's view of the incident. Remember?

Is accidental tripping a reportable offense?

 

[Chewy]

I'll just go back and check for your outrage over Brown's hit. Should be easy to find.

Where was your outrage when Greg Williams decked opposition taggers?

How about when Chris Judd eye-gouged Campbell Brown and Rischitelli ? He also elbowed Pavlich in the face during his Brownlow year. And the chicken wing!!! Probably the most callous act we've seen in a while when Juddy dislocated a defenceless North opponent's shoulder.

There's 2 dual Brownlow medallists who committed filthy dirty acts ion the football field

Didn't Jonny Longmire say that 2 Brownlow Medal indicates what a "fair" player Goodesy is?

Dunno about that.... Seems like Goodsesy is rubbing shoulders with some pretty dodgy company in the 2 Brownlows club.. Fairest and Best... yeah right...


Sems to me like you're pretty good at picking and choosing your targets , Sherb

 

[Chewy]

Is accidental tripping a reportable offense?

You think Goodes tried to toe-poke the ball. So both of us agree Goodes deliberately stuck his foot in. The only point of difference is you think he was trying to kick the ball whereas everyone who doesn't barrack for Sydney can see it was deliberate trip

 

[sherb]

Where was your outrage when Greg Williams decked opposition taggers?

How about when Chris Judd eye-gouged Campbell Brown and Rischitelli ? He also elbowed Pavlich in the face during his Brownlow year. And the chicken wing!!! Probably the most callous act we've seen in a while when he dislocated a defenceless North oppoentn's shoulder

There's 2 dual Brownlow medallists who committed filthy dirty acts ion the football field

Didn't Jonny Longmire say that 2 Brownlow Medal indicates what a "fair" player Goodesy is?

Dunno about that.... Seems like Goodsesy is rubbing shoulders with some pretty dodgy company in the 2 Brownlows club.. Fairest and Best... yeah right...

Settle down Chewy. Before you get into Clarko "angry" mode.

 

[Chewy]

SOMEBODY PLEASE... tell me how Goodes can be regarded as a fair player if he's going around deliberately chopping the legs out from under his opponents, or kneeing them when he arrives late into a contest?

I'm confused by Jon Longmire's defence of Goodes.

 

[MF]

You think Goodes tried to toe-poke the ball. So both of us agree Goodes deliberately stuck his foot in. The only point of difference is you think he was trying to kick the ball whereas everyone who doesn't barrack for Sydney can see it was deliberate trip

The fact his foot went in the direction of the ball and ended up mere inches away from it probably makes your case for intentional tripping look a little silly.

I have no issues with people questioning Goodes approach to this contest, but if you honestly think you can say beyond any doubt his intention was to trip his opponent then you're being as one-eyed as anyone else in this thread.

 

[skipper kelly]

The problem with you is you've got this rare mental condition that only lets you see what you wanna see, hear what you wanna hear, etc. There is no getting through to you on any intelligible level. We already discussed the trip. You crapped on with your "thigh on thigh" toepoke theory and everyone said you were were blind, but you refused to accept anyone else's view of the incident. Remember?

Whereas you are the beacon of impartiality.

 

[carloss]

Is accidental tripping a reportable offense?

See D Fletcher

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/08/1062901996490.html

In an ominous sign for Fletcher and the Bombers, the vital backman was reported in last year's elimination final for making "unnecessary leg contact" with West Coast's Chris Judd. He missed Essendon's 2002 semi-final against Port Adelaide, which will be the Bombers' opponent on Saturday night.

 

[worthy]

You've also provided a good example of the type of dangerous play that we should be trying to stamp out and the damage it can cause. You've mentioned an incident from years ago where Hodge may have injured a rival player and caused him to miss matches. I can't remember the exact specifics. Your memory of it is better than mine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Hodge may have thrown out the leg and caught Lappin. Not so much an instance of acting out of self-preservation and cowardice, but a poor instinctive choice to stop Lappin from breaking away. Thankfully, it was the first and last time in Hodge's career that he committed such an act. I imagine, as a player, you would hate to be known for such deeds.

I would hate to imagine what people would think of a player that did this type of tripping and slide tackle thing regularly.

 

[Bollox]

So Hodgey may have thrown out the leg and caught Lappin.

Ahh yes... is that the new hawthorn euphemism for an actual "trip" by a hawk causing an actual injury ?

Forgive me getting off track coz i;m still trying to figure this issue out...we need to get back to this virtual 5th dimensional footy world.... a weird kinda world where nobody is tripped, nobody attempts to trip anyone...and in a bizarre twist nobody even gets hurt

I think i've figured out what Judge Judy is saying....if you're wearing the p&w you can actually trip and hurt someone and be annointed a hawthorn "gladiator"....but anyone else that DOESNT trip and DOESNT hurt anyone is gutless, and it shows a distinct lack of courage in contested ball situations..especially if you dont dive head first and get suspended for breaking a bloke's leg whilst putting yourself in hospital as well.

Yes i'm starting to see the big issue clearly now...and here i was thinking that NOT tripping and NOT sliding was a good thing.

Anyway i;m onboard now . Back later to learn more about this new virtual footy world of gladiators and courage...i just need to pretend i'm doing some virtual work for a bit and will beam myself back with raygun in hand.

 

[worthy]

Well, the justifications made by a few familiar names for the hit below in light of their comments about Goodes make for amusing reading.

Can you link the thread, I could do with a laugh, cheers.

 

[Bollox]

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[Glasgow Hawk]

Is accidental tripping a reportable offense?

Accidental you say??
I beg to differ.. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[.Shotties.]

Accidental you say??
I beg to differ.. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

Really? I think you're only commenting because Goodes is indigenous and you're a racist.

 

[MF]

Accidental you say??
I beg to differ.. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

Your detailed analysis, and clear presentation of the facts make for a really compelling argument.

Unfortunately the MRP didn't rely on your and Chewy's unbiased 'intuition' when reaching their decision.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

The tears continuing to pour from Hawthorn over the GF are still just as delicious, almost 8 months later.

Spot on.

Don't worry Hawks fans. Goodesy will be playing in September to make sure he trips your entire team over...... again.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

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I am outraged by the way Brown used to do this shit. It was not good for the game or the team for him to be getting himself reported week after week and these are not acts of courage in any way. That is a good old fashioned line up that the game was worse off for it and it is the stuff that would have been condemned far and wide in the media at the time.

Browny had a reputation for being a thug on the field so it is interesting that he is being used as the counter example in a discussion about Adam Goodes, a man regarded as a saint by many Swans supporters and media personalities. Browny had that reputation because of repeat incidents. Goodes has had repeat instances of this type of thing but his reputation is still largely untouched by it because the media is so scared of saying anything negative about him, and lets not get started on the run he gets from the MRP.


Goodes would have to be the most likely player going around to cause serious injury with the way he enters 50/50 contests, yet he seems beyond reproach from the media and Swans supporters. You guys should know better than anyone how dangerous his style of attack can be with what happened between Lindsay Thomas and Gary Rohan. Goodes has more form than Thomas with this and yet Thomas is seen as a coward/dog because he actually injured someone. It is only a matter of time befor Goodes causes serious injury. At least Thomas has had the decency to drop that horrible aspect of his game, if only to adopt another. Before you Swans supporters get up in arms about Hawks supporters not bagging Browny but bagging Goodes, maybe go back and check your posts on the Thomas incident first.

Dermie was correct in his call on Goodes and it is starnge that he has been shot down about it. It is even stranger that the media is so worried about calling it the way it is. Goodes is not brave in a 50/50 ball. He is happy to injure others if it means he is protected. I am not saying he goes into contests to injure other players but he doesn't seem to care if he does. If he cared at all he would have stopped using his boot studs and knees as a buffer for contact.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

No. It's not a "mistimed toe poke". As noted by Brereton and others, Adam Goodes has made a habit of sticking his feet or knees into his opponent whenever he goes into a hard contest. I think he does it out of fear and self-preservation.

Since this thread has turned into a semi-shitfight, I'll looked forward to all the vids that you Hawks supporters will post of Buddy going in low and hard into contests.

It's very strange the AFL, MRP and umpires have continually let him get away with this crap. The AFL changed the rules because they were so concerned about the players' welfare. Umpires now penalise those who dive in head-first for the ball and get kneed in the head. All because Sydney young gun, Gary Rohan received a broken leg.

It's weird the AFL are so willing to change the fabric of our great game with this new leg rule, but they continually turn a blind eye to the Sydney Swans player who is the most likely to break an opponent's leg with his dangerous style of play.

Rohan is the only player I can remember in near enough to 40 years of watching that had his leg broken from someone sliding in. The only other incident I can remember that may have been close was Paul Dear breaking Peter Foster's leg when he tripped him using his foot at the Western Oval one day.

Typical idiocy and inconsistency from the AFL...

As for bringing Franklin into this discussion, I fail to see the relevance. Is it because I barrack for Hawthorn and it's a way to deflect the issue? Or is it because Brereton once played for Hawthorn, therefore he isn't allowed to have an opinion on anything as a commentator? Or is it because Josh Gibson is Buddy's teammate, so it's considered okay if Gibbo gets a broken leg because Buddy rubbed a Crows player's face in the grass last week?

Probably because it's a thinly veiled troll from a offended Hawks supporter. I bet you nearly exploded in your pants when Brereton made the comments. Dermott as a 'professional' commentator is well know for his self admitted hatred of Essendon and Geelong and you can probably add the Swannies to that list after they won last year.

The Buddy comparisons would be more applicable if he acted similarly on multiple occasions like Goodes has done. Perhaps I'm one-eyed, but that appeared to be an isolated incident borne of frustration and it probably looked worse than it really was. This shit that Goodes does is far, far worse. Look at what happened to Rohan. The only reason Goodes hasn't already injured an opponent is that he rarely goes into these hard contests - he normally let's his teammates win the hard balls and waits for the "receive".

He doesn't go in with his feet repeatedly he just frequently takes opponents high and has a nasty habit of having his arms flailing indiscriminately around when he runs into a contest. As I posted above, I can't remember ever seeing Buddy go in low and hard for a contest. Does he do it?

 

[MF]

I am outraged by the way Brown used to do this shit. It was not good for the game or the team for him to be getting himself reported week after week and these are not acts of courage in any way. That is a good old fashioned line up that the game was worse off for it and it is the stuff that would have been condemned far and wide in the media at the time.

Browny had a reputation for being a thug on the field so it is interesting that he is being used as the counter example in a discussion about Adam Goodes, a man regarded as a saint by many Swans supporters and media personalities. Browny had that reputation because of repeat incidents. Goodes has had repeat instances of this type of thing but his reputation is still largely untouched by it because the media is so scared of saying anything negative about him, and lets not get started on the run he gets from the MRP.


Goodes would have to be the most likely player going around to cause serious injury with the way he enters 50/50 contests, yet he seems beyond reproach from the media and Swans supporters. You guys should know better than anyone how dangerous his style of attack can be with what happened between Lindsay Thomas and Gary Rohan. Goodes has more form than Thomas with this and yet Thomas is seen as a coward/dog because he actually injured someone. It is only a matter of time befor Goodes causes serious injury. At least Thomas has had the decency to drop that horrible aspect of his game, if only to adopt another. Before you Swans supporters get up in arms about Hawks supporters not bagging Browny but bagging Goodes, maybe go back and check your posts on the Thomas incident first.

Dermie was correct in his call on Goodes and it is starnge that he has been shot down about it. It is even stranger that the media is so worried about calling it the way it is. Goodes is not brave in a 50/50 ball. He is happy to injure others if it means he is protected. I am not saying he goes into contests to injure other players but he doesn't seem to care if he does. If he cared at all he would have stopped using his boot studs and knees as a buffer for contact.

I must have missed the numerous posts in this thread from Swans supporters claiming he has never done anything wrong, and doesn't need to change his style of play.

 

[Glasgow Hawk]

Really? I think you're only commenting because Goodes is indigenous and you're a racist.

WTF? Go back over any of my posts and tell me how I have made any racist remarks.
The fact that he is indigenous has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't give a shit what colour, creed, race or religion ANY player is, but to label someone a racist just because they have commented on an indigenous player is crossing the line.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

LOL

Franklin has been cited, reprimanded and suspended by the MRP on about 6 occasions.
Most of them were for running into players - some of the softest "head high" bumps in AFL history
Franklin is also the most penalised player in the AFL over the past 5 years
So there goes your "protected species" theory.


You're just trying to deflect the issue away from Goodesy's lack of "gladiatorial-type courage"

It's because he's lazy and reckless when it comes to the defensive side of the game or trying to gain a loose ball.

 

[Gongswan]

WTF? Go back over any of my posts and tell me how I have made any racist remarks.
The fact that he is indigenous has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't give a shit what colour, creed, race or religion ANY player is, but to label someone a racist just because they have commented on an indigenous player is crossing the line.

Think you may have missed the point completely, just shows how dopey you are. Seriously, CONTEXT, sarcasm etc, do you know how to read these things?

 

[.Shotties.]

WTF? Go back over any of my posts and tell me how I have made any racist remarks.

Would you say it was stupid of me to attempt to state your intention as fact despite having no clue about your thought process?

 

[MrFujiMoto]

He doesn't go in with his feet repeatedly he just frequently takes opponents high and has a nasty habit of having his arms flailing indiscriminately around when he runs into a contest. As I posted above, I can't remember ever seeing Buddy go in low and hard for a contest. Does he do it?

He has collected a few people doing that and earnt a reputation for it and he has also copped plenty of media attention about it too. And yes there are plenty of examples of buddy going low and hard too but I think that was more a troll than a geniune question.

My question is why has Goodes not earnt a reputation, or media attention, for going into 50/50 contests in a dangerous manner?

As for your comment on Dermie being the one that brought it up and having a hatred for Geelong and Essendon, how is that relevent. He is the one that says he hates the Bombers and to a lesser extent the Cats. He has never said anything about the Swans and in fact many other people within the media say he is very un biased towards all clubs other than the Bombers and Cats. He has openly said he has respect for the way the Swans go about it as he has the Cats (a little more begrudgingly).

Is it possible to discuss this without the Bay styled sh*t fights. It is a relevent discussion point and does not need the side banter from all sides.

 

[Glasgow Hawk]

Think you may have missed the point completely, just shows how dopey you are. Seriously, CONTEXT, sarcasm etc, do you know how to read these things?

Really? I think you're only commenting because Goodes is indigenous and you're a racist.

Ok, because I am so dopey Gongswan, tell me exactly, slowly and in words I'll understand just what Shotties meant by his comment to me.... Because I must be really dumb.