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[Flameboy]

I could definitely see Mata leaving for Rooney. That certainly strengthens us, problem is it also strengthens United.

Why can't we just give them 40m, Roman ...

On the Willian fiasco, lol. Although typeclub may have a point, Mourinho knows what he's doing.

 

[Flameboy]

I'm pretty confident we won't be selling Mata. The reason he didn't play the Hull game was because he only played the single preseason match due to the confederations cup and injury. Spain then traveled to Ecuador for a friendly the week before the season started, also why Azpi didn't play, so had a bit of jet lag (stupid time and place to have a friendly). Mourinho likes to have a psychological advantage over his rivals and giving Mata to United would destroy that.

I do find the Willian news strange though. It definitely does not sound like an Emenalo decision but a player Roman wants, which doesn't usually end well.

I hope you're right.

 

[SuperCats9]

I could definitely see Mata leaving for Rooney. That certainly strengthens us, problem is it also strengthens United.

Why can't we just give them 40m, Roman ...

On the Willian fiasco, lol. Although typeclub may have a point, Mourinho knows what he's doing.

Well that's the thing, I don't think United want to accept just money for Rooney, we probably wouldn't use it this window and our squad would be weakened by Rooneys departure. On the other hand, Chelsea would have the strongest squad in the league.

I believe we could be asking Chelsea to add Mata in any deal. I would be happy with it, obviously would be disappointed at seeing Rooney in a Chelsea shirt but having Mata at United would be a dream. Him, Kagawa and RVP

 

[ADL9798]

Next to no chance of us selling Suarez at this point.

If Madrid had made a decent offer for him a few weeks ago as opposed to in the final 10 days of the window then I'm sure we would have taken it, but we've had enough difficulty securing our key targets as it is. I can't see us being able to secure a quality replacement(s) for him at this late notice, there's just no compelling reason for Liverpool to sell him. As crazy as it sounds even a £60m offer would probably be knocked back because unlike Spurs who had the Bale money guaranteed to them very early on in the window, we wouldn't have enough time to spend it and would enter the season at a significant disadvantage. Like I said, earlier in the window it probably would have been accepted but right now it's just not in Liverpool's interests.

 

[GrandBlue]

Should Madrid come in for Suarez, pretty sure pool will sell. They would have a better idea on what's going on than any supporters, and they obviously calculated they'd be better positioned to get Suarez toward the end of the window as opposed to earlier. This is assuming they are in fact in for him.

Liverpool owners have shown they're happy to buy panic-buy replacements as well, as they did with the Torres/Carroll saga. Should Suarez go to Madrid for 40-60m, my tip is Liverpool go after Andriy Yarmolenko & Michu.

 

[pantskyle]

The Bale deal has really held up a few deals I reckon.

 

[kane249]

Swing and a miss GB, after the Carroll/Downing fiasco's we've been more prudent with our money which is why we didn't match bigger offers for Mkhitaryan and Willian when we had the chance.

Highly doubt we will be selling Suarez this late in the window.

 

[Thistle]

Next to no chance of us selling Suarez at this point.

If Madrid had made a decent offer for him a few weeks ago as opposed to in the final 10 days of the window then I'm sure we would have taken it, but we've had enough difficulty securing our key targets as it is. I can't see us being able to secure a quality replacement(s) for him at this late notice, there's just no compelling reason for Liverpool to sell him. As crazy as it sounds even a £60m offer would probably be knocked back because unlike Spurs who had the Bale money guaranteed to them very early on in the window, we wouldn't have enough time to spend it and would enter the season at a significant disadvantage. Like I said, earlier in the window it probably would have been accepted but right now it's just not in Liverpool's interests.

Do you wish you had sold Suarez after seeing what Spurs have done with the money from, most likely, the Bale sale?

 

[GrandBlue]

Swing and a miss GB, after the Carroll/Downing fiasco's we've been more prudent with our money which is why we didn't match bigger offers for Mkhitaryan and Willian when we had the chance.

Highly doubt we will be selling Suarez this late in the window.

Mkhitaryen wasn't/wouldn't have been a panic buy.

If Madrid come in and make a big offer for Suarez, I'm pretty sure Liverpool will accept, then overpay for a replacement. Nothing really wrong with that either if you're bringing genuine quality in.

 

[kane249]

Mkhitaryen wasn't/wouldn't have been a panic buy.

If Madrid come in and make a big offer for Suarez, I'm pretty sure Liverpool will accept, then overpay for a replacement. Nothing really wrong with that either if you're bringing genuine quality in.

I didn't say it was a panic buy with Mkhitaryen, I said we didn't want to get into a bidding war on what we deemed to be paying overs due to our past mistakes.

Real have shot themselves in the foot a bit leaving it this late, if they had come in with a 40 million bid at the same time Arsenal did we would have probably sold to them but we've got less incentive to sell to them now with little time left in the window. If we did get rid of Saurez we'd probably demand Benzema as part of the deal as we would get a replacement as part of the package.

 

[typeclub]

LFC have proven to sell even if the timing isn't ideal, as was the case with Torres.

 

[kane249]

LFC have proven to sell even if the timing isn't ideal, as was the case with Torres.

Like has already been said a few times, we learned a big lesson about panic buying with happened with Carroll as well.

 

[typeclub]

Like has already been said a few times, we learned a big lesson about panic buying with happened with Carroll as well.

Who is 'we' and what was the lesson?

 

[kane249]

Who is 'we' and what was the lesson?

That would be the club, and the lesson of not going out and buying a flash in the pan as a potential replacement even though you are cashed up?

 

[Latro]

PSG no longer bidding for Cabaye according to Matt Spiro.

 

[moomba]

If Real put in a bid for Suarez I reckon he'll go postal again.

 

[ADL9798]

Do you wish you had sold Suarez after seeing what Spurs have done with the money from, most likely, the Bale sale?

All hypothetical really, we haven't received a serious offer so there was really nothing to consider. If a Madrid or a Barcelona or someone had come in with an offer in that £50-60m+ range then we probably would have sold given Suarez's desire to play for a big CL side but that offer never came.

The other side of it is that financially we are in a far stronger and more sustainable position than Spurs and are capable of signing £20-30m+ players without needing to sell our best player to fund it. In an ideal world I'd want us to keep Suarez and make 1 or 2 marquee signings, and looking at the offers we've made this window it's clear we have the money to do just that. Unfortunately we haven't quite got over the line yet but I'm still confident we'll add those first team quality players before the window closes, and we'll be able to do that without selling the best player in the league.

 

[GrandBlue]

The other side of it is that financially we are in a far stronger and more sustainable position than Spurs and are capable of signing £20-30m+ players without needing to sell our best player to fund it.

Then why haven't you? You might think it's nice saving money, but it doesn't cut the mustard if you want to be competing for the title against City, United & Chelsea, just ask Arsenal.

Also, we bid £38m for Aguero 6 months before he went to City. Bidding big doesn't mean anything.

 

[GrandBlue]

I didn't say it was a panic buy with Mkhitaryen, I said we didn't want to get into a bidding war on what we deemed to be paying overs due to our past mistakes.

Real have shot themselves in the foot a bit leaving it this late, if they had come in with a 40 million bid at the same time Arsenal did we would have probably sold to them but we've got less incentive to sell to them now with little time left in the window. If we did get rid of Saurez we'd probably demand Benzema as part of the deal as we would get a replacement as part of the package.

I was specifically referring to the Carroll scenario when saying the Liverpool owners are happy to panic-buy. They might not be wasting money as freely these days, but should they receive a £50-60m pound injection from a Suarez deal, I think that might change.

For what it's worth though, wasting money is probably not the right way to describe it. Overpaying? Sure, but if you bring in genuine quality like a Jackson Martinez as opposed to Andy Carroll, it's not really a waste of money (presuming he doesn't flop).

 

[ADL9798]

Then why haven't you? You might think it's nice saving money, but it doesn't cut the mustard if you want to be competing for the title against City, United & Chelsea, just ask Arsenal.

Also, we bid £38m for Aguero 6 months before he went to City. Bidding big doesn't mean anything.

Without the extremely useful but ultimately unsustainable £90m cash injection Spurs have received from the Bale sale this summer, the most they've ever spent on a player was £15m.

We've spent more than that on a player on 10 different occasions in the last 5-6 years, and we've now made £25m+ bids for 3 different players this window with no intention of selling our most valuable asset. The evidence is clear, while they've spent their money extremely efficiently over the last 5 years, Tottenham do not have anywhere near the financial firepower that Liverpool do.

I don't think it's fair to say Liverpool have been tight with their money either. Wasteful maybe, but not tight. In 2011/12 and 2012/13 Liverpool spent over £70m net, in that time Tottenham spent -£28m net. There are several things Spurs are doing better than Liverpool at the moment but generating revenue and spending power isn't one of them and it won't be so long as Liverpool continue to sell out 80-100,000 seat stadiums wherever they play around the world.

 

[GrandBlue]

Without the extremely useful but ultimately unsustainable £90m cash injection Spurs have received from the Bale sale this summer, the most they've ever spent on a player was £15m.

We've spent more than that on a player on 10 different occasions in the last 5-6 years, and we've now made £25m+ bids for 3 different players this window with no intention of selling our most valuable asset. The evidence is clear, while they've spent their money extremely efficiently over the last 5 years, Tottenham do not have anywhere near the financial firepower that Liverpool do.

I don't think it's fair to say Liverpool have been tight with their money either. Wasteful maybe, but not tight. In 2011/12 and 2012/13 Liverpool spent over £70m net, in that time Tottenham spent -£28m net. There are several things Spurs are doing better than Liverpool at the moment but generating revenue and spending power isn't one of them and it won't be so long as Liverpool continue to sell out 80-100,000 seat stadiums wherever they play around the world.

Actually £17m, which we spent on Modric, although it's a preposterous comparison anyway, Spurs never had genuine title ambitions until some time in the last 3 years.

and again, making big bids for players really means nothing. If Liverpool really had the money and/or the guts, they'd get all their men, save for maybe Mkhitaryen. For all we know, they might just be making these bids to appease the fans, much like our Aguero bid.

As for being tight, you definitely have been in this window so far.

 

[GrandBlue]

In some transfer news, Erik Lamela is now in London finalizing his move to Spurs, according to his brother:
http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2013/08/roma-starlet-in-london-for-tottenham-medical/

 

[Magma]

so only hours until chelsea try to hijack the move

 

[SM]

so only hours until chelsea try to hijack the move

I like it, Tottenham hijacks Liverpool, and Chelsea hijacks Tottenham. Who hijacks Chelsea though?

 

[Thistle]

I like it, Tottenham hijacks Liverpool, and Chelsea hijacks Tottenham. Who hijacks Chelsea though?

Liverpool should bid 20m for Heskey to **** everyone up