SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

[Lance Uppercut]

If the club did make taht deal we'd see players leave in my opinion given their strong support of Hird.

maybe, maybe not. It's interesting because I had typed out a last line on that last post, saying it might depend on what the players felt about it.

I'm not sure they'd walk out. In fact, if some of the crap I'm hearing is true, it might help retain some of them. Possibly.

 

[rumply]

Draft picks are the life blood of the club - losing 2 years of first rounders in today's football will drag us down for years to come as free agency can only help so much.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Can someone tell me where this punishment regarding us losing ANZAC day came from?

That "punishment" as absurd as us losing premiership points for the next three years

Most of the punishments come from people looking at our club, at the things they wish they had at their clubs and proposing those things get taken away from us. Hence why we've seen things like players forced to enter the draft (because who wouldn't want a chance of drafting Melksham or Daniher), ANZAC day cancelled/given or someone else (as we saw this year, other cubs are pretty keen to get in on this fixture), and salary cap penalties/reductions (because we'd be forced to give up some good players to other teams).

 

[kfc1]

I'm hoping he puts Stanton & Hardingham for their amazing interview abilities

seeing as Hepp is out, he can do it! Wouldn't that be amusing...

Ohh yeah nah boise was good umm yeah nah, see ya next week bee teee

 

[Go_Blues!]

I would never want this for anyone. Geelong do not deserve to be investigated and should not be. Just because we have to suffer through BS charges (some of them are fair enough), doesn't mean Geelong should.

I get what you are saying, if the AFL was actually being fair. But if the AFL are being fair they should drop those particular charges against us, not investigate Geelong.

No, ASADA should investigate Geelong (or at least widen the investigation against Thompson, Dank, and Robinson). They should conduct a confidential investigation into what went on and they should release details of infraction notices (not interim reports). This is how all PED investigations occur. Subjecting a club (or worse, an individual) to the kind of speculation and "trial by media" that your club has had to go through is simply unacceptable. ASADA, the AFL, ACC or whoever else do not have the right to ruin reputations on speculation. Charge people, release those charges to the public, let the accused defend themselves.

This investigation is a disgrace. (and I am not making assumptions about guilt or otherwise, just the crazy way this has been conducted). If this were a criminal investigation, the prosecutors/investigators would get fired and all of the evidence captured would be inadmissible. The longer this goes on, the more of a shambles it becomes.

 

[Stopher]

If anyone can actually tell me what other clubs stood to gain by siding with Essendon in this matter? I mean, was it possible for them to remain neutral at all? I just don't see that what happened yesterday was 17 clubs effectively declaring war on Essendon. Others may see it that way and that is their opinion.

 

[DapperDon]

well, apart from it seems rumply, I'm pretty much on my own. Because I'd be inclined to take that deal. I'd hate to see Hird go, but if we protect our draft picks, I believe that to be the most important thing.

Essentially, in a negotiation like this, both sides have to give up ground. Just saying "nup" is for me not realistic. We have to make concessions, in reality. I've felt for a while now that if we can quarantine this shit to this year then we should. I'd rather lose points than picks, x1,000,000.

Unfortunately Hird has ****** up, like it or not. If he has to go it sucks balls, but no-one is bigger than the club.

As well, it gives us a fresh start, and sadly I'm starting to think that's what we need.

That's fine, and if Hird has ****ed up then he goes no questions asked. To be sacked for taking a personal drug which is legal that has nothing to do with anything would be ridiculous.

The club is always bigger than the individual, you still don't sell the individual short to appease to big tops. If they have proof Hird ****ed up, then he goes, if they don't, then **** em.

Everyone wants this to be over, but I'd hate for us to fold for no reason other than 34 pages of hearsay and speculation.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I'd punch myself in the face with a rake and put it on the internet if we took that deal.

James Hird responsible for rake attack amidst disgraced exit
by Caroline Wilson

 

[Old Campaigner]

If anyone can actually tell me what other clubs stood to gain by siding with Essendon in this matter? I mean, was it possible for them to remain neutral at all? I just don't see that what happened yesterday was 17 clubs effectively declaring war on Essendon. Others may see it that way and that is their opinion.

Nothing unless there was a big block of clubs who thought the process was shit. Then there might be enough to put some pressure on the AFL. But with a lot of clubs currently getting funding from the AFL or owned by the AFL this was never going to happen. There would be a few clubs that might have wanted to side with us but they'd be sticking their necks out and for no real advantage to them.

 

[Pweter]

If this latest deal being reported is true, I wonder if it is the reason Hird is the only one to start court proceedings, didn't do The Word From Hird, and didn't do the presser today.

Sadly it seems the ducks are starting to line up. I can only hope this is a troll of some sort before we hand down a massive F U to all and sundry.

 

[NoIdea]

EMERGENCY routing presser

Network probs at EFCland?

 

[Walesy]

Points stripped from this season + Keeping draft picks = Tom Boyd in Red and Black... right?

 

[Wattos Waste]

That's fine, and if Hird has ****** up then he goes no questions asked. To be sacked for taking a personal drug which is legal that has nothing to do with anything would be ridiculous.

The club is always bigger than the individual, you still don't sell the individual short to appease to big tops. If they have proof Hird ****** up, then he goes, if they don't, then **** em.

Everyone wants this to be over, but I'd hate for us to fold for no reason other than 34 pages of hearsay and speculation.

i agree with you completely.

sadly, i feel a deal will be struck that restricts the release of "evidence" or lackthereof

 

[Rack Watts]

No, ASADA should investigate Geelong (or at least widen the investigation against Thompson, Dank, and Robinson).

Then they should also investigate Gold Coast, because Dank, Robinson and Thompson were there too.
Then they should also investigate Everton, as they also had a Gary Ablett playing for them.
Then they should also investigate Carlton because they also wear Blue.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

well, apart from it seems rumply, I'm pretty much on my own. Because I'd be inclined to take that deal. I'd hate to see Hird go, but if we protect our draft picks, I believe that to be the most important thing.

Essentially, in a negotiation like this, both sides have to give up ground. Just saying "nup" is for me not realistic. We have to make concessions, in reality. I've felt for a while now that if we can quarantine this shit to this year then we should. I'd rather lose points than picks, x1,000,000.

Unfortunately Hird has ****** up, like it or not. If he has to go it sucks balls, but no-one is bigger than the club.

As well, it gives us a fresh start, and sadly I'm starting to think that's what we need.

Disagree. Unless the charges against Hird are just, throwing a club champion under the bus can ruin a club for years. If Hird chose to accept it on the clubs behalf that might be a different matter, but I'd still disagree with it.

I'd rather see it in court and risk on field penalty.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

guys, before 2011 there was no S0. So Dank had a lot more freedom with the games he played at Geelong, sadly

 

[Old Campaigner]

If this latest deal being reported is true, I wonder if it is the reason Hird is the only one to start court proceedings, didn't do The Word From Hird, and didn't do the presser today.

Sadly it seems the ducks are starting to line up. I can only hope this is a troll of some sort before we hand down a massive F U to all and sundry.

The club was always going to be happy to negotiate if the AFL would make a reasonable offer. We were honest in out determination to take this to court but if there is an offer that all parties (Hird included) are happy with I'm not sure why we wouldn't go for it.

Players safe and no lose of picks are the two biggest boxes ticked, it is now just a matter of whether or not the AFL will consed on the nature of the charges so we don't come away labelled as drug cheats.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Disagree. Unless the charges against Hird are just, throwing a club champion under the bus can ruin a club for years. If Hird chose to accept it on the clubs behalf that might be a different matter, but I'd still disagree with it.

I'd rather see it in court and risk on field penalty.

I understand your perspective, but I disagree. I think court is a bad outcome for everybody.

I would want Hird to agree to this penalty if it were to occur, btw

 

[simoro1]

Points stripped from this season + Keeping draft picks = Tom Boyd in Red and Black... right?

if only

 

[Old Campaigner]

Points stripped from this season + Keeping draft picks = Tom Boyd in Red and Black... right?

Nah, they'd probably keep our points for the purposes of deciding the draft order, they'd just not count for anything in terms of ladder position.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Draft picks are the life blood of the club - losing 2 years of first rounders in today's football will drag us down for years to come as free agency can only help so much.

Tell that to Melbourne. I'd reckon a lot of them would give back all their draft picks if they could take back the sacking of Norm Smith.

 

[NoIdea]

Draft picks are the life blood of the club - losing 2 years of first rounders in today's football will drag us down for years to come as free agency can only help so much.

Wrong. Did you see the analysis of Hawthorn's team on AFL360 the other night? I think they had 4 players in the top 10 and about 8 in the top 20 picks, quite a few of whom were traded for their picks.

The point being made was that having high draft picks aren't the be all and end all of a successful team, but that drafting smartly is more important. Just look at Sydney.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I understand your perspective, but I disagree. I think court is a bad outcome for everybody.

I would want Hird to agree to this penalty if it were to occur, btw

This is the key. It would destroy the club if the board sacked Hird for this, he'd have to step down willingly.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Wrong. Did you see the analysis of Hawthorn's team on AFL360 the other night? I think they had 4 players in the top 10 and about 8 in the top 20 picks, quite a few of whom were traded for their picks.

The point being made was that having high draft picks aren't the be all and end all of a successful team, but that drafting smartly is more important. Just look at Sydney.

You mean just under half of their best 22 were first round picks? Drafting smart if important because thats how you get the gems like Kommer late in the draft, but first round picks are still really important too.

 

[Pweter]

If we do lose our points but keep our draft picks, exactly where do we stand in the draft order? Would it be due to where we are right now, would we shift to last in the round? I can not possibly see us being punished but getting number 1