List Mgmt. 2013 Trading & Free Agency

[fabs33]

Wellsaid and Agreed its about time adelaide start playing hard at the trade table.

Anyway if hendo is traded i would expect nothing less than a 2nd round pick otherwise a fair trade with decent/equivalent player in return. (maybe someone like pears? who else?)

If we get someone like this howard kid than far out give the dogs mckernan not bloody hendo.

not sure if anyones has posted but Malthouse made it clear on 5AA that mitch robinson will not be traded unless the offer is rory sloane or danger (in other words get lost and laughed it off) so im not sure what the go is there.

now that hawthorn may get mumford (hopefully not pies), can we go for hale or bailey? otherwise geelong is stocked up with rucks, what can we get especially with sando connection to the cats?

Halle Berry?!

Oh wait, damn.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Once Sydney get Franklin they salary cap will be used on Franklin and Tippett. I hope those youngsters leave Sydney that would just be hilarious

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I could ask the same question.

Hawthorn do not cease to operate in a 'win premierships' model simply because they have won the premiership.

Unless you're making the assertion that Hawthorn did not want to retain Franklin, or that he is of little to no value towards their future premiership tilts, you have to acknowledge him as an example of them failing to retain a player to their detriment.

That they've had success with Franklin to date is actually largely irrelevant towards whether they successfully retained him or not.

Except that they have retained him successfully for nine seasons and won two premierships. Their ability to retain him (and all their other guns) is as relevant as anything could possibly be.

Further, clubs that do create premiership success have obviously developed good playing lists along the way. It becomes harder to keep all those gun players under one salary cap.

It is much easier for a club in our position because no one wants our crappy players apart from a handful of standouts. This is why Port can hang on to Boak and why keeping Gunston should have been so easy for us.

You are being disingenuous, because you're effectively saying that us losing Gunston after his minimum allowable two year contract is the same as Hawthorn losing Franklin after nine years and two premierships.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I hope Sydney get fu**ed over and teams poach their up and coming players

 

[FAITH]

Wonder what it means for guys like Reid/Rohan etc?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I hope Sydney get fu**ed over and teams poach their up and coming players

Andrew Ireland has come out and said that Buddy and Pickering approached Sydney directly after last years GF' and said that Buddy wanted to join Sydney and the deal has been work in progress for 12 months

It makes a bit of a mockery of Pickering saying all year that he thinks Buddy will stay at Hawthorn

 

[spexau]

Wonder what it means for guys like Reid/Rohan etc?

Reid to CHB

 

[jenny61_99]

Andrew Ireland has come out and said that Buddy and Pickering approached Sydney directly after last years GF' and said that Buddy wanted to join Sydney and the deal has been work in progress for 12 months

It makes a bit of a mockery of Pickering saying all year that he thinks Buddy will stay at Hawthorn

Reminds me of Blucher.

I'm thinking players agents are right up there as used car and real estate salespeople in terms of credibility issues.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Wonder what it means for guys like Reid/Rohan etc?

Swans have known for some time now that Reid is keen to return to Victorian, he won't consider a trade to a non Victorian team

 

[1990crow]

Wonder what it means for guys like Reid/Rohan etc?

Hope we go after Rohan. Along with Betts and Polec that would be a very good off season.

 

[King Elvis]

Andrew Ireland has come out and said that Buddy and Pickering approached Sydney directly after last years GF' and said that Buddy wanted to join Sydney and the deal has been work in progress for 12 months

It makes a bit of a mockery of Pickering saying all year that he thinks Buddy will stay at Hawthorn

Weren't Clarko and Franklin apparently involved in a blow up in Vegas in the off season??

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Weren't Clarko and Franklin apparently involved in a blow up in Vegas in the off season??

News to me

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I bet GWS wish they knew Buddy's intensions prior to withdrawing any interest in Dusty Martin

 

[Southerntakeover]

Except that they have retained him successfully for nine seasons and won two premierships. Their ability to retain him (and all their other guns) is as relevant as anything could possibly be.

Further, clubs that do create premiership success have obviously developed good playing lists along the way. It becomes harder to keep all those gun players under one salary cap.

It is much easier for a club in our position because no one wants our crappy players apart from a handful of standouts. This is why Port can hang on to Boak and why keeping Gunston should have been so easy for us.

Their having won a premiership is actually not at all relevant to assessing performance in their future success or failure in retention. Would it have been a successful retention in your eyes had we lost Andrew McLeod in 1999? Were we more successful in retaining Kane Johnson than say... Chris McDermott, because of premierships?

The answer is no. Ultimately a premiership is not a prospective measure of player retention success. It's nonsensical to argue that it is.

If you simply want to reposition the debate into a discussion on whether Hawthorn face a more difficult task than us in retaining players, that's fine. It's not an unreasonable suggestion that teams with better players have more difficulty fitting them into the cap- that's the very intention of a salary cap system.

What you absolutely cannot do however is attempt to argue that Buddy leaving is anything other than a failure in player retention.

You are being disingenuous, because you're effectively saying that us losing Gunston after his minimum allowable two year contract is the same as Hawthorn losing Franklin after nine years and two premierships.

As disingenuous as putting Gunston and Franklin in the same sentence to start with?

 

[adelaidecrows]

All I know is that this issue is a massive kick in the face to every other AFL club in Australia. Its clear the swans have no intention of using the extra allowance to offer 10% extra to every contracted player to compensate on the extra cost of living. If Sydney were smart, according to reports tonight if true the AFL are reviewing this extra allowance, Sydney should withdraw all offers to buddy pending the outcome of this review. If Sydney goes ahead with this offer they seriously run the risk of crippling their club financially for a decade. If they pay buddy 10% of their salary cap for the next 9 years they are in for a world of hurt. Not to mention Kurts contract which would equate to about 18-19% of their entire salary cap yearly going to just two players. Sydney should cancel everything until the AFL review.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I like that Triggy has come out - but he didn't say much.

Would like him to say more about how he thinks the COLA should work & how it is currently unfair/being abused ... ie. like Eddie.

Trigg is now an AFL puppet. Don't rock the boat.

 

[FR0GGY]

Swans have known for some time now that Reid is keen to return to Victorian, he won't consider a trade to a non Victorian team

Why would he sign a 5 year deal then?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Trigg is now an AFL puppet. Don't rock the boat.

AFL house probably scripted it for him...

 

[Sanders]

Andrew Ireland has come out and said that Buddy and Pickering approached Sydney directly after last years GF' and said that Buddy wanted to join Sydney and the deal has been work in progress for 12 months

It makes a bit of a mockery of Pickering saying all year that he thinks Buddy will stay at Hawthorn

Why assume Ireland is telling the truth?

He's just saying its not our fault if players want to come to us, we don't chase them. Ahem bullshit

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Why would he sign a 5 year deal then?

His mistake obviously

It is well know that he has wanted out of the deal for some time now and maybe Buddy's signature is his get out of jail card

Unfortunately it will only be to a Melb based club

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

To me FA is ruining the fabric of the game

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Is Sydney the new Collingwood? The reason I say this is because most opposition supporters are starting to dislike them with all the allowances and poaching of players

 

[Draft Bored]

Is Sydney the new Collingwood? The reason I say this is because most opposition supporters are starting to dislike them with all the allowances and poaching of players

Agreed. And I have a feeling their "blood's culture" is going to take a beating with two of their players taking up 20-25% of the salary cap.

 

[Schulzycrow]

To me FA is ruining the fabric of the game

As many ex footballers and commentators thought it would. Once you have played enough games, loyalty is a thing of the past, especially for the top tier players coming to the end of their careers and are at clubs with no realistic chances of making a GF. Lake took a massive cut to secure his, Del Santo, Goddard and maybe Montagna have seen that the Saint's time is past and now are or have moved to clubs with more chances.

 

[headache1]

Agreed. And I have a feeling their "blood's culture" is going to take a beating with two of their players taking up 20-25% of the salary cap.

Their two highest paid players are imports whom had nothing to do with establishing it, nor were they involved in their premiership. What "blood's culture"?