Stewart crameri

[Bunk Moreland]

Isn't he your best forward?

Yep - but that doesn't mean we should pay well over what we think he's worth.

Kinda like Buddy and Hawthorn, on a smaller scale.

 

[Scotland]

Yep - but that doesn't mean we should pay well over what we think he's worth.

Kinda like Buddy and Hawthorn, on a smaller scale.

$450k a season is well over what you think he is worth?

I guess your other forwards must get paid a pittance. Apart from Hurley, Ryder...

 

[timtamWB]

Personally prefer both Hurley and Carlisle as backmen. I think that's where they've both played their new footy.

Other issue is I don't think we've sorted the Daniher / Bellchambers / Ryder combo yet. And JD isn't really ready anyway.

I agree.


This is where I don't understand some people's opinions. They're saying that Daniher will just come and slot in and be best 22 and take the competition by storm, but he's going to take some time. He's certainly shown a few good signs but in no way is he going to be that #1 target and perform well for the whole year.

 

[TedDougChris]

Theres nothing wrong with being pissed at a club for taking your player, the game is emotional. I'm just sick this arrogance of we're a big club, all bow down to us shit. That mentality is why we've been stuck in the wilderness for a decade.

I have no issue with Bombers fans being pissed - either at us or Crameri. I have no issue about them wanting more than Pick 22 either. I just get annoyed with the inability to have a sensible discussion on here - not just this board, but everywhere... I just wish people would leave the petty bullshit and sniping to somewhere else.

 

[Wild Bill]

No worries.




I guess sometimes, like most recently, players don't always get what they want.

It's all about dat der trade, and some Bulldogs supporters just don't get that.

Crameri is worth more, we know it, they know it, so it's game on.

It talks about the Saints in the hunt. I have not seen a 2nd club linked to Crameri. Savage unlike Crameri did not demand the Blues like Crameri has the dogs. These 2 players are not in the same boat.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I have no issue about them wanting more than Pick 22 either.

How about the Dogs supporters realise it's not Pick 22, but Pick 25.

It'd be a start.

 

[Sanders]

How about the Dogs supporters realise it's not Pick 22, but Pick 25.

It'd be a start.

I don't know why dogs are offering anything?

They can get him for free

 

[chef]

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

The clocks ticking for you guys, not us.

Either you trade him to the Dogs or he's going to put himself in the PSD(with a rather large price on his head).

Take our pick(plus an upgrade of later picks IMO) or get nothing, the choice is yours.

 

[TedDougChris]

How about the Dogs supporters realise it's not Pick 22, but Pick 25.

It'd be a start.

I've said it a few times already in this thread, but currently it is actually Pick 22 (unless they've released the FA compensation while I've been in meetings today).

I've also said that I think it's unders (but not by a huge amount) and that if we had Pick 17/18 (after FA compensation) that I'd give it.

Happy now ?? Now, how about calling your mates out for some of their contradictions and cheap shots ???

Didn't think so.....

 

[Call Me Cake]

It talks about the Saints in the hunt. I have not seen a 2nd club linked to Crameri. Savage unlike Crameri did not demand the Blues like Crameri has the dogs. These 2 players are not in the same boat.

Savage did want to be a blue, his preference was the Blues. And the Blues did want him, very much so.

However, the Blues, unlike the Saints, were in haggles seeing as their pick was not up to scratch in Hawthorn's eyes.

Thus, St Kilda were able to haggle better - and regardless of Savage's sourced preference - the deal was to Hawthorn's liking, not his. In fact, it's even more surprising considering Savage didn't like the Hawks, yet he still walked Hawthorn's line of demands.

Crameri, has never actually said anything himself, he has never said a word to the media about wanting to play for the Bulldogs. However, just like Savage for the Blues, his preference is sourced to be WB.

But WB, just like Carlton, do not have the deal we want at the current point in time. And there's a lot more time to go before the trade period ends. However, Crameri, unlike Savage, is on good terms with the Bombers, and the Bombers are more than happy to give the Bulldogs first priority to get the deal done properly, to our liking.

The only thing missing is detailed accounts of pick offerings by other clubs, but that could either come, or be under wraps. But, it has been said in the past that the interests of GWS and Hawthorn were on the table.

At the end of the day, others have said Crameri's preference is the be all, end all. But just recently, a player, not even on good terms with his original club, did not get what he wanted. And rightly so, the club was not recieving the offer they knew they could get better than.

Carlton's time ran out, and so could the Doggie's if they don't start playing fair.

 

[chef]

Nice to see Crameri running laps around WO yesterday.

Only one place he'll be next season.

 

[Call Me Cake]

So it's all about Essendon and what they want?

We like Crameri. In fact, if we could, we wouldn't even trade him.

But we like him. He only wants more money, and we get that.

However, since we like him, we're willing to wait for the Doggies to preferably get Crameri where he wants to be... but we're not going to be waiting to the point where we end up being F'd over. We might like him, but we also like ourselves.

The ball is in the Bulldog's court to start toeing the line.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

So it's all about Essendon and what they want?

It is every teams prerogative to set a price for their players, just like it is every teams right to not pay that price.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

We like Crameri. In fact, if we could, we wouldn't even trade him.

But we like him. He only wants more money, and we get that.

However, since we like him, we're willing to wait for the Doggies to preferably get Crameri where he wants to be... but we're not going to be waiting to the point where we end up being F'd over. We might like him, but we also like ourselves.

The ball is in the Bulldog's court to start toeing the line.

The ball is in the Bulldogs' court? Please.
The ball is in Essendon's court to facilitate an outcome - the Bulldogs have tabled an offer to Crameri, and have put a reasonable pick on the table - we are not going to magically get pick 15 and even if we did we wouldn't be trading it to Essendon because of that club's perception that they must come out on top of every deal, especially when it's the Bulldogs.
Toeing what line exactly? The Essendon/Dodoro line? There's no hierarchy of command here. As clubs they are equals irrespective of some ancient success. When was the last time Essendon won a final?
Having said that Essendon are absolutely entitled to try and get the best possible outcome for themselves especially considering they're losing a best 22 player, but the arrogance with which the matter is being handled is just classic.
Hopefully both clubs can come out happy, but considering the circumstances I'd be just as happy to get him for nothing.

 

[CrAckDoGGer]

How much does Essendon pay Hurley a year roughly? Seem to over pay Hurley, but underpay Crameri.

 

[chef]

Swear I heard his manager say he can either be traded to the Dogs or he'll end up there in the PSD, they have a plan apparently.

 

[Wild Bill]

Savage did want to be a blue, his preference was the Blues. And the Blues did want him, very much so.

However, the Blues, unlike the Saints, were in haggles seeing as their pick was not up to scratch in Hawthorn's eyes.

Thus, St Kilda were able to haggle better - and regardless of Savage's sourced preference - the deal was to Hawthorn's liking, not his. In fact, it's even more surprising considering Savage didn't like the Hawks, yet he still walked Hawthorn's line of demands.

Crameri, has never actually said anything himself, he has never said a word to the media about wanting to play for the Bulldogs. However, just like Savage for the Blues, his preference is sourced to be WB.

But WB, just like Carlton, do not have the deal we want at the current point in time. And there's a lot more time to go before the trade period ends. However, Crameri, unlike Savage, is on good terms with the Bombers, and the Bombers are more than happy to give the Bulldogs first priority to get the deal done properly, to our liking.

The only thing missing is detailed accounts of pick offerings by other clubs, but that could either come, or be under wraps. But, it has been said in the past that the interests of GWS and Hawthorn were on the table.

At the end of the day, others have said Crameri's preference is the be all, end all. But just recently, a player, not even on good terms with his original club, did not get what he wanted. And rightly so, the club was not recieving the offer they knew they could get better than.

Carlton's time ran out, and so could the Doggie's if they don't start playing fair.

Was Savage contracted? Crameri has been running laps at Whitten Oval. Essendon have no play and he is no chance to go to another club.

 

[Wild Bill]

We like Crameri. In fact, if we could, we wouldn't even trade him.

But we like him. He only wants more money, and we get that.

However, since we like him, we're willing to wait for the Doggies to preferably get Crameri where he wants to be... but we're not going to be waiting to the point where we end up being F'd over. We might like him, but we also like ourselves.

The ball is in the Bulldog's court to start toeing the line.

Wow - this is full blown donial. The dogs are in the position of strength. You are begging for more scraps but unlikely to get anything.

If they don't meet your demands they get him for free. Good place to be for the Dogs.

 

[timtamWB]

Can we stop with the "Essendon haven't won a final in 10 years" "Oh Bulldogs have no flags and are a small club!" "Essendon are a big club!" calls? They do absolutely nothing to help any situation.

We like Crameri. In fact, if we could, we wouldn't even trade him.

But we like him. He only wants more money, and we get that.

However, since we like him, we're willing to wait for the Doggies to preferably get Crameri where he wants to be... but we're not going to be waiting to the point where we end up being F'd over. We might like him, but we also like ourselves.

The ball is in the Bulldog's court to start toeing the line.

The player has to agree to the trade. Since Crameri is out of contract, and his manager has explicitly stated several times in the media that he only wants to go to the Dogs, I think that if Essendon tried to trade him to GWS/Essendon then Crameri would refuse the trade and go into the PSD. He'd put a price on his head, say that he only wants to play for the Dogs, and he would end up there.

The ball is not in the Dog's court. It is in Essendon's court to accept our best offer, unless we are trying to work out a three way deal or similar, in which case the ball isn't in anyone's court, it's just being negotiated. If Essendon can't facilitate a trade to the Dogs, he'll walk. There isn't going to be any other club that he is going to.

 

[maddog37]

It is every teams prerogative to set a price for their players, just like it is every teams right to not pay that price.

He is out of contract though so after October he will not be your player and you will not be entitled to receive any compensation. Anyways, we are going in circles and hopefully a deal suitable for all will be worked out rather than the PSD being used where potentially no one wins.

 

[Wild Bill]

Theres nothing wrong with being pissed at a club for taking your player, the game is emotional. I'm just sick this arrogance of we're a big club, all bow down to us shit. That mentality is why we've been stuck in the wilderness for a decade.

Cracking post - what a shame some of your fellow posters do not have the same level of maturity as yourself.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

$450k a season is well over what you think he is worth?

I guess your other forwards must get paid a pittance. Apart from Hurley, Ryder...

"Well over" was overstating it, but there's no way I'd want them to go to the $450 - $475 that the Dogs offered. He's just not worth that.

Also Ryder is our no. 1 ruckman, and Hurley is a backman who has to spent a lot of time forward due to our mess of a forward line. They're both versatile enough to play as key forwards which makes them invaluable in this era of limited bench spots. Ryder also spent two years at CHB and can play there at a pinch.

That's one downside of Crameri, he's not all that versatile, despite what some people say about him supposedly playing midfield. I would've liked to see him develop into that but he hasn't. He's strictly a forward, and a good one.

 

[cammo78]

Theres nothing wrong with being pissed at a club for taking your player, the game is emotional. I'm just sick this arrogance of we're a big club, all bow down to us shit. That mentality is why we've been stuck in the wilderness for a decade.

Was that an airborne pig I just saw?

Kudos.

 

[Testekill]

Wow - this is full blown donial. The dogs are in the position of strength. You are begging for more scraps but unlikely to get anything.

If they don't meet your demands they get him for free. Good place to be for the Dogs.

Honestly man, it's not even worth the effort arguing. He's both a spud and worth a top 20 draft pick and the Bombers allegedly hold all the cards.

 

[Andronicus]

There is no doubt at all that if the situations were reversed Essendon would not even consider trading pick 22 for him, not a chance. You would be going straight to the PSD.

until draft day when they see a decent player taken at pick 22 and realise how ******* stupid they are.

Firstly, what a stupid thing to say. How can you categorically say what Essendon would do if the roles were reversed?

Secondly, how many players taken at or around pick 22 go on to become decent players? The hit rate isnt great.