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[Magpie Girl]

Can you give an example?

Well we dream all the time of course, and most of that's just the business of the mind, maybe those chemicals you're talking about, and we usually don't (at least I don't) remember these dreams.
I just wake up knowing I was dreaming but it's all a mish mash

But occasionally I will have a very clear dream. Yes I will put my own interpretation on it, or someone may help me do that, but there is a very clear message.
I believe these dreams are intuitive, and they are generally relevant to something going on in our lives.

Even Taz waking this morning from those 2 dreams.
He acted on the message, or the feeling that he got from them.
There's a lot of symbolism in dreams, and if you look at what the objects represent to you, you often get clues.

 

[Magpie Girl]

I'm forever being chased by lions ! I wonder what that means.

you can look up the symbolism of lions - it might prove quite enlightening

 

[TheFreshBanana]

TheFreshBanana
After I woke up (a minute ago) I thought I needed to apologize for yesterday. I am also currently moody because of the results I will receive on Monday, which is making me stressed and anxious. But once again, I'm sorry.

Although I still do think air horning is not has worse as the usual knick knocking and other jokes. Anyway, back to sleep.

It's all good. You said some stupid shit that shouldn't be said to people you know, or people on the internet, true or false. But I know you well enough that it was out of character and have thick enough skin to not let it affect me.

However, your comment that the stuff you say, because you are over the internet, won't affect anyone, is stupid. I'm sure there have been many talks of cyber bullying at school, and words in general are powerful. Even if it is over Bigfooty, and with strangers, I've had experience with arguments on here, where it has actually affected me. So, it is real and it is possible.

As for the initial topic, who's to say knick knocking is even okay? I classify both things as purposely annoying someone for pure enjoyment. Which is a stupid and childish thing to do. Doing stuff like this is childish, and lenience is only given to children who do this, because they are children. Once you step into the adult world, responsibility is automatically given to your actions, whether you like it or not. And that responsibility might be being called a dickhead or even as far as someone being violent.

 

[blaze036]

Well we dream all the time of course, and most of that's just the business of the mind, maybe those chemicals you're talking about, and we usually don't (at least I don't) remember these dreams.
I just wake up knowing I was dreaming but it's all a mish mash

But occasionally I will have a very clear dream. Yes I will put my own interpretation on it, or someone may help me do that, but there is a very clear message.
I believe these dreams are intuitive, and they are generally relevant to something going on in our lives.

Even Taz waking this morning from those 2 dreams.
He acted on the message, or the feeling that he got from them.
There's a lot of symbolism in dreams, and if you look at what the objects represent to you, you often get clues.

Every day if you sleep for say 10 hours you are going to have LOTS happen in your dream, countless random scenarios will occur.

Yes you can act on your dreams, and draw your own meanings from them. However you can also draw meanings from the direction the wind blows, the colour of the first flower you see.. ect ect, all this is actually meaningless and has no relevance to what will happen to your future, but that doesn't stop you drawing a meaning or interpretation from it.

Does this mean dreams exist to give you prophetic visions or messages? Certainly not. In most dream-like situations you can always put a twist on it to reflect something in your life if you think hard enough however.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Well we dream all the time of course, and most of that's just the business of the mind, maybe those chemicals you're talking about, and we usually don't (at least I don't) remember these dreams.
I just wake up knowing I was dreaming but it's all a mish mash

But occasionally I will have a very clear dream. Yes I will put my own interpretation on it, or someone may help me do that, but there is a very clear message.
I believe these dreams are intuitive, and they are generally relevant to something going on in our lives.

Even Taz waking this morning from those 2 dreams.
He acted on the message, or the feeling that he got from them.
There's a lot of symbolism in dreams, and if you look at what the objects represent to you, you often get clues.

But that may have something more to do with intuition than some sort of supernatural occurence. Although, there can be an argument that the idea of intuition is actually supernatural.

I was thinking this yesterday, I've explained my view on God and so and so, and I don't believe it, meaning I also don't believe in karma etc. however I do believe in my gut, that intuition.

But I think that's just your subconscious mind working at such an intelligient capacity that it is able to calculate things at such amazement that it is like a super power.

Dreams are definitely ways of your subconscious telling you something, or even reiterating your feelings. However, I don't think that is an argument that a spiritual world exists.

 

[Magpie Girl]

Every day if you sleep for say 10 hours you are going to have LOTS happen in your dream, countless random scenarios will occur.

Yes you can act on your dreams, and draw your own meanings from them. However you can also draw meanings from the direction the wind blows, the colour of the first flower you see.. ect ect, all this is actually meaningless and has no relevance to what will happen to your future, but that doesn't stop you drawing a meaning or interpretation from it.

Does this mean dreams exist to give you prophetic visions or messages? Certainly not. In most dream-like situations you can always put a twist on it to reflect something in your life if you think hard enough however.

Most dreams aren't prophetic, I agree, but I do believe at times our dreams do very clearly tell us something.
I've experienced this many times.
They are the dreams I remember. They are very clear, and tend to be 'short and sharp.'

Try paying attention to your dreams - you might be surprised

 

[TheFreshBanana]

DThomas, if you don't believe in God, then why do you believe in karma? I'm pretty sure you do because I think you've mentioned it happening to Tahan....

I used to believe in karma, I sort of had to. I've always tried to live as a decent person, be nice, kind etc. to people. So, in my mind, karma HAD to be a thing. Otherwise, why am I bending over backwards to be nice to people? It's easy to be a douchebag, not care for other people's feelings and have fun out of other people's misery. Shit, it's a lovely indulgence. If there was no such thing as karma, no such thing as hell, then why the hell would I follow some sort of moral code?

However, when I decided to become Atheist, it meant to not believe in any of that stuff. No karma, no lucky socks. Otherwise, all I'm doing is being a hypocrite.

 

[Hinequarters]

 

[blaze036]

Most dreams aren't prophetic, I agree, but I do believe at times our dreams do very clearly tell us something.
I've experienced this many times.
They are the dreams I remember. They are very clear, and tend to be 'short and sharp.'

Try paying attention to your dreams - you might be surprised

I think it's largely the placebo affect

If you think your dreams are telling you things, then you will read into things that aren't necessarily there and gather your own meanings. It's not wrong to do this, however I don't believe in any of the spiritual/soul/palm readers (or modern witchcraft ) type stuff.

My mother is big into that stuff and it's ridiculous in my eyes. It's actually a big problem in many 3rd world countries, people believing in the spirit/soul and going to "spiritual" healers" for their medical concerns rather than seeking scientific medical help.

Anyway maybe I'm going off topic . It does get me fired up when there's a "spiritual" debate due to my past in South Africa and some sad things that happened (are happening) there

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I think it's largely the placebo affect

If you think your dreams are telling you things, then you will read into things that aren't necessarily there and gather your own meanings. It's not wrong to do this, however I don't believe in any of the spiritual/soul/palm readers (or modern witchcraft ) type stuff.

My mother is big into that stuff and it's ridiculous in my eyes. It's actually a big problem in many 3rd world countries, people believing in the spirit/soul and going to "spiritual" healers" for their medical concerns rather than seeking scientific medical help.

Anyway maybe I'm going off topic . It does get me fired up when there's a "spiritual" debate due to my past in South Africa and some sad things that happened (are happening) there

There's an off topic in this thread?

Are you South African blaze?

 

[Magpie Girl]

I think the problem is the word God.
God conjures up religion.
Religions generally attempt to control people through fear, and cause tremendous pain and unhappiness in many societies.
There's an enormous difference between being religion and spirituality.
Religion is disempowering.
Spirituality is empowering. It encourages you to follow your intuition, to live from your heart, to grow and be the best you can be.
If you're living from the heart then you are naturally being caring and kind and loving, both to yourself and to others.
You're choosing love, not fear.

 

[blaze036]

DThomas, if you don't believe in God, then why do you believe in karma? I'm pretty sure you do because I think you've mentioned it happening to Tahan....

I used to believe in karma, I sort of had to. I've always tried to live as a decent person, be nice, kind etc. to people. So, in my mind, karma HAD to be a thing. Otherwise, why am I bending over backwards to be nice to people? It's easy to be a douchebag, not care for other people's feelings and have fun out of other people's misery. Shit, it's a lovely indulgence. If there was no such thing as karma, no such thing as hell, then why the hell would I follow some sort of moral code?

However, when I decided to become Atheist, it meant to not believe in any of that stuff. No karma, no lucky socks. Otherwise, all I'm doing is being a hypocrite.

Don't get me started on karma

 

[blaze036]

There's an off topic in this thread?

Are you South African blaze?

No, but I have strong connections there and have been quiet a bit

It's a long story

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Not sure how to read into this, but in the past 2 weeks, I've been finding myself that whenever I look at the time, it is 11:11. Pm or am.

Once, I was checking the time, it was 11:11 again, I told this girl who I was on placement with, she probably thought I was a weirdo.

A few days later, she asked me to google some disease, took out my phone, it's 11:11

Next day, one of the teachers asked me to google something, it's 11:11.

This morning, I was at lunch and wanted to check my phone, it was 11:13, I thought, wow that was close to 11:11.

Just then, checked the time, it's 11:13!!!!

And no, I'm not one who constantly checks the time.

Oh yeah, and I also googled what it would mean, in yahoo answers some person said it is because a spiritual angel has come to me because 1 of the reason was that I was unsatisfied with my life. Which has truth into it because I was doubtful about my nursing because the stuff I saw and had to do was extremely confronting for me.

Still think its baloney but interesting.

 

[Magpie Girl]

11 is a master number

and some say that when you're seeing all those numbers 2:22, 3:33 etc that it means you are on the right track (in whatever decision you have made at that time)
There's a synchronicity to it

 

[Hinequarters]

I think it's largely the placebo affect

Shouldn't be taking sugar pills before bed anyway

 

[blaze036]

I think the problem is the word God.
God conjures up religion.
Religions generally attempt to control people through fear, and cause tremendous pain and unhappiness in many societies.
There's an enormous difference between being religion and spirituality.
Religion is disempowering.
Spirituality is empowering. It encourages you to follow your intuition, to live from your heart, to grow and be the best you can be.
If you're living from the heart then you are naturally being caring and kind and loving, both to yourself and to others.
You're choosing love, not fear.

Few interesting points there MG, however I think religion can be very empowering to people. If people believe God wants them to strap a bomb to their chest and blow up in the middle of a crowded street then they were empowered to do that by their religion. On the plus side, many people living in poverty have religion empower them, and start to think of themselves as actual people who are worth something.

There are positives and negatives to both side. Spirituality can lead people to being really nice people, and being content within themselves.

Spirituality also has it down side, being responsible for countless deaths and suffering in third world areas and it's beliefs are brainwashed into children from a young age (similar to religion), which allows a few "spiritual healer/witchdoctor/shaman" frauds to make huge profits while others die from their false promises remedies and prophecies.

 

[Magpie Girl]

Do you believe TFB you are only a physical body, that you get born, die, and that's all there is?

What about your emotional body, your mental body, your spiritual body?

Is intuition your subconscious, or you higher conscience?

 

[blaze036]

Do you believe TFB you are only a physical body, that you get born, die, and that's all there is?

What about your emotional body, your mental body, your spiritual body?

Is intuition your subconscious, or you higher conscience?

Emotions are just chemicals, which are part of the physical body. Your mental body is your brain, which is part of your physical body.

How do you know a spiritual body exists?

Intuition is "the ability to understand something instinctively, without the need for conscious reasoning." Which means it is an understanding that comes from your subconscious brain

 

[Magpie Girl]

Few interesting points there MG, however I think religion can be very empowering to people. If people believe God wants them to strap a bomb to their chest and blow up in the middle of a crowded street then they were empowered to do that by their religion. On the plus side, many people living in poverty have religion empower them, and start to think of themselves as actual people who are worth something.

There are positives and negatives to both side. Spirituality can lead people to being really nice people, and being content within themselves.

Spirituality also has it down side, being responsible for countless deaths and suffering in third world areas and it's beliefs are brainwashed into children from a young age (similar to religion), which allows a few "spiritual healer/witchdoctor/shaman" frauds to make huge profits while others die from their false promises remedies and prophecies.

That's not my definition of empowering Blaze.
People who strap bombs on their bodies are so brainwashed from the religious zealots, and are not thinking for themselves. They're doing what they're told or expected to do.

Spirituality is not witch doctors, shamans etc. That's just another form of control.

Spirituality is about the self

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Do you believe TFB you are only a physical body, that you get born, die, and that's all there is?

What about your emotional body, your mental body, your spiritual body?

Is intuition your subconscious, or you higher conscience?

Pretty much. I don't think we get reincarnated, nor go to a heaven or hell, nor do we become ghosts and such. Once we die, we die, that's the end of it. If that's not the case, I'll be pleasantly surprised (unless I go to hell).

What do you consider spirituality? A spiritual body? To be spiritual?

I'd like to know these better before I give a personal response to them.

 

[tazzawazza]

spirits are real

 

[Magpie Girl]

Emotions are just chemicals, which are part of the physical body. Your mental body is your brain, which is part of your physical body.

How do you know a spiritual body exists?

Intuition is "the ability to understand something instinctively, without the need for conscious reasoning." Which means it is an understanding that comes from your subconscious brain

Where does the instinct come from?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Few interesting points there MG, however I think religion can be very empowering to people. If people believe God wants them to strap a bomb to their chest and blow up in the middle of a crowded street then they were empowered to do that by their religion. On the plus side, many people living in poverty have religion empower them, and start to think of themselves as actual people who are worth something.

There are positives and negatives to both side. Spirituality can lead people to being really nice people, and being content within themselves.

Spirituality also has it down side, being responsible for countless deaths and suffering in third world areas and it's beliefs are brainwashed into children from a young age (similar to religion), which allows a few "spiritual healer/witchdoctor/shaman" frauds to make huge profits while others die from their false promises remedies and prophecies.

This isn't the work of religion though. This is the work of someone who is deranged. People can be religious and sane. If someone like this didn't have religion, I would say there would be another reason to prompt them to do this.

I think religion, god, spirituality, whatever you want to call it can empower someone. But it can also, as you say, be a reason for disaster.

However, I don't think that should be reason to completely destroy the idea of religion, just because deranged and evil people choose to utilise it for the wrong reasons.

 

[blaze036]

Where does the instinct come from?

Every animal has instincts

The instinct to be wary of unknown things, to mate, to care for your children ect ect

It's hard wired into the subconscious of the brain to ensure the on going survival of the species