No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[Matthew_Lloyd]

Essendon 34 to see evidence from ASADA, show-cause notice to be reissued
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Err, what?!
Did I miss discussion on this earlier?

This reminds me too much of Lukin. Someone working for us doing the AFL's dirty work

I wouldn't be surprised the grubs try and get Grace to influence the players into taking a small ban, which would be enough for them to boot Hird out

 

[Go_Blues!]

It's the usual wank. Very strategic work from ASADA, waiting until right after the trade period to re-commence their show cause notices so media pressure would remain on the players, and wouldn't be distracted with "Crows want Zac Dawson" stories.
We'll see how we go. I doubt anything's changed.

Does anyone really want Zac Dawson?

 

[Andronicus]

Does anyone really want Zac Dawson?

Opponents do.

 

[Darealrath]

Deals would be a disaster for the reputation of the players and club. It won't just go away but stay forever.

Really hope they fight at the tribunal.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Deals would be a disaster for the reputation of the players and club. It won't just go away but stay forever.

Really hope they fight at the tribunal.

I agree about fighting, although no matter what happens from here this will never go away for us supporters of this generation. The reputation of our club has been soiled by the media conditioning the public to follow their agenda. It is entrenched deep in a lot of peoples minds now that we were cheats and nothing will change.

 

[rumply]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...oping-cases-against-them-20141017-117yk6.html

Player representatives told Fairfax Media on Friday night that they had not in the preliminary examination unearthed any smoking gun in the show-cause letters, which averaged 350 pages per player and were delivered via computer disc to the legal team assembled by the players' union.
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McDevitt is expected to offer deals to players seeking to further hasten their fates in the coming days, but no player has yet moved to negotiate despite two – Western Bulldog Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, now playing in the VFL – seeking independent advice. ASADA has suggested any deal would involve at least a short suspension.


If true then it's likely nothing has really changed from what has already been disclosed publicly. So circumstantial case & unlikely to be able to prove to comfortable satisfaction that TB4 was injected? I suspect so.

 

[Bennett.]

Trying to go the 'overwhelm them with bullshit' route.

 

[rines]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...oping-cases-against-them-20141017-117yk6.html

Player representatives told Fairfax Media on Friday night that they had not in the preliminary examination unearthed any smoking gun in the show-cause letters, which averaged 350 pages per player and were delivered via computer disc to the legal team assembled by the players' union.
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McDevitt is expected to offer deals to players seeking to further hasten their fates in the coming days, but no player has yet moved to negotiate despite two – Western Bulldog Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, now playing in the VFL – seeking independent advice. ASADA has suggested any deal would involve at least a short suspension.


If true then it's likely nothing has really changed from what has already been disclosed publicly. So circumstantial case & unlikely to be able to prove to comfortable satisfaction that TB4 was injected? I suspect so.

It shouldn't be the case.. but I really think that what we have seen in the public domain is very close to the mark.. Remembering that ASADA can have 'compelling' evidence Dank ordered TB4.. and they can have 'compelling evidence' that Dank took possession of TB4.. but all that means jack shit in a doping case.. because what they need is 'compelling evidence' of exactly HOW MUCH TB4 was injected in each player and WHEN and WAS IT WITH CONSENT...

So fantastic.. they appear to have built a really strong case that Dank asked Charters about TB4.. and a really really really strong case that a Chinese factory made some TB4.. and a great case to suggest that the TB4 was brought to Australia.. and a very convincing case that TB4 was, at some point, at Alavis Chemist....

Then it gets a little murky.. because they still haven't been able to find any evidence that the TB4 was ever destined for EFC, in fact there appears to be no record of the TB4 after it leaves Alavi's.. which doesn't mean they can go 1+1=4... it may have been destroyed.. it may have been onsold.. it may have been used in Dank's clinic.. it may have been given to Melbourne FC players for all we know...

So even if the tribunal accepts there is a 5% chance it ended up at EFC.. they have no evidence of players being given any injection labelled directly as TB4. They have no evidence of players admitting to receiving TB4.. the closest they have is "that sounds familiar" and "maybe, I don't know, maybe" oh and let's not forget the "he said there was good Thymosin and bad Thymosin and this was the good one".

But yeah that sums compelling and 'almost beyond reasonable doubt' to me..

 

[Smokin]

and they can have 'compelling evidence' that Dank took possession of TB4.. ..

they actually need a finding of fact that it was TB4.

I am not even sure they can get over this little hurdle. If labelled viles are not enough for a finding of fact - can this Chinese supplier prove it was TB4 in that no person of authority at this subsequently tested it?

Remember at all times - the players were target tested and tested negative. This is very different to no test at all.

 

[Harlequin]

I remember Bomber saying it on FCC, when did Jimmy say it?

Hird's comment was made fairly early.
I remember on AFL360 where GW asked Thompson would he stand down if the players received suspensions as James had said he would.

 

[rumply]

Hird and Thompson have both said that they'll walk if players are suspended, have they not?

Dunno about Hird, but Bomber definitely not - Robbo stated that proposition as a matter of fact on 360, basically putting Bomber on the spot & he nodded, may have said 'yes'. He has never come out & said the words.

Anyway probably irrelevant for Bomber now anyway, seems unlikely he will be back.

 

[lysp]

One other thing that annoys me is the constant reference to being "sourced from Chinese supplier". That's by implication massively racist. They are using it to imply that because it's from china its dodgy / 3rd world.

Quite a lot of supplements are all sourced from china because of the quality, high class facilities and cost effectiveness.

If I think came from America or Australia you wouldn't here the country come up anywhere near as much.

 

[rines]

What ever happened to the Mexican drugs? I miss those days...

 

[HurlsMeister18]

Dunno about Hird, but Bomber definitely not - Robbo stated that proposition as a matter of fact on 360, basically putting Bomber on the spot & he nodded, may have said 'yes'. He has never come out & said the words.

Anyway probably irrelevant for Bomber now anyway, seems unlikely he will be back.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...yers-were-banned-thompson-20130729-2qv9v.html

 

[rumply]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...yers-were-banned-thompson-20130729-2qv9v.html

No quote there that I can see - he 'agreed' with Robbo after being backed into a corner on live tv - this has been a running debate for yonks, but the words never have passed his lips, not that I have seen or heard & I wager I have seen every interview Bomber has done since this started.

 

[Matthew_Lloyd]

Offering deals again. Get ****ed McDevitt

 

[bombers21]

Hopefully the evidence in the massive 350 pages of documentation state time & date of each injection

 

[rines]

Hopefully the evidence in the massive 350 pages of documentation state time & date of each injection

Yeah.. would be nice..

not sure it takes 350 pages to write:
On March 1, 2012 you were injected with 5mL of TB4 by Mr Steven Dank whilst at a premise 12 Napier St, Essendon.

 

[dougyboy]

Hopefully the evidence in the massive 350 pages of documentation state time & date of each injection

349 pages will be about why we need ASAGA

 

[Blind Turn]

Wasn't there a nurse involved with off-site injections? Could be mistaken but I vaguely remember it being mentioned early on. Any nurse worth their weight would want to know exactly what they were injecting into players, the doses, etc. The nurse's evidence would hold some weight you'd think.

 

[jmoo wan]

looks like "compelling and comprehensive evidence" will be the new out of context go to quote, replacing "pharmacological experimental environment"

 

[CBombers17]

looks like "compelling and comprehensive evidence" will be the new out of context go to quote, replacing "pharmacological experimental environment"

I found "A Long Walk to Freedom" compelling and comprehensive - and about the same length.

 

[vast]

With everything thats gone on its hard to see the players not taking deals. If there are short suspensions available this could be over in 2 weeks.

I have the feeling the players arent gonna fight this.

 

[Big Joe]

This reminds me too much of Lukin. Someone working for us doing the AFL's dirty work

I wouldn't be surprised the grubs try and get Grace to influence the players into taking a small ban, which would be enough for them to boot Hird out

Having represented the players at the Federal Court David Grace ain't going to sit on any panel hearing the matter. Absolute nonsense from Grant Baker of News Ltd. Another Walkey Award winner to be.

 

[BombaMan]

With everything thats gone on its hard to see the players not taking deals. If there are short suspensions available this could be over in 2 weeks.

I have the feeling the players arent gonna fight this.

Wouldn't that destroy their reputations?. Heppell for example...The way he is going he could become an amazing AFL player but he would never be recognized as a all time great player outside of Essendon just a drug cheat =/.