Random thoughts not worthy of a thread (Part I)

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Thanks.

It doesn't really strike me as much of a 'history' lesson.

I'm sure there was more.

I'm really not into Australian history however, so I didn't give a stuff.

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Remember reading the "Stuart Case" in year 11. That was about an Aboriginal in Adelaide. Didn't read it because I found the documentary at the public library. We did a fair bit of aboriginal history in year 10 history (1 term was Australian history and it was predominately aboriginal related). Like TPA I can't remember because Australian history bores me to tears.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Studied history in high school. Year 9 and most of the year was aboriginal history. Stolen generation. Land rights. That being said my school had a very close relationship with the indigenous people that owned the land the school was situated on.

Had an aboriginal elder visit all the time named Brian mansell (legitimacy questions aside. Bit of a touchy subject here) who spoke about the indigenous view of what happened

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Forgot. When I was studying teaching there was a mandatory 'Aboriginal studies' unit that everyone had to complete

 

[kangaspurs]

And who wasn't treated badly by the British empire?

Far out Australia was a penal colony for their scum and just plain poor people.

ANZAC was British for cannon fodder.

Goodes and Harry O should start their own TV show and call it SVU.

I fail to see how that lessens the impact of the atrocities committed upon Indigenous Australians, just because it happened elsewhere doesnt reduce the poignancy of the events of Australian history. Absolutely, the British and indeed other European communities committed similar atrocities in places such as India, the Middle East (which may in fact be the biggest of all the Colonial powers mistakes as it's implications are still being experienced in a very violent and gruesome way today), North America and Africa. But just becasue it happened elsewhere doesn't mean we shouldn't focus on our history and teach young Australians the dynamics of the European-Indigenous relationship and it's implications.

EDIT: I'm interested in asking any teachers here, or students that were taught Aboriginal history: Was it just Indigenous culture and history prior to European settlement or were the interactions between Europeans and the Aboriginals and some of the more gruesome events taught and what implications that had on the Indigenous people and their relationship with white Australians?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I fail to see how that lessens the impact of the atrocities committed upon Indigenous Australians, just because it happened elsewhere doesnt reduce the poignancy of the events of Australian history. Absolutely, the British and indeed other European communities committed similar atrocities in places such as India, the Middle East (which may in fact be the biggest of all the Colonial powers mistakes as it's implications are still being experienced in a very violent and gruesome way today), North America and Africa. But just becasue it happened elsewhere doesn't mean we shouldn't focus on our history and teach young Australians the dynamics of the European-Indigenous relationship and it's implications.

EDIT: I'm interested in asking any teachers here, or students that were taught Aboriginal history: Was it just Indigenous culture and history prior to European settlement or were the interactions between Europeans and the Aboriginals and some of the more gruesome events taught and what implications that had on the Indigenous people and their relationship with white Australians?

Did a bit of everything.

Then again it seems my school was a bit more ermmm enlightened? than some.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Black arm band history verse Howard's positive outlook on history, they are still debating it at uni level.

 

[Chron]

Since all these cricketers are getting sighted for suspect actions by the ICC, anyone else think its time that the AFL cracked down on these players with suspect kicking arcs, in particular one $ydney-$ider?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Yeah, indigenous history was part of my schooling too.

In fact, my school life in Australia started out quite indigenous.

When my family emigrated in 1987 I was in grade 1 and our first port of call, as it is for most struggling UK families making their move to Australia at the time, was to WA. My Dad was reuniting with his birth father who lived towards Boulder. We were staying in a caravan in country WA and it was the start of the school year, we were in town for a month so I was put into the closest school short term which was in fact an Aboriginal school. Quite the eye opener for a young blue blood pom and maybe the same for the kids there. It was probably my first experience with colour but certainly set the tone for me as far as respect for this countries indigenous people.

Later, my father eventually remarried into a family of Koori heritage with a mother in law from the stolen generation. That is my family here in Sydney.

And still, I think Goodes is a campaigner.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

I fail to see how that lessens the impact of the atrocities committed upon Indigenous Australians, just because it happened elsewhere doesnt reduce the poignancy of the events of Australian history.

Goodes is essentially preying on white guilt and I am not sure how that is relevant to Australia today.

The establishment is long gone, the non indigenous sent here were not treated much better by the empire and Goodes is banging on about the country being built on lies.

Australian history is parrallel to the U.S. where a country was built on immigration and each wave of immigrants for the most part do the jobs forced or otherwise no one else wants to do or builds new infrastructure.

Goodes comes across as not really embracing the country or its diversity or for that matter its history. He comes across as my race means I am a bigger victim than you, so feel my outrage.

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Goodes is essentially preying on white guilt and I am not sure how that is relevant to Australia today.

The establishment is long gone, the non indigenous sent here were not treated much better by the empire and Goodes is banging on about the country being built on lies.

Australian history is parrallel to the U.S. where a country was built on immigration and each wave of immigrants for the most part do the jobs forced or otherwise no one else wants to do or builds new infrastructure.

Goodes comes across as not really embracing the country or its diversity or for that matter its history. He comes across as my race means I am a bigger victim than you, so feel my outrage.

I honestly don't know where we go from here when people like Goodes keep creating this divide.

It comes across like a partner that cheated on you but you've forgiven them and decided to continue the relationship. Yes you've forgiven them but it will always be brought up in an argument.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Finished True Detective.

Mind. Blown.

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Finished True Detective.

Mind. Blown.

god i wish it had more episodes. 12 would do nicely

 

[niko11]

And who wasn't treated badly by the British empire?

Far out Australia was a penal colony for their scum and just plain poor people.

ANZAC was British for cannon fodder.

Goodes and Harry O should start their own TV show and call it SVU.

 

[Kimbo]

Goodes is essentially preying on white guilt and I am not sure how that is relevant to Australia today.

Goodes comes across as not really embracing the country or its diversity or for that matter its history. He comes across as my race means I am a bigger victim than you, so feel my outrage.

I'm not sure what he said, so can't comment on the "white guilt" opinion, but like most, if not all, Indigenous peoples around the world, our Indigenous people are, in fact, the biggest victims when it comes to most socio-economic indicators. And, by "victim" I don't mean "poor me". I mean actual victims of historical and, hopefully diminishing, current discrimination.

For those who don't get the historical argument, you can probably draw some analogies with NMFC and the equalisation funding. Some of that relates to levelling up the current playing field (fixture, stadium deal) but some also relates to the historical handicap we faced with our initial zoning etc. and the flow on effects with who we could recruit, the limits this placed on our success, and therefore our low historical fan-base. Those who say "sort yourselves out, there is no reason you can't be as successful as Carlton (or whoever)..." don't truly understand there are real historical consequences that will take decades to eliminate, if they ever can be.

Similar to Indigenous people who, thanks to terra nullius, had their land taken, their humanity disregarded and their culture subsumed, all contributing significantly to major historical handicap that echoes strongly today.

Black arm band history verse Howard's positive outlook on history, they are still debating it at uni level.

The fact there's a debate shows he "won" on that score imo. Bit like the media thinking we need a 'balanced view' on climate change when 98% of peer-reviewed science agrees global warming is anthropogenic.

 

[niko11]

And just to Shut Him Up they give him Australian Of The Year! Well that hasnt worked...

 

[Kimbo]

god i wish it had more episodes. 12 would do nicely

I'd just be happy for McConaughey and Harrelson to team up in something else.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Er.. I don't think they gave him AotY as a gag.

 

[JD-Roo]

Matthew McConaughey

Leading candidate for the most useless amount of letters in a name.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I'm not sure what he said, so can't comment on the "white guilt" opinion, but like most, if not all, Indigenous peoples around the world, our Indigenous people are, in fact, the biggest victims when it comes to most socio-economic indicators. And, by "victim" I don't mean "poor me". I mean actual victims of historical and, hopefully diminishing, current discrimination.

For those who don't get the historical argument, you can probably draw some analogies with NMFC and the equalisation funding. Some of that relates to levelling up the current playing field (fixture, stadium deal) but some also relates to the historical handicap we faced with our initial zoning etc. and the flow on effects with who we could recruit, the limits this placed on our success, and therefore our low historical fan-base. Those who say "sort yourselves out, there is no reason you can't be as successful as Carlton (or whoever)..." don't truly understand there are real historical consequences that will take decades to eliminate, if they ever can be.

Similar to Indigenous people who, thanks to terra nullius, had their land taken, their humanity disregarded and their culture subsumed, all contributing significantly to major historical handicap that echoes strongly today.


The fact there's a debate shows he "won" on that score imo. Bit like the media thinking we need a 'balanced view' on climate change when 98% of peer-reviewed science agrees global warming is anthropogenic.

That's because the fourth estate (sorry Edmund Burke) is virtually a parody of itself, its emphasis on gossip and glare has taken it away from its original roots of seeking and upholding the truth in society and politics.

 

[niko11]

Er.. I don't think they gave him AotY as a gag.

Fairenuf but i do it wasnt long after Eddie Mguire mistake on radio....

 

[kangaspurs]

Finished True Detective.

Mind. Blown.

I started watching it a couple of months ago, got up to about episode 6 and then stopped because I had too much study to do. The problem is that I completely forgot what was happening and will have to start it again. Is it worth it? I remember liking what I had watched up until episode 6.

 

[kangaspurs]

Goodes is essentially preying on white guilt and I am not sure how that is relevant to Australia today.

The establishment is long gone, the non indigenous sent here were not treated much better by the empire and Goodes is banging on about the country being built on lies.

Australian history is parrallel to the U.S. where a country was built on immigration and each wave of immigrants for the most part do the jobs forced or otherwise no one else wants to do or builds new infrastructure.

Goodes comes across as not really embracing the country or its diversity or for that matter its history. He comes across as my race means I am a bigger victim than you, so feel my outrage.

Personally, nothing against you, I completely disagree with everything you said. As Kimbo mentioned the Indigenous population had their land completely taken away from them, a land they had inhabited for ten thousand years andhad it reappropriated by a colonial power. They were brutally treated, at times slaughtered and treated like second class citizens, not even getting the right to vote until the 60s. Also as Kimbo has mentioned the effects of these events are still being felt today with percentage of Aboriginals in the low socio-economic class alarmingly high, a low percentage of Aboriginals in influential public positions. There is also the deeply ingrained racist culture and attitude that many white Australians still have towards Indigenous Australians. It is absolutely relevant today. Goodes was pointing out that many people are not adequately educated about some of the darker events in Australian history. This is particularly relevant when we have a Prime Minister who recently said that History curriculum should be predominately focused on white European colonial power.

EDIT: I understand New Matilda is alightly left-wing biased but this is a good read nonetheless pointing out the validity of Goodes' claims:

https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/13/punters-guide-not-getting-defensive-about-adam-goodes-truth-bombs

 

[niko11]

Luke Beveridge to be named Dogs Coach soon...

 

[GarnerSmash]

Luke Beveridge to be named Dogs Coach soon...

Zero surprise there

Dogs showing how not to address a clear cultural issue.