News Thomas and Keefe - 2 year ban - Trade, De-List, Rookie

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Tomorrow is April 14th

 

[SpongePie]

Surely we can essendon got to. Lets get fev

Let's CLONE Fev, and have him take both spots.

 

[BlackWhiteBlood]

If the B-sample comes back positive (ok when), I understand we can not replace then on our squad of players however two questions:
1; do we continue to pay them (I am presuming not, but you never know these days)
2; if NO and this brings our TPP under the minimum allowed are we then open to sanctions from the AFL for breaching the salary cap
3; thought of another one, can we promote two of our rookies only till the end of the season to still have a full list. Much like if we had a player go on to the long term injury list. Then at seasons end they go back to being rookies unless we up grade them full time

 

[TradeDraft]

If the B-sample comes back positive (ok when), I understand we can not replace then on our squad of players however two questions:
1; do we continue to pay them (I am presuming not, but you never know these days)
2; if NO and this brings our TPP under the minimum allowed are we then open to sanctions from the AFL for breaching the salary cap
3; thought of another one, can we promote two of our rookies only till the end of the season to still have a full list. Much like if we had a player go on to the long term injury list. Then at seasons end they go back to being rookies unless we up grade them full time

They Be De-Listed and we can not replace them on the List

 

[Chameleon75]

If the B-sample comes back positive (ok when), I understand we can not replace then on our squad of players however two questions:
1; do we continue to pay them (I am presuming not, but you never know these days)
2; if NO and this brings our TPP under the minimum allowed are we then open to sanctions from the AFL for breaching the salary cap
3; thought of another one, can we promote two of our rookies only till the end of the season to still have a full list. Much like if we had a player go on to the long term injury list. Then at seasons end they go back to being rookies unless we up grade them full time

I would expect there to be a standard clause in their contracts re peds, wouldn't expect them to be paid rather dismissed on breach on contract

 

[Unknown Identity]

They Be De-Listed and we can not replace them on the List

I'm available..
Never touched drugs.. not even a cigarette!

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm available..
Never touched drugs.. not even a cigarette!

 

[BlackWhiteBlood]

I would expect there to be a standard clause in their contracts re peds, wouldn't expect them to be paid rather dismissed on breach on contract

Thanks, I would assume the same thing.

 

[TradeDraft]

I would expect there to be a standard clause in their contracts re peds, wouldn't expect them to be paid rather dismissed on breach on contract

Would the be Paid out or Would there Fines take away there Payments?

 

[Chameleon75]

Would the be Paid out or Would there Fines take away there Payments?

I don't think they would be paid out, they would be in breach not the club

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't think they would be paid out, they would be in breach not the club

Do they deserve there Payments after what they Did?

 

[Chameleon75]

Do they deserve there Payments after what they Did?

I wouldn't think so, but as I said I don't think they will receive any payout

 

[ipswichpies]

I don,t think the club will or should give them anything,they have done so much damage and we did a fantastic job at the Gabba just by turning up in the right frame of mind and having a go.
I do not think there is any chance there b samples will be negative and they will be out the door asap,as it stands we will be 2 players short this year and we probably could have done with them sooner or later.

I think they have to go for being such idiots anyway and nobody is saying how this has happened it has all gone quiet until tomorrow and then the shit hits the fan,the club spends years developing and sticking by these players and this is the way they repay it.

I hated the way these 2 have lawyered up and gone to ground even if not guilty it it just appears they have something to hide and probably they have.

 

[ThePhantom777]

They Be De-Listed and we can not replace them on the List

That sucks. Wonder if we can go to the AFL and plead a case?

 

[TradeDraft]

That sucks. Wonder if we can go to the AFL and plead a case?

Why would the Corrupt AFL help Collingwood?

 

[Kappa]

Tomorrow is April 14th
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Doomsday has already happened, April 14th just confirms what we already know.

 

[Pie eyed]

I hated the way these 2 have lawyered up and gone to ground even if not guilty it it just appears they have something to hide and probably they have.

Surely you jest?
After the debacle which just occurred?
Who would be stupid enough to trust their fate to "goodwill'?
No matter how you view Essendon, guilty or not, one thing is absolutely , irrefutably clear from the saga and that is that ASADA are incompetent.
Less clear is whether the AFL are in the same league, but many would argue they are.
I wouldn't put my faith in either party where my career was concerned without some legal protection.

 

[Chameleon75]

Surely you jest?
After the debacle which just occurred?
Who would be stupid enough to trust their fate to "goodwill'?
No matter how you view Essendon, guilty or not, one thing is absolutely , irrefutably clear from the saga and that is that ASADA are incompetent.
Less clear is whether the AFL are in the same league, but many would argue they are.
I wouldn't put my faith in either party where my career was concerned without some legal protection.

might be my name but those are not my words, appears the quote function has misfired

 

[Pie eyed]

might be my name but those are not my words, appears the quote function has misfired

Noted.

 

[1892]

Whether Freo have sort a replacement player for Crowley or not I don't know, however they haven't brought anyone else in. I think Essendon was different as they couldn't field a side.

I'd be surprised if a positive B sample result changed their position at the club, it will just be another step. Surely any delistings etc couldn't occur until after the tribunal or any other asada hearings are finished.

 

[DWil6]

Surely you jest?
After the debacle which just occurred?
Who would be stupid enough to trust their fate to "goodwill'?
No matter how you view Essendon, guilty or not, one thing is absolutely , irrefutably clear from the saga and that is that ASADA are incompetent.
Less clear is whether the AFL are in the same league, but many would argue they are.
I wouldn't put my faith in either party where my career was concerned without some legal protection.

I think ASADA were basically f'ed once word got out to the Peps that they under the gun and started the shredding machine whirring. Basically the lack of paperwork saved their skins.


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[Apex36]

When the B sample comes back positive, they will be given infraction notices. There will be a hearing scheduled, and if they are found guilty, only then will they be in breach of contract, and subsequently de-listed.

They will not be paid out, and we will not be eligible to have top up players.
The end result of this may be a given, but no major decision on Keeffe and Thomas' futures will be made for a while yet.

 

[Soaring Magpie]

If the B-sample comes back positive (ok when), I understand we can not replace then on our squad of players however two questions:
1; do we continue to pay them (I am presuming not, but you never know these days)
2; if NO and this brings our TPP under the minimum allowed are we then open to sanctions from the AFL for breaching the salary cap
3; thought of another one, can we promote two of our rookies only till the end of the season to still have a full list. Much like if we had a player go on to the long term injury list. Then at seasons end they go back to being rookies unless we up grade them full time

Surely we can replace them, essendon got top up players while their case was being heard and would of had them for the year if they had of been found guilty

 

[Apex36]

Surely we can replace them, essendon got top up players while their case was being heard and would of had them for the year if they had of been found guilty

Been said many times now, Essendon got special permission for top up players because they were unable to field a full squad otherwise.

We will have no such issue, and therefore, not have permission to get top ups.

 

[jasonwilde]

This has nothing to do with Coke.

They are alleged to have taken a PED. If true, they have no defence of 'but we thought it was coke', so don't even bother going down that path.

???? What a bizzare thing to write.

"This has nothing to do with coke."
Ummmmmmm it's looking most likely that the PED was in some cocaine they took. I would dare suggest that this has A LOT to do with coke.

They will be asked how the PED were in their system. If this came to be through the use of cocaine why shouldn't they say it?

For goodness' sake mate, they are about to be thrown out of the game for taking PED when, in most likelyhood this is not what they intended to do. They are going to be punished as 'Performance Enhancing Drug Cheats' when, in reality, they probably had a minimal amount of Clen that wouldn't have enhanced their performance (you know, the purpose for the testing in the first place) and nor was it taken intentionally.

If you are too blind to see how that cannot generate discussion than you need a rethink. I doubt many think they'll get off or should go without punishment, but many can see a major flaw in the fact that these two are going to lose careers for being PED cheats.