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vast said:
as much as people love whately he isnt above fear mongering. Whats he trying to say that the afl tribunal was corrupt or incompetent?

Not even asada have suggested that.
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Actually found him Caroish on Tuesday night. Why would he ask Hird if he had the moral authourity to coach Essendon? That only becomes an issue if WADA is successful with this appeal. Or was he saying the stood down year wasn't enough. It didn't make sense.

I get the feeling Gerard thinks he is close to damning evidence and just needs the last piece. Whoever fed him the "no such spreadsheet line" the following day would be agenda driven and just jumping at a chance to use him at a guess. Not sure about that last bit but his tone to Hird
was inappropriate when the Essendon players have recently been cleared.

Sick of Hird being portayed as evil. He is just a human being with values as normal as anyone else.
 
expires said:
Actually found him Caroish on Tuesday night. Why would he ask Hird if he had the moral authourity to coach Essendon? That only becomes an issue if WADA is successful with this appeal. Or was he saying the stood down year wasn't enough. It didn't make sense.

I get the feeling Gerard thinks he is close to damning evidence and just needs the last piece. Whoever fed him the "no such spreadsheet line" the following day would be agenda driven and just jumping at a chance to use him at a guess. Not sure about that last bit but his tone to Hird
was inappropriate when the Essendon players have recently been cleared.

Sick of Hird being portayed as evil. He is just a human being with values as normal as anyone else.
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It was an entirely appropriate question for whatley to ask Hird - Moral authority in this context refers to getting the best from players.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
little out of Column A, little out of Column B for mine.

I'm sorry but any way you dice it, it is a MAJOR slap in the face of the AFL. The anti-doping bodies have effectively declared they have no confidence in the AFL system to achieve a fair result. They would not be going as far as to suggest corruption, but there is no other way to read what their actions mean other than a complete lack of confidence, and have no doubt there is no doubt that is how the AFL would have interpreted it.

That is one of two major reasons the option of leaving WADA will be firmly on the commission table as of now, the other being the fact that WADA clearly do not care how much effect their processes have on the AFL, keeping in mind their local branch has already spent over two long years even getting it to this point, any EFC-caused delays aside.

Now, if I were a betting man I'd put my money on the AFL staying within the WADA system, but that is far from a foregone conclusion now.

The words and actions of both McDevitt and Howman would have the AFL quitely seething, to use an appropriate phrase, have no doubt about that at all. It's a major, major slap in their face and they'd be fuming about it.
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Spot on. Even having it on the commission table as a serious option should give WADA cause to think "is McDevitt's White Whale even worth chasing anymore?".

I'm somehow hoping reasonable commonsense takes place sometime in the next few days, but based upon what we have witnessed over the last few years I know there is very little chance of that happening.
 
Have just re-watched the Hird interview with Robbo & Wakely, and Hird was very impressive, as he's been throughout this.

When the right time comes, I'd love to see Hird and Caro sit down and go toe to toe. Hird would put her right in her place quick smart.
 

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yaco55 said:
The red herring about subpoenas for Alavi and Charter rear their ugly head again - It's irrelevant whether these two are subpoenead because they don't have to answer questions in a hearing or can do the Andruska defence ' I don't remember ' - And Alavi and Charter still haven't signed their affidavits - Nothing to read here.
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And I assume that Dank can adopt the "I don't remember" routine also? I've wondered how forthright he would have to be if he was called to the dock, in any court. Read an article today (not sure where) that depicted WADA's capacity to drag these guys into court as crucial.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
actually that I'm not so sure about - judges are used to appeals and they don't take it personally. But the AFL would be mightily peeved
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While the appeal itself won't insult them, you'd actually be surprised how closely Judges follow their appealed decisions. They keep a pretty tight scorecard of who's decisions have been maintained or overturned the further up it goes in the courts. No judge likes having their decision overturned and alternatively a full bench of the high court upholding your decision is a nice little pat on the back from the highest members of your industry.
 
Kaiser Powser said:
Spot on. Even having it on the commission table as a serious option should give WADA cause to think "is McDevitt's White Whale even worth chasing anymore?".

I'm somehow hoping reasonable commonsense takes place sometime in the next few days, but based upon what we have witnessed over the last few years I know there is very little chance of that happening.
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I'd think there is a reasonable chance WADA might withdraw their appeal within the 21 days. It took ASADA years to issue show cause notices. WADA had a lot of documents to review and have bought themselves time exercising their right to appeal. WADA will lose no face if they take the time to review and then pull the pin basically stating upon further review they have opted to withdraw the appeal.

If this is the end result then even better - it would show WADA displayed due diligence reviewing the case and declined to appeal. The foamers could not argue.

In the event WADA proceeded and lost on appeal again this would shut up the foamers. Two judicial systems would then have agreed the players were not guilty. There could be no conspiracy theory for the foamers.

Don't want to entertain the other possibility at this stage.
 
Pevers-Legend said:
No, the actors are around the right way. Brad Pitt plays one of the boys and is an assistant DA. Dustin Hoffman plays a bit of a goose as a lawyer - sort of reminds me of McDumbshit in terms of intelligence - except Dusty played a good guy.
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Real conjecture about whether the movie was a true story or not. The bloke who wrote the book is adamant it is but they reckon there are so many inconsistencies. Its grisly and disturbing though. De Niro was brilliant.
 
efcboy said:
I'd think there is a reasonable chance WADA might withdraw their appeal within the 21 days. It took ASADA years to issue show cause notices. WADA had a lot of documents to review and have bought themselves time exercising their right to appeal. WADA will lose no face if they take the time to review and then pull the pin basically stating upon further review they have opted to withdraw the appeal.

If this is the end result then even better - it would show WADA displayed due diligence reviewing the case and declined to appeal. The foamers could not argue.

In the event WADA proceeded and lost on appeal again this would shut up the foamers. Two judicial systems would then have agreed the players were not guilty. There could be no conspiracy theory for the foamers.

Don't want to entertain the other possibility at this stage.
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Is this actually a possiblity? What is the 21 days? Is this a time limit in which the appeal can be withdrawn?
 
I was shocked they appealed but I'll be more shocked if they withdraw it.
 
abers47 said:
Is this actually a possiblity? What is the 21 days? Is this a time limit in which the appeal can be withdrawn?
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Yes there's several examples of WADA withdrawing appeals in the past. If you google WADA withdraw appeal you will see several cases where this has occurred.
 
efcboy said:
Yes there's several examples of WADA withdrawing appeals in the past. If you google WADA withdraw appeal you will see several cases where this has occurred.
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This is false hope
 

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Doss said:
Probably a very faint possibility, though.
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Maybe but yourself in WADA's shoes. You receive thousands of documents and some clown comes over pleading with you to appeal. You've not had much time to fully review the case and can't be certain so can take the option of reserving the right to appeal buying some extra time. It will be no big deal if they later decide to withdraw.

I think it is likely that WADA will still be reviewing the case and whether they have a strong case worth pursuing. It will be a massive call for WADA to challenge a sporting bodies (afl anti doping tribunal) not guilty verdict so they would want to be confident of winning to proceed with the appeal.
 
Surely if they do ever drop the appeal it will be a lot further down the track. Don't think it will be in that first/early window. Have they ever dropped appeals that early?
 
I guess what efcboy is arguing is that the appeal could simply be to buy more time to pore over the finer details of the submissions.

I suppose it's possible but I still don't believe that to be likely.
 
Dan Cooper said:
Have just re-watched the Hird interview with Robbo & Wakely, and Hird was very impressive, as he's been throughout this.

When the right time comes, I'd love to see Hird and Caro sit down and go toe to toe. Hird would put her right in her place quick smart.
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No she'd just speak over him and tell him to grow up
 

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boncer34 said:
I thought you said they'd already handed over the brief?
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I was wrong I believe. It appears it was me who was a bit confused.

But even so, I don't think it's much of a possibility they are just doing it to buy time any more. The ramifications of acting even this far are too large to pull out from IMO
 
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