Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[tonywilson43]

So Richmon gets Yarran and a second rounder (pick 20ish), Carlton gets pick 28ish, Brisbane gets ? This doesn't seem to make sense...

NO Richmond trade there second pick and david asbury, for Brisbane second pick which is around 20, and Richmond trade pick 20 to carlton for yarran

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Buddy franklins current value would be about 2 first rounders and a player.

His value according to who?

No one would be willing to pay that, but that is his value. His value doesn't change because no one has paid it.

Again, his trade value according to who? Is it etched in stone somewhere?

If Franklin was on the move, we'd find out very quickly how the market valued him.

A player's trade value doesn't materialise out of thin air. It's determined by the market. You still don't grasp this.

 

[andrew_]

NO Richmond trade there second pick and david asbury, for Brisbane second pick which is around 20, and Richmond trade pick 20 to carlton for yarran

That makes more sense, but I still doubt Brisbane would downgrade their second rounder for Astbury, they (like us) need all the high end talent they can get.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He's under contract. He's value is whatever Sydney are willing to sell him for

His trade value is whatever another team is willing to give up to get him.

That's true for any player. I'm not sure why you brought Franklin into it, as though that would somehow alter the facts.

 

[My name geoff]

His value according to who?

Again, his trade value according to who? Is it etched in stone somewhere?

If Franklin was on the move, we'd find out very quickly how the market valued him.

A player's trade value doesn't materialise out of thin air. It's determined by the market. You still don't grasp this.

You still don't grasp that he's under contract.

Therefore it's the contract holders perceived value that determines what the trade value will be

 

[tonywilson43]

That makes more sense, but I still doubt Brisbane would downgrade their second rounder for Astbury, they (like us) need all the high end talent they can get.

That depend they need key position players and it has been reported that asbury wants a trade and the Brisbane coach has a good relationship with asbury as he used to be assistant coach at Richmond

 

[My name geoff]

His trade value is whatever another team is willing to give up to get him.

That's true for any player. I'm not sure why you brought Franklin into it, as though that would somehow alter the facts.

Do you think that yarran's value will be the same next year when he is out of contract? No way, because the seller's perceived value will be irrelevant

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You still don't grasp that he's under contract.

What's there to grasp?

He's under contract. That's self-explanatory.

But the contract doesn't change the fact that his trade value is determined by the market. The contract simply means that Carlton can choose to trade him or keep him.

Therefore it's the contract holders perceived value that determines what the trade value will be

No. His trade value will be determined by the market.

Carlton can then choose to keep him, in theory, but that has nothing to do with his trade value.

Do you think that yarran's value will be the same next year when he is out of contract? No way, because the seller's perceived value will be irrelevant

That would depend on the market. The market would determine his trade value next year, just as it will this year.

 

[My name geoff]

What's there to grasp?

He's under contract. That's self-explanatory.

But the contract doesn't change the fact that his trade value is determined by the market. The contract simply means that Carlton can choose to trade him or keep him.

No. His trade value will be determined by the market.

Carlton can then choose to keep him, in theory, but that has nothing to do with his trade value.

That would depend on the market. The market would determine his trade value next year, just as it will this year.

and the seller will increase the market value this year as they have plenty of leverage in any possible trades

 

[Sweet Jesus]

and the seller will increase the market value this year as they have plenty of leverage in any possible trades

That makes no sense.

The seller can't increase the market value. Only the market can do that.

In this case, Carlton has a contracted player so can elect not to sell.

 

[My name geoff]

That makes no sense.

The seller can't increase the market value. Only the market can do that.

In this case, Carlton has a contract so can elect not to sell.

The seller will stimulate a higher market value.

You are choosing to not understand what is being said to try win an argument, therefore I am no longer replying to your posts.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The seller will stimulate a higher market value.

So it would still depend on the market.

You are choosing to not understand what is being said to try win an argument, therefore I am no longer replying to your posts.

Sure. Quit while you're behind. By all means.

It's you who doesn't understand that a market determines trade value. But I don't think that's by choice. It's probably just a little too abstract for you to get your head around. That's OK.

 

[Calcium Man]

The next 3 weeks till trade period will simply fly by with the thrilling excitement generated in this thread.

 

[Keystone agony]

Ive heard Yarrans prepared to have a year off if a trade can not be struck.

 

[My name geoff]

So it would still depend on the market.

Sure. Quit while you're behind. By all means.

It's you who doesn't understand that a market determines trade value. But I don't think that's by choice. It's probably just a little too abstract for you to get your head around. That's OK.

No worries.

It's you that doesn't understand that if someone doesn't need to sell something it's up to the buyer to meet the sellers perceived value

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's you that doesn't understand that if someone doesn't need to sell something it's up to the buyer to meet the sellers perceived value

I understand that Carlton have the option to keep their player, because he's contracted. That's fine.

But that has nothing to do with trade value, which is determined by the market and not by what Carlton wants.

 

[doona]

if someone doesn't need to sell something it's up to the buyer to meet the sellers perceived value

So let's say I have a pillow I would never sell. I don't need to sell it but put it on eBay for a million dollars. Does that make the pillow worth 1 million dollars?

Of course carlton/Carlton fans have a figure they want for yarran, though it doesn't mean he is worth that.

If Carlton want to keep him, so they put an unrealistic price tag on him, he is playing for you next year.

The value of yarran is what someone is willing to pay. Not what Carlton fans want.

 

[Keystone agony]

Carlton need to sell him because

1) he no longer wants to play for them
2) if they play hard ball to keep him, hes going to happily get out of the club for SFA next year when his contract is up
3) he might just decide to have a year off

 

[My name geoff]

So let's say I have a pillow I would never sell. I don't need to sell it but put it on eBay for a million dollars. Does that make the blanket worth 1 million dollars?

Of course carlton/Carlton fans have a figure they want for yarran, though it doesn't mean he is worth that.

If Carlton want to keep him, so they put an unrealistic price tag on him, he is playing for you next year.

The value of yarran is what someone is willing to pay. Not what Carlton fans want.

Carlton haven't put him on the market. This point is a hard sell around here.

If someone walked into my house and wanted that pillow, and my perceived value of that pillow was a million dollars, then it's up to the buyer to meet that demand

 

[dragonsblues]

Ive heard Yarrans prepared to have a year off if a trade can not be struck.

Well he already has form seeing he had one this year...

 

[Keystone agony]

Well he already has form seeing he had one this year...

Yeh wants 2 years off

 

[doona]

If someone walked into my house and wanted that pillow, and my perceived value of that pillow was a million dollars, then it's up to the buyer to meet that demand

That is true. Doesn't mean the pillow is worth a million dollars to the rest of the world though.

All I am saying is that his value is what people will pay for yarran.

However there is a price point, where Carlton will agree to the deal. That price point though is not his value,its just a figure that you would settle for.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If someone walked into my house and wanted that pillow, and my perceived value of that pillow was a million dollars, then it's up to the buyer to meet that demand

But if the best offer you got for that pillow was $10, that's its value.

You still don't have to sell the pillow but its value is $10. Your asking price is irrelevant.

 

[Stylo]

Not saying he is worth a first rounder (second round and steak knives seems most likely, or straight swap for lennon ), but the bloke is clearly a pretentious flog.

How on earth is Lennon worth less than our first rounder?

 

[theGav56]

But if the best offer you got for that pillow was $10, that's its market value.

You still don't have to sell the pillow but its value is $10. Your asking price is irrelevant.

By not accepting the $10 it means the market value is higher than that. Doesn't mean it is a million, but that pillow is clearly worth more than $10 to the onwer, who forms part of the market. Negotiations are still in play.