Centrelink Law Reform Australia

[Gazalong]

New rules allow private companies to remove payments from Centrelink clients without a right to challenge their decision.


Australian documentary investigation of work programme schemes, many for disabled people run by Maximus, shows how the scheme is being manipulated and, at times, systematically exploited. Reporter Linton Besser reveals the corruption at the heart of the program aimed at helping some of this country's most vulnerable people.

Corruption in the Employment Services Sector has removed the human rights from many of the most vulnerable in our society.

According to official Government statistics there are 12 job seekers competing for every job vacancy in Australia, so the political ideology is not going to hold for the next election.

The only question is will Tony Abbott listen to the reality or go down a martyr?

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The Members of this Group believe that Private Companies, Government Contracted Companies should be stopped from scamming for illegally obtained Commonwealth monies above human life!
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[Gazalong]

Unconscionable Government Services - Merits and Contracts Review
https://www.scribd.com/doc/27647201...ts-and-Contracts-Review-Gary-Looney-17Aug2015
The Accompanying Referenced Documents are Here: https://www.scribd.com/centrelink-Law-Reform-Australia

 

[Power Raid]

I am all for social welfare reform but in no way should anyone be able to claim any debt or any payment from anyone's pay or social welfare payment without authorisation from the recipient.

The exception to that is a court order.


FTR I would like the dole to be like austudy where you can work without penalty to a threshold and a cents in the dollar claw back threshold after that. In fact the first $100 you earn, I would actually support giving an additional $100s dole.

We should help those who help themselves!

 

[Little Big John]

FTR I would like the dole to be like austudy where you can work without penalty to a threshold and a cents in the dollar claw back threshold after that.

This is how Newstart works.

 

[Fire]

I am all for social welfare reform but in no way should anyone be able to claim any debt or any payment from anyone's pay or social welfare payment without authorisation from the recipient.

The exception to that is a court order.


FTR I would like the dole to be like austudy where you can work without penalty to a threshold and a cents in the dollar claw back threshold after that. In fact the first $100 you earn, I would actually support giving an additional $100s dole.

We should help those who help themselves!

I was on the dole for a brief period a number of years back, and did some seasonal work. When you counted the lost income from the dole that working like this did, I ended up making about $4 an hour. I kept working for a bit, but then left early as I figured my time would have been better invested spending those hours applying for more permanent jobs.

The current system is a heavy disincentive to work and needs reform. I wouldn't pay people though as then it would incentivize people to not get a proper job as the sweet spot would be in making $x a week. However, they do need to raise the threshold, or soften its slope, so that no one is ever working for less than $10 an hour after deductions. That would better encourage people to accept whatever work they can find.

 

[Power Raid]

I was on the dole for a brief period a number of years back, and did some seasonal work. When you counted the lost income from the dole that working like this did, I ended up making about $4 an hour. I kept working for a bit, but then left early as I figured my time would have been better invested spending those hours applying for more permanent jobs.

The current system is a heavy disincentive to work and needs reform. I wouldn't pay people though as then it would incentivize people to not get a proper job as the sweet spot would be in making $x a week. However, they do need to raise the threshold, or soften its slope, so that no one is ever working for less than $10 an hour after deductions. That would better encourage people to accept whatever work they can find.

yep

we all know its easier to find work when you have a job

employers see that as a positive even if its 5 hours a week. it shows you are trying and motivated.

 

[Power Raid]

This is how Newstart works.

great......and thanks

 

[Gazalong]

The only question is will Tony Abbott listen to the reality or go down a martyr?

Well, we have an answer to that question!
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Level 2 Complaint lodged with Human Services.

Legal Instruction for Outcome of Government Complaint - 15 September 2015
https://www.scribd.com/doc/281018150

Unconscionable Government Services - Merits and Contracts Review
https://www.scribd.com/doc/276472015

All Accompanying Referenced Documents are Here
https://www.scribd.com/centrelink-Law-Reform-Australia


This complaint is important as a test case against administrative failure,
awaiting response from their Lawyers.

if anyone has contacts I am seeking a lawyer. Whilst unconscionable behavior
is allowed to continue, the vulnerable in society are at risk.

 

[NSWCROW]

Hopefully Malcolm *s jobactive off from whence it came

 

[Power Raid]

Hopefully Malcolm ****s jobactive off from whence it came

there is better ways of getting people to participate in society

 

[Broar]

Work for the dole ie 25 hours of hard labour a week where you are paid the equivalent of $4 an hour, where your lunch breaks aren't included in your time.

How something like this is legal - I don't know.

 

[Power Raid]

Work for the dole ie 25 hours of hard labour a week where you are paid the equivalent of $4 an hour, where your lunch breaks aren't included in your time.

How something like this is legal - I don't know.

work for the dole is a win win for the welfare recipient and society but it should be a fair pay and still consider the basic principles of allocation of resources and positive outcomes.

 

[Maggie5]

Whatever happened to Abbott's Green Army?

 

[Power Raid]

Whatever happened to Abbott's Green Army?

I haven't heard much about it since it was launched

http://www.environment.gov.au/land/green-army

 

[Maggie5]

I haven't heard much about it since it was launched

http://www.environment.gov.au/land/green-army

Exactly.

 

[NSWCROW]

Been a good 8 days.

Abbott gone and now a mighty $3 increase in newstart.
From $519.20 > $522.20

 

[Lebbo73]

Been a good 8 days.

Abbott gone and now a mighty %3 increase in newstart.
From $519.20 > $522.20

You got a pay rise. Congrats Crow!

 

[NSWCROW]

You got a pay rise. Congrats Crow!

Worked my fingers to the bone for it too

 

[Maggie5]

Been a good 8 days.

Abbott gone and now a mighty $3 increase in newstart.
From $519.20 > $522.20

Is that per fortnight for an adult?
Don't go spending all at once as next you will get a debit card.

 

[Gazalong]

Submitted official complaint with Government

Human Services just closed Complaint without address?

Then when I contact them to complain about the complaint being closed without address;
Human Services Asks "Why are you talking to us and not a Lawyer"?

The Government may be more of an oppressive dictatorship under Turnbull then Abbott.
That's the reality from the lived experience.

Lawyers taking unconscionable advantage.

I have now contacted Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to ask for Cooperation in my Complaint of Government Unconscionability and Tortious Acts. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3u32nyYJYFwZ2hKSzgwazItRjg/view?usp=sharing

Australian Government Human Services Complaint:
►https://www.scribd.com/centrelink-Law-Reform-Australia

Human Service Phone Transcripts of My Complaint:
►https://www.scribd.com/DHS-Complaint-Transcripts

Gary
Centrelink Law Reform Australia
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Centrelink.Law.Reform.Australia/

 

[Power Raid]

without the attachments it is not that clear what the complaint is

 

[radiojake]

Have finally been Centrelink free for about 2 or so months now -

Anyone who says or implies that living on C-Link is easy, have either never done it, or are liars

 

[Power Raid]

Have finally been Centrelink free for about 2 or so months now -

Anyone who says or implies that living on C-Link is easy, have either never done it, or are liars

I was working whilst on Austudy meaning I had to go in each "fortnight?" to lodge payment slips. The staff were really helpful and supportive to me.

but right next to me, there would be some poor fellow needing assistance with the dole. well f me, if the service was like chalk and cheese. All smiles to the austudy and nothing but grief to the person on the dole.

centrelink staff should be reminded their job is to do their job and not judge those who need their help.

 

[Power Raid]

Have finally been Centrelink free for about 2 or so months now -

Anyone who says or implies that living on C-Link is easy, have either never done it, or are liars

well done by the way

well done!

 

[Fire]

My personal experiences being on the dole is that the leeches called 'Job Network Agencies' are a bigger drain on the taxpayer than the unemployed themselves.

For those which haven't lived through the process, they are basically places where you go to waste your time; they give some pretty low level tips on how to write your resume and what to do for a job interview in an interactive seminar. I got sat down for some interviews with them where they ticked boxes and told me they would match me up with some potential employers; but that never happened. Aside from that you were made to come in three times a week to use their facilities to look for jobs. In my case, my training and work experience was in the games industry, and they blocked all relevant INDUSTRY and individual game COMPANY pages under 'entertainment', even though they were no such thing. Same thing with related fields such as production and film. I lodged a complaint about this, but they just shrugged and told me to 'apply for those jobs at home'. So I spent these hours applying for jobs I wasn't qualified for, ensuring everyone's time was wasted to full potential.

That in itself isn't worthy of complaint; after all its only fair to deal with bureaucracy when you're on the dole. But the thing that stuck out to me was exactly how much money was being wasted on this non service. When someone gets a job they collect several thousand dollars, regardless on whether they actually did anything or not. Hell, the first time around I just stopped going once I got a job, and it took them a full two months before they bothered calling me to ask why I wasn't showing up. I told them I was employed months ago and the lady rudely muttered to herself 'its probably too late now' and hung up abruptly. I was happy they probably didn't get to collect their welfare for doing nothing but make finding employment harder; but the second time around they most definitely did. I got a job two days after Centrelink signed me up to one. I had found, applied, and interviewed beforehand, so the JNA got money for nothing in the most literal sense of the word. I had to give them my employers details too, which was mortifying as the last thing I wanted to do for a professional position was have a JNA or Centrelink contact them. I gave it to them though as Centrelink would have cut my payments off immediately, and I needed them until the job started.

TL;DR: Job Network Agencies get rich off government handouts without providing any worthwhile service to help the unemployed get jobs, and simply make a fortune on the natural churn of people losing and finding jobs on their own. If we need reform, this is where we'd genuinely save a fortune while leaving no one worse off.