Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[Crowbots are dead]

No way Danger will run the Carlton/Brisbane draft gauntlet. If Geelong don't pony up a reasonable trade I would consider it more likely that Danger signs for 2 more with the crows than risk it.

Crows have a good hand and Geelong will cough up.

Absolutely. We risk losing pick 14 ( danger is already lost) whereas Geelong risk losing danger. They will have to improve on the compensation pick. Will probably be pick 9 this year and their first rounder next year. W should also get a player but not that keen on cats players, with the exception of Menzel. Would he be keen to come home?

 

[Mahlepi]

Hot off the press, reads like Rucci's story was approved by the AFC.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/a...nt-for-some-time/story-fnia3xzy-1227541051946

How Adelaide had planned for Patrick Dangerfield’s exit as an AFL free agent for some time

• by: MICHELANGELO RUCCI CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
• From: The Advertiser
• September 24, 2015 12:00AM

PATRICK Dangerfield’s decision to leave the Adelaide Football Club was inevitable. He has extraordinary reasons to be back at his family base at Moggs Creek, near Geelong.

Dangerfield’s ability to play the best football of his eight-season AFL career — to the point he is a leading Brownlow Medal contender — while carrying the speculation on his future — is a tribute to his mental strength and his character and honour.

More so considering Dangerfield — like all his Crows team-mates — had to deal with the unfathomable tragedy of losing coach Phil Walsh on July 3.

The Crows are losing a once-in-a-generation star. They also expect to be adequately compensated for his move to Geelong — a point Adelaide Football Club chief executive Andrew Fagan will make in his press conference on Thursday afternoon.

Dangerfield, 25, has for much of this year been prodded on his future. His first official AFL game of the year — the NAB Challenge pre-season clash with Geelong at Kardinia Park in mid-March — was marked with the AFL’s official network, Fox Footy, creating a provocative image of Dangerfield in a Cats jumper.
That prophetic picture made its way to the Kardinia Park video screens — to give the Cats’ fan a view of the future — while Dangerfield was fighting for a kick in an Adelaide jumper.

And Dangerfield was battling for the Crows’ pride exactly as he had promised Walsh.

one of their first meetings late last year, after Walsh had moved for key forward Taylor Walker to be captain rather than 2014 co-captains Dangerfield and Rory Sloane, the first-year coach had one critical question for “Danger”: Could he deliver 100 per cent while carrying all the speculation on his future?

Built into that question was: Would he give everything to the Crows while considering his hope of living at his family base at Moggs Creek and playing out his AFL career with Geelong?

Dangerfield said yes — and he has delivered his best-ever season, a bittersweet pill for the Crows considering they are about to lose a gem just as it is to shine brightest.

While Walsh — and then interim coach Scott Camporeale — never had to question Dangerfield’s commitment to Adelaide this season, Fagan and Crows football chief David Noble needed an answer on his future. Dangerfield’s decision — stay or go — rolled on to list management and the contracts of many other Crows.

While other free agents — in particular Lance Franklin at Hawthorn and James Frawley at Melbourne — frustrated their clubs by keeping secret their decision until the season ended, Dangerfield and Fagan made a pact. When Dangerfield was sure of his decision, he would tell the club, and the Crows would keep it secret.

Considering Adelaide did not need a tightrope rush to the AFL finals disrupted by a circus, Dangerfield and the Crows senior hierarchy were able to strike an agreement that served both parties equally.

Dangerfield told the Crows in the lead-up to the away clash with Essendon on August 15 of his wish to take up free agency, in particular with Geelong. His wish to be at his family base as he and his partner Mardi Harwood start their own family was pressing. He was not intending to start an auction for his signature that is worth as much as $1.2 million a season — he is taking just $800,000 from the Cats.

As Dangerfield chalked up 27 disposals and kicked three goals in the 112-point thrashing of the Bombers, Fagan sat in the Etihad Stadium grandstands knowing he was losing one of the game’s hottest players.

Fagan has become adamant that the Crows had to be “fairly” compensated for losing such a star. That point will be reinforced today when Adelaide makes the declaration it will be first AFL club to match a free-agent offer — forcing Geelong to trade for Dangerfield or run the risk of losing him in the AFL national draft on November 29.

It is a high-risk poker game for Adelaide, Geelong — and Dangerfield.

Free agency began in the AFL at the end of 2012. It has created “bad exits” for most free agents, as highlighted by Hawthorn premiership coach Alastair Clarkson’s frustration with Franklin two years ago.

Fagan, who has experienced free agency in his previous work in rugby union, was adamant Adelaide and Dangerfield would part on good terms.

Dangerfield would tell his team-mates face-to-face — as he did yesterday in their “Wacky Wednesday” end-of-season wake at the Cumberland Arms.

Dangerfield is to make a gracious farewell speech at the club champion count on Saturday night when he is expected to win the Malciolm Blight Medal for the first — and last — time.

Dangerfield is to sit at the Adelaide table — as a welcomed partner — at the Brownlow Medal count in Melbourne on Monday night.

Dangerfield is to leave Adelaide with dignity.

How this chapter closes now depends on Geelong. The Cats must satisfy Adelaide with a deal involving prize draft picks when the AFL trade period opens in Melbourne on Monday, October 12.

If not, Adelaide will stand on a principle that would force Dangerfield to the draft pool where he would not get to Geelong, which has pick No. 9 today

That reads like the crows media department wrote it

 

[rezagun]

I like how roo asked jay in a condesending voice ' where did you hear that from' on the 6 years at 800k. Jay replied oh you know we find these things out... Is paul connors the one leaking all this shit to geelong/ clark or is it gfc just being public with their latest coup. Or is jay just making shit up.?

 

[Pugsley]

What ever the outcome, I just hope it's sorted early so both teams can then focus on other deals.

The longer it goes on, the more it disadvantages each club and their courting of any other players.

You'll come to realise it's all about Patrick.

 

[douglyzia]

Retiring for a year, at his peak, when the games evolving/changing so quickly, is the stupidest thing i've seen all year from Geelong trolls.

And that will prove he holds all the cards and is in control of his destiny, by being forced to sit out a year. LOL.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

If a deal can't be done and patty signed on for 2 more years I honestly don't know whether I'd be happy. We will likely lose him for nothing with the possibility that even comp picks are gone then.


Patty for 2 years or 2 first rounders plus a fringe player. I'm leaning towards the latter...

We have come out strongly and have declared we will send him the PSD if a deal can't be done. We loose pick 14 in a shallow draft. Definitely worth risking

 

[Mahlepi]

Can't blame them as Mahlepi has been telling them it was a given we would roll over.

Guess they missed the news we replaced trigg with Fagan & we have grown a set.

Appreciate its a crows thread, but I am not sure why you keep tagging me

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

For the life of me I cannkt understand how crows supporters would be ok with losing patty for nothing if he goes into a draft. Because that's what will happen. Give up arguably the best player in the comp for a big fat 0.

Principles can't be bought. If rather lose him for nothing than give him up to Geelong for the compo as it is now.

 

[rezagun]

The only reason Danger said Victiora and not Geelong because he hasn't thought about who club he wanted to go to

In all seriousness I think he said Geelong his previous denials would sound even more hollow. This way he can say he's leaving but not to Geelong

It seems to me connors wants this to be easier than its looking its going to be. I think hes let the cat out of the bag with the contract details and has specifically told pd to say victoria instead of geelong to drive up the $$ from geelong because he knows its unders and it will become a shit fight.

 

[subaru]

If the cats couldn't afford to trade for danger, why have they been courting him...

They are not going to turn around to him now & say sorry, we changed our mind.

They've locked it in Eddie - cant back down now

Let 3 champs retire to find the cash

They either make it happen or look completely stupid

 

[Pugsley]

It seems to me connors wants this to be easier than its looking its going to be. I think hes let the cat out of the bag with the contract details and has specifically told pd to say victoria instead of geelong to drive up the $$ from geelong because he knows its unders and it will become a shit fight.

Nice pun [emoji106]

 

[jenny61_99]

I think there is only a small chance gfc will walk away after courting the Dangerfields & promising they would get him home. Suits me if they do as there will be chance he will stay... But I'm extremely doubtful.

Agree the cats have a major list management problem. Have the most 30+ players in the afl who need replacing over the next few years, some promising youngsters, but a real gap in quality mid age players which are the ones which usually carry a side. Makes your decision to chase danger stranger from a list pov as wrong position on the clock.

Bottom line is your list problems are not our problem & won't diminish the value we are after.

Perhaps we could throw in some fringe mid age players to help in the meanwhile - Eg mackay, van berlo &/or Wright.

Maybe offer all three? They've got 8 spots to fill apparently.

 

[jenny61_99]

Afagan@afc.com.au

No caps.

afagan@afc.com.au

 

[Pugsley]

No caps.

afagan@afc.com.au

No need to yell at him [emoji4]

 

[scalesofjustice]

Some amazing delusion from Cats fans in this thread.

Once the Crows match (and they will) they will hold all the aces. Not Geelong, not Danger. The Crows.

Geelong lose all bargaining power and they will either pay up big time to get Dangerfield to the club or they wont get him at all.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Ok, you're saying there is a real possibility of Adelaide getting nothing,and Geelong having to give up nothing. You do realise if Adelaide match, this becomes a normal trade situation dealing with an un contracted player that has nominated a club.

So are you also trolling the Carlton board saying "don't stand in our way as there is a real possibility we will get Henderson for nothing"? Think before you type *******.

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

 

[Allefgib]

No caps.

afagan@afc.com.au

Phone auto correct. Not sure if matters fyi

 

[scalesofjustice]

We don't want him that badly. Cockatoo could be better than danger and have 12 years at the cats. danger only has 6 years left to go at max. how come you guys don't get that?

Cockatoo LOL

Would not be in the top 50 under 21's n the AFL. Has no chance of being as star let alone ever becoming a player anywhere near Dangerfield level.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I'd love to know what the "extraordinary reasons" Danger has to move back to Moggs are, according to Rooch.

Or more likely, Rooch doesn't know the meaning of the word "extraordinary".

 

[Biscut]

Allefgib does a post like this count as trolling or are people with low IQs allowed to post garbage?

Surely a non-crows supporter should atleast demonstrate a working knowledge of how trading an uncontracted player works rather than this drivel.[/QUOTE

Your assuming he and geelong will agree to a trade. If that trade is deemed to muck, danger can walk to the draft for nothing. The nothing bit is what the crows end up with. If you guys demand too much, and from reading this thread that might be the case, he walks away from the crows end of story. Where he goes, nobody knows!

 

[TheLeftFist8]

If the 2 first rounders are a given, would we entertain D Menzel as steak knives to come play with his brother.

Odds are he won't play a game but it could be worth the risk?

My current prediction is the Crows will bend over somewhat and we will get their 1st and 2nd this year and an average player as steak knives. I think we will settle for that so we can get onto other trades but I'd be pretty disappointed with that outcome as it is clearly way unders.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Geelong fans don't think that Carlton, Essendon or especially Collingwood would snap up Danger for nothing in a PSD? Righty-o.

 

[Pugsley]

I'd love to know what the "extraordinary reasons" Danger has to move back to Moggs are, according to Rooch.

Or more likely, Rooch doesn't know the meaning of the word "extraordinary".

He does. He is extra ordinary.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take will take. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

Haha, good luck trying that.

Why should we give a toss over GFC and Danger's wishes if they deliberately try to shaft us?! Of course a club will pick him in the draft because even if he's dumb enough to stand out of footy for a year (his choice and no way is it restraint of trade…it's the conditions of entering the draft which is his choice by not signing an Adelaide contract and the club he wants to go to obviously not wanting him enough to pay for him). By spending a pick this year, a club gets Danger and if he chucks the sads they trade him next year whilst he is still contracted and they make a tidy profit of turning one pick into at least 2!

In the end Geelong won't pay his full value but they will need to get in the same ballpark or Fagan will tell them to GAGF with the full support of the AFC membership.

 

[jenny61_99]

There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take will take. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to match or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.

Adelaide Football club will NOT be rolling over for Geelong or PD. You want PD, you pay adequately for him, or he goes into the PSD. It's quite simple.