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People, stop crapping on about history as a determinate of future success. Football doesn't care what you did yesterday, there are so many examples of that it's not funny. If recently successful AFL clubs are thinking they're all cool because of yesterday then they'll end up the next Kodak of the AFL.
 

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Lawrst said:
How many of those come in if the hawks didn't win in 08 and have been a top team since 10?
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Exactly. The Hawks only became a destination club after they got awesome. And they got awesome through an insane group of very high draft picks.
 
Connoisseur said:
They've traded for Frawley, Lake, Hale, Gibson, Burgoyne, McEvoy, you're very own Gunston, etc, etc, etc, etc...

So no, their team is not solely built through the draft, not even close to that being true.
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Their framework or core as you could say was a bunch of draftees. Hodge, Roughead, Lewis, Mitchell, Rioli, Smith, Birchall, Buddy while he was there abd a few others were all drafted by the Hawks. They then traded smartly to complement that core with players that they targetted for a specific role and that would fit their structures well.
 
manboob said:
In 25 years 14 finals 7 GF and 3 flags. we get it done. The premiership window/clock is rubbish just because we've been up doesn't mean we can't get there again quickly. When you're drafting blokes like Enright and Gregson at pick 47 you can see we do things a bit differently.
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Similar record to Brisbane then.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Their framework or core as you could say was a bunch of draftees. Hodge, Roughead, Lewis, Mitchell, Rioli, Smith, Birchall, Buddy while he was there abd a few others were all drafted by the Hawks. They then traded smartly to complement that core with players that they targetted for a specific role and that would fit their structures well.
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They haven't drafted a star since Cyril in 07. Had a look through their list and considering those guys you mentioned plus the ring-ins like Burgoyne and Lake, won't be there in a couple of years, they might be in a bit of trouble soon.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Their framework or core as you could say was a bunch of draftees. Hodge, Roughead, Lewis, Mitchell, Rioli, Smith, Birchall, Buddy while he was there abd a few others were all drafted by the Hawks. They then traded smartly to complement that core with players that they targetted for a specific role and that would fit their structures well.
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They also traded for some of the picks that got them those draftees.
 

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*PAF said:
Lost me.
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Unrelated to the draft picks. Yes they traded for those picks, a fair while back now. My point is that they've acquired the elite talent ten years ago, and haven't really ever had to lose anyone other than Buddy over that period, whilst still adding players like Burgoyne, Gunston, Gibson, Frawley, Lake, McEvoy, Hale. Which means the draft hasn't really being able to keep the competition on a level playing field. Whatever the AFL is doing to keep as many teams in contention, isn't working.
 
Bovo said:
Anyway.....enough about the Hawks. Who reckons Danger will win our B&F tonight? I reckon he is a shoe in.
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It's relevant, how do we get to that point when we trade Danger this year? Do we draft players from the two first rounder we get from the Cats or do we get guys like Bennell and Redden.
I hope he doesn't win the B and F.
 
creme_fraiche said:
Rory Laird and Eddie Betts might disagree with you.

Laird should for mine. Most consistent performer all year.
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Laird has been bloody awesome. I would definitely not be upset if he got it. Same with Betts!!
 
manboob said:
In 25 years 14 finals 7 GF and 3 flags. we get it done. The premiership window/clock is rubbish just because we've been up doesn't mean we can't get there again quickly. When you're drafting blokes like Enright and Gregson at pick 47 you can see we do things a bit differently.
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Are you mental? Every club has stories of guns they've picked up late in the draft.

Chris Grant, James Hird, Robbie Gray, Dane Swan and our own Rory Sloane I thought in the small time it took me to take a dump.
 
1990crow said:
It's relevant, how do we get to that point when we trade Danger this year? Do we draft players from the two first rounder we get from the Cats or do we get guys like Bennell and Redden.
I hope he doesn't win the B and F.
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Does anyone know what the draft is going to be like next year? It is supposedly a shallow draft this year.....if it is a good one, it may make sense to use this years pick on established and next years on a player from the draft.....
 

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1990crow said:
Unrelated to the draft picks. Yes they traded for those picks, a fair while back now. My point is that they've acquired the elite talent ten years ago, and haven't really ever had to lose anyone other than Buddy over that period, whilst still adding players like Burgoyne, Gunston, Gibson, Frawley, Lake, McEvoy, Hale. Which means the draft hasn't really being able to keep the competition on a level playing field. Whatever the AFL is doing to keep as many teams in contention, isn't working.
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Yep the Hawks have done well and haven't been scared to trade for players.
Many of the ones you mentioned weren't exactly at the Dangerfield levels when the Hawks went for them. However they did fit the profile they needed to boost their team and it worked.
You can add another 3 ex port players to that list in Dew, Guerra and Gilham.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Their framework or core as you could say was a bunch of draftees. Hodge, Roughead, Lewis, Mitchell, Rioli, Smith, Birchall, Buddy while he was there abd a few others were all drafted by the Hawks. They then traded smartly to complement that core with players that they targetted for a specific role and that would fit their structures well.
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Lots of other club discards that had the traits Hawthorn wanted ......great team not individuals ....which showed when Buddy left

In fact the club tried to be less dependant on Buddy .....whilst we have become very dependent on Dangerfield ....look what happened to Freo in same situation when he got injured

Walsh was right .....team first
 
I will be forever in your debt if someone can post a working link to todays Graham Cornes Dangerfield acritcle. Cheers.
 

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