Traded Chris Yarran [to Richmond for Pick 19]

[davis_756]

Middle first round pick

16 games at an average of 10 touches and half a goal and you want a mid first round pick for him? Not to mention he has only laid 11 tackles total in those 16 games

 

[Blue_Virus]

They do want him, and they do rate him BUT not rated/worth a 1st rounder

He is averaging 4.7 over his career, that is NOT worth a 1st rounder even if he has shown some dash and played a few great games. Overall his output has been average ==> http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/114028/Chris-YARRAN


Betts rates higher than him, yet CFC valued him less!!!

"The goalsneak led the AFL in score assists from 2009-2013 and ranked fifth for scoreboard impact in that time, but Carlton chiefs refused to budge. Instead, they chose to fork out $2.8 million over four years to lure Dale Thomas from Collingwood, but insiders insisted the club could have afforded both."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...350887824?sv=a5829cb56ec2ec770980904ea921d07e

All of a sudden the better impact player wasn't rated yet the more inconsistent player is all of a sudden worth a 1st rounder!??? get realistic here

And why do we want a him you ask?

Well we hope we can get him over and improve his consistency, but that is a HUGE risk on a player that has played with the same consistency over 6 years

Simple as that

The goal posts move regularly, FA was fresh, it has evolved, We would no doubt match Betts offer if he was leaving this season.

Your right yarran is not worth a 1st rounder on performance. The word is he's worth more than 31 but not as high as 18. So where does his value lie? Given he's contracted, any club wanting to remove him from Carlton and put him on their books would have to pay a little over the true market value of yarran 2015.
Obviously the Tigers want him which is where I will direct you back to my original post of offering up 2016 first rounder which should be 15-18 meaning you get him for free this year and don't pay for him until the 2016 season is complete which by then you may feel as though you got a bargain or perhaps even paid true market value for him after all. Also remembering that virtually all carlton players to leave the club in the last couple of years have excelled at their new club.

 

[doona]

If Silvani let's Yarran go for anything less than a 1st rounder even a low at that there'll be hell .
He will be held accountable by members.
Yarran is a quality player and that's the reason why RFC is salivating at getting him on the cheap. He'll have an immediate positive impact on their list.
Silvani will not hand over a playe of his caliber for a 2nd rounder.
RFC have a young talent uncontracted player that's dissatisfied who would be acceptable compensation.
Let's just see how this pans out.
CFC are not compelled to release Yarran for undervalue , next week will be interesting.

Hw would easily take 19, which is not a first rounder. He wouldn't blink twice. A high first rounder 19-25 I think Carlton would take no problems. THere may be an exchange of late picks but....

 

[ReaperX]

Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon.

 

[bmaurizio]

Pick 19 won't cut it, mid 1st perhaps.
However what's really interesting is Ben situation in all is th S and what part he'll play in the embroil?

 

[bmaurizio]

Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon.

Let me know when you have Ben's signature on the dotted line.

 

[davis_756]

So are you suggesting that if Yarran stayed at Carlton and was playing VFL in 2016, that Carlton would then, at the end of 2016, offer Yarran a new deal for 400k per year to continue to retain him beyond 2016?

I'm telling you right now, if Carlton held onto Yarran and he was Northern Blues fodder in 2016, there's no way that clubs would be coming to him at the end of 2016 and offering him much more than a mature rookie spot on their list, and there's DEFINITELY no way that Carlton would be offering the type of contract that would entice the bloke to stay put post-2016 either.

In other words, your question is irrelevant, because it's not realistic.

This situation would be different if Richmond was trying to lure Yarran away, and he was torn between staying or going. But he's not, Yarran's made up his mind that he wants to leave, contract or no contract, and as frustrating as that might be for Carlton, he's nominated the Tigers as his preferred destination.

This situation would also be different if there were multiple suitors for Yarran (which at this stage there aren't), or if Yarran had said "hey guys trade me anywhere I don't care" (which he hasn't).

Carlton don't HAVE to trade him, you're absolutely right. But they're shooting themselves in the foot if they go down that path, because Richmond is not going to budge on giving more than a 2nd round.

And that's not because we don't think Yarran's not worth it (at his best, he probably is worth a 1st round pick), it's simply because of the context of his situation at Carlton.

His value is at an all time low right now, and if you let the rot set in further, the poor bloke might not even find a club at the end of 2016 that's willing to take him, because he'd have fallen so far behind the top tier level of footy by not playing regular AFL, and because he'll be approaching 26 by then as well, so his list of suitors becomes thinner and thinner.

You don't seem to understand that Yarran will be a restricted free agent next year, without tabling an offer you would expect it to at least remain the same and yarran himself would certainly be asking the question if/when other offers come in at 250k.

But the real point here is that why would Yarran himself sulk it up in the VFL rather then bust his balls to impress his next club so that next contract does set him up for life? He won't need encouragement from Carlton to perform this coming year as he will be playing for a contract value. This is where the whole thing goes balls up for tigers fans, all this talk about sulking it up and setting a bad example is nonsense because Yarran himself can't afford to drop potentially 750k off his next contract value.

At the end of the day he will be forced to play and play well which will make our contract offer at least match his current one and his free agency value net us pick 19 or 20-24 depending on finishing position, all of which are in a stronger draft and better picks then richmond are offering.

 

[ReaperX]

If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.

 

[Tigerbob]

It is not passion it is logic, you don't give contracted players an easy out clause just because they see life easier over the fence.

I will fully support wasting a list spot on yarran to play vfl in 2016 if whoever wants him doesn't pony up something that actually has more uses then a piece of toilet paper (In case you were wondering, your 2nd rounder < Toilet Paper). Sometimes you just have to send a message to the playing group that contracts mean something and if you want to walk out on them you aren't going where you want to go.

If all you put on the table is your 2nd round pick you can take it to the bank right now, a trade will not be completed (FACT). In all likelihood, like Bennell, Treloar, etc he will end up at another club while the tigers are still busy trying to buy gold with horse manure.

I love this tough guy approach.

Modern football has passed these ancient tactics by yet the clubs like Carlton and Essendon keep living it. We paid overs for Hampson who I think will still come good, we paid unders for Grigg who's been great for us. It's all relative.

Fact is he's walking out cause the club is a shambles. Hes seen the club get rid of some very good footballers and tumble down that ladder. Whilst his mates go on and dominate.

Contracts are a two way street. When clubs don't honour it, bit rich demanding players do.

Anyway a source inside your club says its a done deal. Our best second rounder gets it done. We will have to wait and see I suppose. Who knows with these sources hey, yep he's employed but how much does he truly know?

I say enjoy the month ahead and promises of getting better, it's the best time of the footballing year for clubs who don't achieve the ultimate.

 

[ReaperX]

The only way Richmond's giving up their 1st rounder is in a deal like I noted above, where we get more than just Yarran.

 

[doona]

If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.

Hahahahaha. Astbury and your first for Redden and Yarran???? I have seen everything in this thread.

 

[davis_756]

I love this tough guy approach.

Modern football has passed these ancient tactics by yet the clubs like Carlton and Essendon keep living it. We paid overs for Hampson who I think will still come good, we paid unders for Grigg who's been great for us. It's all relative.

Fact is he's walking out cause the club is a shambles. Hes seen the club get rid of some very good footballers and tumble down that ladder. Whilst his mates go on and dominate.

Contracts are a two way street. When clubs don't honour it, bit rich demanding players do.

Anyway a source inside your club says its a done deal. Our best second rounder gets it done. We will have to wait and see I suppose. Who knows with these sources hey, yep he's employed but how much does he truly know?

I say enjoy the month ahead and promises of getting better, it's the best time of the footballing year for clubs who don't achieve the ultimate.

When has a club ever sacked a player mid-contract?

You don't have sources, so please stop sprouting nonsense

 

[davis_756]

If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.

Why in the world would we trade yarran for a 8 pick upgrade? Your trade wouldn't even make it past your own club debate before being laughed at

 

[ReaperX]

Hahahahaha. Astbury and your first for Redden and Yarran???? I have seen everything in this thread.

Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?

 

[Mr Magic]

Hw would easily tay 19, which is not a first rounder. He wouldn't blink twice. A high first rounder 19-25 I think Carlton would take no problems. THere may be an exchange of late picks but....

Respectfully, Yarran I do not see as a need. Rather he would be nice to have. He would not be critical which is why getting Yarran next year in 2016 should not be a problem.

 

[theteamtobeat]

If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.

So we give up a contracted Redden for a second round pick. That's not going to happen. We can get Adelaide's pick 13 for Redden.

 

[Mr Magic]

Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?

Because he is FA in 2016. Eg its too much for Redden.

How about Redden and Yarran in 2016? What is the problem with this?

 

[ReaperX]

So we give up a contracted Redden for a second round pick. That's not going to happen.

Well no, for Astbury and a 2nd round pick, but it'd be Carlton's 2nd rounder, which is like pick #20.

 

[Carl]

If we got Brisbane involved in a 3-way deal, and then we did something like this:

Brisbane - Redden
Carlton - Yarran, 2nd rounder
Richmond - Astbury, 1st rounder

Brisbane gain Astbury, 2nd rounder from Carlton
Carlton gain 1st round from Richmond
Richmond gain Yarran, Redden.

That would probably make everybody happy.

That in essence means Brisbane are losing Redden, and getting a 2nd round pick + Astbury for their tall stocks, Carlton are losing Yarran and getting a 1st round pick, and Richmond are losing Astbury and their pick #12, for Yarran and Redden.

In essence Yarran and pick 20 don't = pick 12.

 

[doona]

Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?

FACT: Redden's preferred destination is West Coast Eagles. He stated that for a fact!

From an outsiders perspective:

Redden: pick 15 to 25
Yarran: 18 to 25
Astbury: 30+

So from a richmond perspective, you make out like bandits. Brisbane get done with a pineapple, and Carlton get a fair trade.

PS. Redden is from South Australia get your FACTS straight maybe next time

 

[ReaperX]

Why in the world would we trade yarran for a 8 pick upgrade? Your trade wouldn't even make it past your own club debate before being laughed at

If there was ever any deal done involving Richmond's 1st rounder, Carlton's 2nd rounder would be involved as well mate.

Yarran + Carl 2nd rounder for Rich's 1st and 3rd rounder perhaps?

Either way, you sneaky little critters simply aren't getting a pure "player for pick" swap, you will be giving us picks back if we're parting with a 1st rounder.

 

[Toadvine]

When has a club ever sacked a player mid-contract?

You don't have sources, so please stop sprouting nonsense

Ummmmm... A quick google and you'll find these examples.

"The Blues terminated Bootsma’s contract after discussions with his manager and the AFL Players’ Association."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-on-social-media/story-fni5f5nx-1226941559031


"MELBOURNE has delisted injury-plagued midfielder Michael Evans, even though he has one year remaining on his contract."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/evans-in-a-pickle

 

[Blue_Virus]

Carlton supporters are genuinely delusional on here, it's remarkable haha.

The actual CFC are smarter than your average Carlton bluebagger though, they know it's untenable for Yarran to be on the list in 2016, and they'll get a deal done. They have every right to posture a bit in the early stages, which I don't begrudge them of, it would be no good if they just immediately accepted Richmond's offer.

But a deal will get done that sees Yarran in yellow & black in 2016, and that deal will not entail Richmond's 1st round pick, nor will it entail Ben Lennon.

Look at the outcomes individually and point out why they're so crazy?

Redden's seeking a trade back to Victoria - FACT.
Brisbane are interested in Astbury - FACT.
Carlton's 2nd round pick would be something like 19 or 20.

Why is pick 20 + Astbury for Redden so ridiculous?

Think you may have got this FACT wrong.

 

[doona]

Think you may have got this FACT wrong.

Dont let it get in the way of his grand ideas

 

[ReaperX]

FACT: Redden's preferred destination is West Coast Eagles. He stated that for a fact!

From an outsiders perspective:

Redden: pick 15 to 25
Yarran: 18 to 25
Astbury: 30+

So from a richmond perspective, you make out like bandits. Brisbane get done with a pineapple, and Carlton get a fair trade.

PS. Redden is from South Australia get your FACTS straight maybe next time

Ah okay that's fair enough, I was wrong about Redden there, I honestly thought he was Victorian. I'll cop my whack for that one!

Still, it was just an example of a trade anyway, my real point was that Carlton aren't getting a 1st rounder for Yarran unless there's a 3rd party involved somehow.