Traded James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

[Roylion]

True. Not so sure about the dollars though. You'd want balls the size of a rhino to ask for more than what has been speculated(that word again) I honestly think he just didn't/ doesn't know what he wanted/wants. I posted on our board that it wouldn't surprise me if his initial decision was to leave, but the club has grown on him over time. Hence the delay. Again just speculation

Why isn't it as simple as he's testing the market? The moment he re-signs, any other club approaching him with a more lucrative contract is gone. He knows what the minimum is going to be - which is the reported $1.2 million over three years at Brisbane. If that's the highest offer he receives, his manager will most likely advise him to re-sign with the Lions.

He and his manager could also be trying to lever more coin out of Brisbane. For example Collingwood come to the table with a $1.5 million offer over three years and the inquiry is made of Brisbane as to whether they will match that offer. If Brisbane decide not to, then Aish announces he is leaving and nominates Collingwood as his preferred club of choice. If Brisbane match or better that offer, then he re-signs with Brisbane.

Then the trade negotiations begin with Brisbane having the option of sending him to the draft if they believe that what Collingwood can offer is below what the Lions think he is worth.

 

[rusty08]

Why isn't it as simple as he's testing the market? The moment he re-signs, any other club approaching him with a more lucrative contract is gone. He knows what the minimum is going to be - which is the reported $1.2 million over three years at Brisbane. If that's the highest offer he receives, his manager will most likely advise him to re-sign with the Lions.

He and his manager could also be trying to lever more coin out of Brisbane. For example Collingwood come to the table with a $1.5 million offer over three years and the inquiry is made of Brisbane as to whether they will match that offer. If Brisbane decide not to, then Aish announces he is leaving and nominates Collingwood as his preferred club of choice. If Brisbane match or better that offer, then he re-signs with Brisbane.

Then the trade negotiations begin with Brisbane having the option of sending him to the draft if they believe that what Collingwood can offer is below what the Lions think he is worth.

It could be that simple

 

[Schraderbrau]

Why isn't it as simple as he's testing the market? The moment he re-signs, any other club approaching him with a more lucrative contract is gone. He knows what the minimum is going to be - which is the reported $1.2 million over three years at Brisbane. If that's the highest offer he receives, his manager will most likely advise him to re-sign with the Lions.

If this were the case I'd be pretty pissed off if I were Brisbane. He's messed the club about for a season now and still hasn't announced what he wants to do next season. If ,as many Brisbane posters are suggesting, he is merely doing this to test the waters then it's pretty ordinary form imo. It's been a distraction for the club throughout the season and is likely interfering with their preparation for trade week and next season. Why would you want a player who has demonstrated such a clear lack of commitment?

Contrary to media reports, I still think it's unlikely to there next season. Brisbane supporters ought not be disappointed by that outcome providing they get satisfactory compensation.

 

[dlanod]

If this were the case I'd be pretty pissed off if I were Brisbane. He's messed the club about for a season now and still hasn't announced what he wants to do next season. If ,as many Brisbane posters are suggesting, he is merely doing this to test the waters then it's pretty ordinary form imo. It's been a distraction for the club throughout the season and is likely interfering with their preparation for trade week and next season. Why would you want a player who has demonstrated such a clear lack of commitment?

Contrary to media reports, I still think it's unlikely to there next season. Brisbane supporters ought not be disappointed by that outcome providing they get satisfactory compensation.

I think Brisbane supporters are in general over it and haven't gotten too attached to him as a result of his lack of off-field commitment.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I think Brisbane supporters are in general over it and haven't gotten too attached to him as a result of his lack of off-field commitment.

This. The Aish thread on our board is generally pretty relaxed as far as threads about top 10 drafts picks with their foot out the door go.

 

[Gone Critical]

But yeah, why it would take up until the day trade week starts for him to realise he wants to stay does raise many questions.

If you had a gun to your head you'd still bet on him requesting a trade at this point - based purely on the delays and not media speculation.

If so, the biggest gain from his departure from Brisbane's standpoint mightn't necessarily be the trade return but hopefully some AFL action on stemming the rising trend of rookies serving two year apprenticeships before buggering off elsewhere.

No doubt its hard to explain why it has taken so long if he does sign up again. Other maybe than he really couldn't make a decision but that just doesn't seem likely

 

[Gone Critical]

Why isn't it as simple as he's testing the market? The moment he re-signs, any other club approaching him with a more lucrative contract is gone. He knows what the minimum is going to be - which is the reported $1.2 million over three years at Brisbane. If that's the highest offer he receives, his manager will most likely advise him to re-sign with the Lions.

He and his manager could also be trying to lever more coin out of Brisbane. For example Collingwood come to the table with a $1.5 million offer over three years and the inquiry is made of Brisbane as to whether they will match that offer. If Brisbane decide not to, then Aish announces he is leaving and nominates Collingwood as his preferred club of choice. If Brisbane match or better that offer, then he re-signs with Brisbane.

Then the trade negotiations begin with Brisbane having the option of sending him to the draft if they believe that what Collingwood can offer is below what the Lions think he is worth.

Seems too mercenary. His character, as we know it, doesn't seem to fit that senario.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Seems too mercenary. His character, as we know it, doesn't seem to fit that senario.

However, it does fit with pickering. Who just happens to be Aish's manager.

 

[dlanod]

Seems too mercenary. His character, as we know it, doesn't seem to fit that senario.

From the outside looking in he never seems that worked up about football. Could fit with the "just a job" mentality.

 

[Roylion]

Seems too mercenary. His character, as we know it, doesn't seem to fit that senario.

But, as has been said, Aish is being advised by Liam Pickering. His job is to maximise Aish's earning capacity. Re-signing too soon limits his ability to do so. Aish isn't alone in this. Dustin Martin back in 2013 only agreed to re-sign with Richmond just before the opening of trade week, when Richmond told him they needed to know so they could prepare for trade week, knowing what he was doing. It appears Martin re-signed because after testing the market, Richmond provided the offer he and his manager Ralph Carr were happy with.

I don't see the James Aish scenario being too much different. That's not to say he'll stay with the Lions.

Players aren't supporters. Not all of them have a deep emotional attachment to the club they currently play for. Particularly after just two years and when they're from interstate. This is part of the problem for the northern clubs. A far greater proportion of their list is generally from outside their state of location.

 

[Gone Critical]

But, as has been said, Aish is being advised by Liam Pickering. His job is to maximise Aish's earning capacity. Re-signing too soon limits his ability to do so. Aish isn't alone in this. Dustin Martin back in 2013 only agreed to re-sign with Richmond just before the opening of trade week, when Richmond told him they needed to know so they could prepare for trade week, knowing what he was doing. It appears Martin re-signed because after testing the market, Richmond provided the offer he and his manager Ralph Carr were happy with.

I don't see the James Aish scenario being too much different. That's not to say he'll stay with the Lions.

Players aren't supporters. Not all of them have a deep emotional attachment to the club they currently play for. Particularly after just two years and when they're from interstate. This is part of the problem for the northern clubs. A far greater proportion of their list is generally from outside their state of location.

That is a good example. Suppose its the world we live in now. Its also a very short term view in a way. One of the things a good manager would do is open the big picture for his client. Benefits of long term career at one club etc etc. Think about how you may want to remain in the industry etc

Remember reading Jack Dyers book years ago where he said he got some advice from an older player early in his career when in hindsight he was getting pretty fond of himself. Told him to make sure he said hello to everyone on the way up because he might be looking for a few hellos on the way down.

Probably bit old fashioned but there is still a bit to the adage you reap what you sow.

 

[Cleric]

Pickering is meeting with Brisbane now to tell them of James decision. Adelaide big knobs were in Brisbane yesterday meeting with him?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Pickering is meeting with Brisbane now to tell them of James decision.

Source? All other word seems to be that it is going down tomorrow.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Pickering is meeting Schwab today was reported and the public will know the decision tomorrow.

So Cleric might be correct, though it wasn't reported that Pickering would give Schwab a definite decision so it's still all speculation as per usual.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Pickering is meeting Schwab today was reported and the public will know the decision tomorrow.

So Cleric is probably correct.

Hmm, I dont know how these things work in practice but you'd think if Aish was re-signing he'd be at the meeting.

If it's just Pickering and Schwab, you'd think it would be to request a trade.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Hmm, I dont know how these things work in practice but you'd think if Aish was re-signing he'd be at the meeting.

If it's just Pickering and Schwab, you'd think it would be to request a trade.

Is Aish still in Bali or not back home yet?

I mean everything Aish has done so far has gone through Pickering, I don't see much changing now.

I'm tired of this guessing game, so many options could be being played out right now - tomorrow is going to be a relief either way.

 

[blueiris]

Pickering is meeting Schwab today was reported and the public will know the decision tomorrow.

So Cleric is might be correct, though it wasn't reported that Pickering would give Schwab a definite decision so it's still all speculation as per usual.

I really don't see the point of a meeting unless Aish has made a decision on what club he wants to play for next year Schwab said we should know by Friday I took that as we should know by Friday what club he wants to be at in 2016

 

[Toffee Lion]

I really don't see the point of a meeting unless Aish has made a decision on what club he wants to play for next year Schwab said we should know by Friday

Well the way the report has been worded is:

Aish’s manager Liam Pickering confirmed on Wednesday he would meet Brisbane talent acquisition and retention manager Peter Schwab on Thursday, and a decision was likely by Friday.

I assume that's subtle code that Pickering will tell Schwab tonight of Aish's decision, only Aish, Schwab & Pickering will know the answer until Friday when the Lions can announce whether Aish has decided to stay or depart the Lions.

Again, that is just my belief.

 

[iBeng]

All this waiting makes Beng something something...

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Has requested a trade to Collingwood.

 

[Cleric]

If he is staying why the need for the fan fair? Just ring and say "yeah mate ill be in on Thursday to sign the contract".

 

[Apex36]

Has requested a trade to Collingwood.

Sauce?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Has requested a trade to the Pies.

Will be interesting to see how we play this. Lethal's comment kinda puts us in a tough spot.

 

[Stifler's mom]

Has requested a trade to Collingwood.

Pretty obvious to all I would have thought.

Clever kid.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Sauce?

Lions have announced it.