Traded James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

[TW Sherrin]

Staker was traded for Pick 39 and played 50 games for the Lions, before retiring.
West was traded for Pick 41 and has played 12 games for the club. 27 years old he is still on the Lions list.

I wouldn't call them successes. each to their own.

 

[ItsGameTime]

We managed to turn the 5 going home trades to the following bolded ones. Talent identification is not an issue for us, retention is.

In the list below, everyone bar Aish have re-signed. We are doing ok.


Brisbane Lions AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2013 2013 AFL Draft Summary
Type Round Pick Player Current Team Games Since Drafted *
National 1 7 James Aish Brisbane 32
National 2 22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 25
National 2 25 Daniel McStay Brisbane 29
National 2 28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane 44
National 2 33 Tom Cutler Brisbane 18
National 2 34 Nicholas Robertson Brisbane 20
National 4 62 Jonathan Freeman Brisbane 10
National 5 75 Rookie Promotion Justin Clarke Brisbane 42

Not really referring to that either.

More so Leigh Matthews comments. If you wanted improvement in your team, I think it would be wise to trade for something worth it. Unfortunately, Brisbane are prepared to lose him for nothing which makes me question their own trade philosophy of not trading younger players.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm not sure where you're getting that we're taking the piss with our offers because there has been no official one, not even a journalist claiming to have the inside word on what we've offered.

I said "if". I didn't say they were. My point being that we are covered in both situations.

 

[TerryWallet]

Just running through a few pages from earlier.

Roylion and BrownDog are unemotionally toying with the emotional Pies and their faux moral outrages.

 

[dlanod]

Nice padding. You didn't recruit beams or Christenson. Robinson was a gamble that's worked. Staker and West?

Huh? Christensen could have gone to any club. Robinson was a target and we outbid Richmond for him (admittedly I thought that was a mistake at the time). Staker's had a injury-prone last two years but he's been pretty damn good prior to that, but because he played for us he was largely anonymous . West looked good last year but it's a bit of a wash. The main misses were Fev (on-field great, off-field we gave up way too much and failed to turn him around) and Lisle (pick 30 or so). Xav Clarke and Buchanan were nothing trades that played out as nothing for nothing.

 

[ItsGameTime]

Yeah, our lack of forward targets have really hurt us. Staker was good but then he's spent most of the last two years injured. Maguane even more so. The less said about Fev the better, and at least Lisle was cheap. Hopefully Schache finally improves that story.



Yeah, that's an assumption made by Andrew Hamilton, who's got the credibility of a Hagdorn or Rucci, but probably on target.

In saying that, I do believe they will discuss a trade. The question would be if anything eventuates out of it.

I wouldn't say it would happen but I also wouldn't say it won't happen. If the right offer comes in, it may just work out.

 

[mpal6]

Not really referring to that either.

More so Leigh Matthews comments. If you wanted improvement in your team, I think it would be wise to trade for something worth it. Unfortunately, Brisbane are prepared to lose him for nothing which makes me question their own trade philosophy of not trading younger players.

we are trying to get that improvement by retaining Aish. Even better outcome for us.

 

[blueiris]

Second rounder plus Oxley should be enough to get it done, native Queenslander who will automatically be best 22 plus a chance at a promising youngster

So a player we could get for nothing who we are not even linked too and 2nd round pick yeah that seems fair

 

[Roylion]

Isn't it Aish that chooses if he'll enter the PSD or not?

Sure is. Or else he chooses to re-sign with the Brisbane Lions.

He's uncontracted so BFC has very little say in it.

Wasn't that my point? If Brisbane don't enter into a trade for Aish before the end of the trade period, what would you say the options for Aish are?

Surely pushing players into the PSD is against the AFLPA's charter?

Where does it say so in the collective bargaining agreement between the AFL and the AFLPA?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Because Pert had heard your club out first, and you weren't offering enough.

That's nice. But as I have probably said about 8 times already, this situation isn't about just a trade between Brisbane and Collingwood, and our strategy reflects that.

If Collingwood supporters keep trying to see this as purely about them, they will continue to baffled. That's fine, but it's getting a bit tiring having to keep going over the same old ground. Best just put up your feet and see where it ends up. That's certainly where my head is at.

 

[mpal6]

Huh? Christensen could have gone to any club. Robinson was a target and we outbid Richmond for him (admittedly I thought that was a mistake at the time). Staker's had a injury-prone last two years but he's been pretty damn good prior to that, but because he played for us he was largely anonymous . West looked good last year but it's a bit of a wash. The main misses were Fev (on-field great, off-field we gave up way too much and failed to turn him around) and Lisle (pick 30 or so). Xav Clarke and Buchanan were nothing trades that played out as nothing for nothing.

Shock, horror, hometruths.
"Crazy Vossy sold the farm and set Brisbane back by 100 years".. am I still allowed to use this ?

 

[ItsGameTime]

we are trying to get that improvement by retaining Aish. Even better outcome for us.

Do you think there is a large chance of retaining him? Just from my point of view, it is very low chance.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to the draft at the end of it all and Brisbane loses him for nothing. It's just the risk that can hurt them even more.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Huh? Christensen could have gone to any club. Robinson was a target and we outbid Richmond for him (admittedly I thought that was a mistake at the time). Staker's had a injury-prone last two years but he's been pretty damn good prior to that, but because he played for us he was largely anonymous . West looked good last year but it's a bit of a wash. The main misses were Fev (on-field great, off-field we gave up way too much and failed to turn him around) and Lisle (pick 30 or so). Xav Clarke and Buchanan were nothing trades that played out as nothing for nothing.

Christenson left the state and we all know why.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Because Aish would agree with that

Something something Mitch Clark something something...

 

[Roylion]

I wouldn't call them successes. each to their own.

Did I say they were successes?

Staker was serviceable with 50 games. West is coming off a knee reconstruction. At 27 years of age, why don't we give West three or four more seasons to ascertain whether or not he was a success for the Lions.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Shock, horror, hometruths.
"Crazy Vossy sold the farm and set Brisbane back by 100 years".. am I still allowed to use this ?

Ironically Voss appeared to have them heading in the right direction (finally) when he got the ass.

 

[mpal6]

Honestly though, do you think there is a large chance of retaining him? Just from my point of view, it is very low chance.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to the draft at the end of it all and Brisbane loses him for nothing. It's just the risk that can hurt them even more.

Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.

 

[HFF]

Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.

With all due respect there's no chance of retaining him. His manager's words suggest he is out the door.

It's like us last season with Beams. Sure he was contracted which is a little different but there was no chance of "rolling the dice" and thinking him staying was really a viable option.
Players that don't want to be there are not retained.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Christenson left the state and we all know why.

Haha still persisting with the ridiculous Lonergan story. Even the last desperate few remaining who were clinging on to that rubbish would have known it wasn't true when they saw how warmly Christensen was embraced by his teammates after the Brisbane/Geelong game this year.

It's stunning how it's Collingwood supporters who seem to desperate to keep that rumour alive.

Christensen needed to get away from his gambling buddies in Geelong and Lara. His lovely partner has helped him turn his life around.

 

[1892]

We managed to turn the 5 going home trades to the following bolded ones. Talent identification is not an issue for us, retention is.

In the list below, everyone bar Aish have re-signed. We are doing ok.


Brisbane Lions AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2013 2013 AFL Draft Summary
Type Round Pick Player Current Team Games Since Drafted *
National 1 7 James Aish Brisbane 32
National 2 22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 25
National 2 25 Daniel McStay Brisbane 29
National 2 28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane 44
National 2 33 Tom Cutler Brisbane 18
National 2 34 Nicholas Robertson Brisbane 20
National 4 62 Jonathan Freeman Brisbane 10
National 5 75 Rookie Promotion Justin Clarke Brisbane 42

Jackson Paine?

He was a straight swap for Karnezis.

 

[ItsGameTime]

Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.

Just the way I see it, he will be in a Carlton jumper next year. I don't think Brisbane will deal and I think he will walk out for nothing.

Sad result but most likely outcome.

 

[dlanod]

Christenson left the state and we all know why.

Between me and you that still leaves GWS, Gold Coast, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, West Coast and Fremantle.

 

[Doctor Bombay]

Well, it kinda does,

Turn it up..... Without Danger on their list they're in a position to offer more money gets back to his home state with family & friends......

I smell a bit of a Pickering scam..

 

[dlanod]

Jackson Paine?

He was a straight swap for Karnezis.

We took what we got offered there, and we got offered nothing else. I'm not sure that can really be argued for or against talent identification. We didn't target him, Buckley basically pushed him out the door.

 

[mpal6]

Jackson Paine?

He was a straight swap for Karnezis.

Trying to erase both of them from my memory