Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[Art Vandelay_]

I think that Duncan was going to be A grade this year until he was injured. I agree with the others

Apart from that bizarre two weeks on the Hill brothers yeah he really looked the part before injury and no coincidence we improved once he returned.

 

[BlightysCats]

That's because he gives them every answer they want, and I mean literally every answer. So if they ask him something like 'you struggled in contested possessions tonight and have for a while now, any answers?' He'll say something like 'we've got a young midfield and players we're developing in there which presents us with a challenge at times with contested possessions and other areas in the game as well but having said that we also think when those players are at their best they can compete with anyone.' He's always saying stuff like 'having said that,' 'it would be remiss of me to say,' or 'but we also think,' to use as connecting phrases for ultimately pretty contradictory statements. He's smart how he handles the media because he gives them negative and positive statements within all his answers which means any angle they want to take on Geelong that game they have quotes presented by him to help support their view of the contest....So why would they be critical of him?
That's why I said before he insults the intelligence of supporters and the footy public with his answers because really he says a lot in his press conferences but there is no definitive meaning or answer behind any of it, sometimes I'd appreciate some earnest answers about issues with in the game or season that are concerning a lot of supporters.

 

[JUBJUB]

No, because I usually take his posts as expressions of humour, rather than a serious attempt to assert his opinion as being superior to others.

Nor have I seen him assume to know the thoughts of every other poster, and be derisive of them collectively because of that assumption.

If I thought he were doing that repetitively, then yes, I would question him.

Well said Cataholic

 

[BlightysCats]

No, because I usually take his posts as expressions of humour

Others however could take them in the way Partridge explained? You see we all find different things annoying on here and everybody whether they like it or not expresses their opinions and forces their point of view on others in one way or another sometimes obviously sometimes subtly, I just think it's a reality of BigFooty that people need to deal with.

 

[vinum coupe]

Right now, Scott is in the top 4 of spin doctors in the league.
And Cook may have been smart in employing him to protect brand with the inevitable ladder drop.

But in 2016, Scott will be judged by supporters on results.
I hope he realises it.

 

[Cataholic]

Others however could take them in the way Partridge explained? You see we all find different things annoying on here and everybody whether they like it or not expresses their opinions and forces their point of view on others in one way or another sometimes obviously sometimes subtly, I just think it's a reality of BigFooty that people need to deal with.

Can't argue with any of that.

Perception is unique. Get 10 people to watch a scene, or listen to a comment, and often as not, you'll get near 10 different interpretations.

I often re-read, ponder and consider posts to try and reason, understand, what it is the author is trying to say, before responding.

Do I get it right? Most times probably not.

But it makes for passionate, robust debate, which is great as long as it doesn't get personal.

 

[Go Hoops]

Right now, Scott is in the top 4 of spin doctors in the league.
And Cook may have been smart in employing him to protect brand with the inevitable ladder drop.

But in 2016, Scott will be judged by supporters on results.
I hope he realises it.

Thankfully the supporters opinions will have little to do with his tenure. Particularly some of the nuffies here. And your take on Cook is mind numbingly stupid.

 

[BlightysCats]

Can't argue with any of that.

Perception is unique. Get 10 people to watch a scene, or listen to a comment, and often as not, you'll get near 10 different interpretations.

I often re-read, ponder and consider posts to try and reason, understand, what it is the author is trying to say, before responding.

Do I get it right? Most times probably not.

But it makes for passionate, robust debate, which is great as long as it doesn't get personal.

Great post! As for that last bit in bold it's great to see Go Hoops post above.

 

[vinum coupe]

Thankfully the supporters opinions will have little to do with his tenure. Particularly some of the nuffies here. And your take on Cook is mind numbingly stupid.

Ha ha, you don't think that supporters (I.e the 1,000 corporate contributors of 10 mil) wield any pressure?
Wow.

Media and social media is just too strong now.
Build up a big enough resistance, questions start getting asked everywhere.

Thanks for the balanced input.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Thankfully the supporters opinions will have little to do with his tenure. Particularly some of the nuffies here. And your take on Cook is mind numbingly stupid.

In a way you're right, what the fans think is largely irrelevant. They can gauge the dominant mood of the fan base but decisions should not be made based predominantly off what us as fans think as we often act emotionally about football, whereas they'd be more inclined to be clinical and methodical in their approach.

The day us fans rule the decision making process of the GFC through social media is the day I cease to be a member, we get our say at the agm every year. That's enough.

It's what the club powerbrokers and board think that matters and if they by the end of 2017 think he (as with any staff member) is doing well enough he'll be renewed in his role. Otherwise we'll get someone else.

 

[you pick one]

Ha ha, you don't think that supporters (I.e the 1,000 corporate contributors of 10 mil) wield any pressure?
Wow.

Media and social media is just too strong now.
Build up a big enough resistance, questions start getting asked everywhere.

Thanks for the balanced input.

If you meant corporate sponsors why not say that?

 

[Catgirl]

Every club has to include financial ramifications in their decisions. For better or worse it's just how things are now.

And no one has stated otherwise. Being a club of high integrity and moral value, I personally doubt we will go into the 2017 season with an overwhelming mindset of "the only reason we're keeping him on is so we don't have to pay out his contract". That sort of halfassery is not acceptable at a professional football club, where it is seen and remains to be seen that a healthy club culture and attitude is integral. If executives at the club adopt such a negative perception of the club's direction under the influence of one man, it will catch onto the players too. From there it is likely that a Blues-Malthouse scenario will eventuate, where tensions and mistrusts will form between players and coach, and that is the last hindrance we want affecting a rebuilding list. We need to raise our crop to respect their authority, and value respect. Prior to round 4 2007, many of our players would state this is one thing our group had particularly lacked.

Our staff will go into the 2017 season, regardless of our 2016 performance, with complete faith in Chris Scott until the final siren of our final game for the year, and from there they will make their decision. I'm in no position to assume his future with Geelong, hell I wouldn't say the man himself is. Scott is not proven and this is something he has the perfect opportunity to change in 2016.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Ha ha, you don't think that supporters (I.e the 1,000 corporate contributors of 10 mil) wield any pressure?
Wow.

Media and social media is just too strong now.
Build up a big enough resistance, questions start getting asked everywhere.

Thanks for the balanced input.

Thing is at Geelong we have 2 people who are viewed as god like figures by most supporters, Brian Cook and our former president Frank Costa.

If they support Chris Scott than so will most Geelong supporters.

 

[Cronin]

I'm not particularly anti Scott - probably have splinters in my bum from sitting on the fence.

But I do think that this is a fair statement. My concern about his coaching has been the apparent lack of a Plan B, or an effective response to tactical moves by the opposing coach.

(See 13' QF against Fremantle)

 

[Catgirl]

I thought winning a premiership in his first year means he is proven.
Am I mistaken to believe such a thing?

I would say so. I would say my Turkish-speaking grandma could have come in to lead the list we had in 2011 and would have won the premiership. Our players were every bit as responsible for that year as any of our coaches. 2011 did not win Scott coaching credentials, however it did show what he can do with a PROVEN group of players at his disposal. He can prove himself with our current crop of UNPROVEN players; that is how you distinguish the best from the rest. That's what put Alistair Clarkson and Bomber Thompson head and shoulders above every coach of their time.

 

[Cataholic]

I thought winning a premiership in his first year means he is proven.
Am I mistaken to believe such a thing?

Well, I haven't heard anyone say that.

I've heard some say it means he did a good job that particular year, but I doubt anyone believes it has irrefutably 'proven' him in the long term.

So yeah, I think you would be mistaken believing that.

 

[vinum coupe]

Thing is at Geelong we have 2 people who are viewed as god like figures by most supporters, Brian Cook and our former president Frank Costa.

If they support Chris Scott than so will most Geelong supporters.

On the contrary, if Scott starts to fail, people will start questioning the board.
And boards back self interest. Always have.

 

[candiehappy]

Thing is at Geelong we have 2 people who are viewed as god like figures by most supporters, Brian Cook and our former president Frank Costa.

I think that you are overlooking Gazza ...

 

[Partridge]

Ha ha, you don't think that supporters (I.e the 1,000 corporate contributors of 10 mil) wield any pressure?
Wow.

I heard a few sponsors having very strained conversations with Brian Cook after the 2008 Grand Final. Made for interesting listening.

 

[Frappe]

I heard a few sponsors having very strained conversations with Brian Cook after the 2008 Grand Final. Made for interesting listening.

At the ground or after party?

 

[vinum coupe]

I heard a few sponsors having very strained conversations with Brian Cook after the 2008 Grand Final. Made for interesting listening.

Mate, my old boss was called into a breakfast with him, joseph, and (gee I can't remember the other guy).
But it was in Lygon street at 7 am or so.
They were asking for another 100k.
He was smart enough to pass. But if he didn't. And the club was failing after. Do people really believe he didn't have a say?

 

[BlightysCats]

I would say so. I would say my Turkish-speaking grandma could have come in to lead the list we had in 2011 and would have won the premiership. Our players were every bit as responsible for that year as any of our coaches. 2011 did not win Scott coaching credentials, however it did show what he can do with a PROVEN group of players at his disposal. He can prove himself with our current crop of UNPROVEN players; that is how you distinguish the best from the rest. That's what put Alistair Clarkson and Bomber Thompson head and shoulders above every coach of their time.

Bobby's post was a piss take post, I don't think you understood his sarcastic tone. Regardless it was a pretty good response.

 

[David the Cat]

Others however could take them in the way Partridge explained? You see we all find different things annoying on here and everybody whether they like it or not expresses their opinions and forces their point of view on others in one way or another sometimes obviously sometimes subtly, I just think it's a reality of BigFooty that people need to deal with.

Yes.

 

[Partridge]

At the ground or after party?

After party.

 

[BlightysCats]

Yes.

I can't believe you liked one of my posts! That's my David the Cat quota of likes done for the year then...