Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*

[Thrawn]

I would be very disappointed if it turned out that Snoke guy was running things the whole time, and had made Palpy his puppet.

 

[exe ex machina]

Copy-paste job again, but interesting as always...

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A couple of things I gained by reading the TFA novel about Rey....and I should add Rey was my favourite character in the movie....

In the vision scene Rey remembers the voice saying "I'll come back, sweetheart, I promise". Doesn't sound like something Kylo would say.

The novel suggests that Rey may have used the Dark Side or at least was tempted by it during the final battle with Kylo.

Here is the passage:
"“One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. The landing lights of a shuttle appeared in the distance, coming over the trees in her direction. She had to make a decision, now.
Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick.
She recoiled from it. From the dark side.

Also of note is that on top of the line that remained in the movie of Kylo saying "What girl?" which somewhat suggested he may have an idea of who she is, there are two other quotes that were not included in the movie from the novel that pretty much confirm Kylo and Snoke know who she is:

“Taken aback, he whirled—to see the weapon land in the hand of a girl standing by a tree. Rey appeared equally shocked that her reach for the device had exceeded his. She gazed down at the weapon now resting in her grip.
“It is you,” Ren murmured.
His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did about herself."

“Furious as he was, Snoke knew there was nothing he could do. So many plans so carefully laid, so many intentions that must now go unfulfilled…
“You will leave Starkiller at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. Leave immediately.” He added grimly, “It appears that he may have been right about the girl.”

I would suggest people to read the novel, it is a quick read and of course you can always skim the less important stuff. It allows you to read more of the thoughts from the characters to get a better sense of what they are about and thinking at different times in the movie.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I would be very disappointed if it turned out that Snoke guy was running things the whole time, and had made Palpy his puppet.

You're just disappointed that you aren't in it.

 

[Thrawn]

You're just disappointed that you aren't in it.

Well, ah... I...

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Well, ah... I...

I'm disappointed too, Jason Isaacs was born to play thrawn.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...e-force-awakens-theory-has-the-ultimate-twist

Written poorly, but interesting

 

[Janus]

Finally seen it, and it looked terrific on the big screen. I was a bit disappointed in it because the whole thing was pretty much a remake of A New Hope. Nothing new in it, and lacked a bit of depth that exists in the originals. I still enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by it.

This is a common misconception because it resonates with what you've seen before so well. "Oh, this looks familiar." It's only when you see it the second time that you start noticing the differences in pacing and the interactions between characters are completely different. It's actually got elements of A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi in it, as well as it's own story with Finn.

 

[Lethality]

The bad reviews are coming through now.

 

[Ry009]

This is a common misconception because it resonates with what you've seen before so well. "Oh, this looks familiar." It's only when you see it the second time that you start noticing the differences in pacing and the interactions between characters are completely different. It's actually got elements of A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi in it, as well as it's own story with Finn.

The pacing is noticeable the first time, that's the true reason the Prequels aren't popular because you never have time to breathe in-between the big action scenes (I still enjoyed them and don't have the hatred 90% of the viewing population do) that's why people enjoyed this straight off the bat because you truly got to see what they were all about. Like Luke, you're actually cheering them along.

The Starkiller base was extremely unimaginative but can be forgiven because it's ultimately only background stuff to Rey/Kylo/Finn. It's not massive issue but they certainly could have made a slightly different threat while still resonating with the audience. Every other parallel in the movie is fine but I can understand some of the critisism towards it because it's so blantantly obvious. Regardless though Hux's awesome speech is the lasting image of anything Starkiller base related for mine.

On a sidenote though, has it been answered whether the name has any relation to the Starkiller character in the Force Unleashed games?

 

[Janus]

The bad reviews are coming through now.

You mean the entitled geek reviews that noone gives a shit about, who are desperate for attention because it was fun to bash the prequels for those losers? Let me run the numbers for you:

Biggest opening Friday in the US
Biggest opening weekend in the US, UK, Australia and a number of other countries
Biggest opening weekend worldwide (and that's without China)
Biggest Monday ever in the US, UK and Australia
Biggest Tuesday ever in the US (eclipsing the Amazing Spiderman which OPENED on a Tuesday), UK and Australia
Fastest movie to reach $300m in the US
Fastest movie to reach $600m worldwide

There is the possibility that this movie will rake in $1b just in the US alone. As I said, the only reason anyone posts a completely negative review of this movie is to get attention and a higher viewcount. The word of mouth for The Force Awakens is so positive that any criticism is going to be swept away under a torrent of box office receipts. It has taken 6 days to eclipse what The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2 made worldwide, period.

People love it. It's a shame you don't, but hey, as Freddie Mercury sang, "Jaws was never my scene, and I don't like Star Wars."

 

[Heardy_101]

On a sidenote though, has it been answered whether the name has any relation to the Starkiller character in the Force Unleashed games?

Been wondering the same thing. You can't tell me it's not either inspired or there is some connection.

While it's unlikely, I hope they encounter Starkiller in the next movie, be an interesting twist, given the TFU 1 & 2 are canon.

 

[Janus]

Been wondering the same thing. You can't tell me it's not either inspired or there is some connection.

While it's unlikely, I hope they encounter Starkiller in the next movie, be an interesting twist, given the TFU 1 & 2 are canon.

Um, it was named Starkiller because it, you know, killed stars to get it's energy? Sun = star.

Starkiller was originally what Lucas named the protagonist in A New Hope. He later changed it to Skywalker.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Been wondering the same thing. You can't tell me it's not either inspired or there is some connection.

While it's unlikely, I hope they encounter Starkiller in the next movie, be an interesting twist, given the TFU 1 & 2 are canon.

No they're not. The movies, Rebels and Clone Wars are. As well as the books/comics out this year. That's it.

 

[King Elvis]

I would be very disappointed if it turned out that Snoke guy was running things the whole time, and had made Palpy his puppet.

So would I; really disappointed.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I would be very disappointed if it turned out that Snoke guy was running things the whole time, and had made Palpy his puppet.

That would piss me off. It would cheapen the great Sith!

 

[Nostradumbass]

The bad reviews are coming through now.

Random guy on the net posts his review on Youtube. You're reaching now and embarrassing yourself.

 

[Heardy_101]

Um, it was named Starkiller because it, you know, killed stars to get it's energy? Sun = star.

Starkiller was originally what Lucas named the protagonist in A New Hope. He later changed it to Skywalker.

Starkiller is also the name of the dude you play as in The Force Unleashed

 

[Ry009]

Um, it was named Starkiller because it, you know, killed stars to get it's energy? Sun = star.

Starkiller was originally what Lucas named the protagonist in A New Hope. He later changed it to Skywalker.

Such a distinct name though, but if we're arguing semantics shouldn't it be called Starsystem-Killer or Starskiller then?

 

[Heardy_101]

No they're not. The movies, Rebels and Clone Wars are. As well as the books/comics out this year. That's it.

Well they used to be.

 

[darth_timon]

LOL. Just LOL. It's a Disney film through and through. No Disney logo at the start is a branding choice because they have another 20 Star Wars movies coming and want to push their Lucasfilm brand. Lucasfilm staff may be picking the alien colour designs etc (as the big studio parent companies do almost no literal film production anymore) but every big decision that matters is made by Disney or someone who answers to Disney.

I don't think Disney will overly interfere with the direction of the franchise - they will let people who know about it run it, as they have with the Marvel films.

 

[Janus]

So would I; really disappointed.

When you look at him, he has a scar down his forehead and what looks to be a saber wound from one cheek to another. I think it's more likely that he IS Plagueis. Here's the thought process:

Palpatine was 50 years old at the time of Episode 1. Darth Maul says 'At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge.' That insinuates that the two of them were in the shadows together for some time. Maul would have been recruited at a young age by Palpatine because there is no way that the Jedi would just let a padawan or knight disappear without knowing about it - Dooku is a prime example. So you're probably looking at a time frame of 20 years that Maul and Palpatine were together, plotting and training, putting Palpatine's age at 30. He wouldn't have found Maul straight away, so if you give him 5 years to find a force sensitive strong enough with the dark side to train, that puts him at 25...which is around the age Anakin was when he turned and started talking about how he could overthrow the Emperor, and around the age Ben Solo turned and became Kylo Ren.

So if Palpatine attempts to murder him 25 years before Episode 1, it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that all of Plagueis power went into influencing the midichlorians to sustain life for the time it took him to recover from a would be fatal blow with a lightsaber to the head. Palpatine had maneuvered events so that he had the entire Empire and Darth Vader at his disposal, so Plagueis wasn't going to be able to overthrow the Emperor by himself. He had to wait until Palpatine was thrown down a reactor shaft - 61 years later.

Give 5 years for the Empire to be restructured into the First order...and you have 66 years after Plagueis was assumed dead that he resurfaces as Snoke. The true Order 66.

 

[Catastic82]

Here's some key points from the novel, and for those wondering if Finn was well trained :

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-novelization/2/

"At the beginning of the story, Finn is a cadet, not yet a full-fledged stormtrooper. We follow him as he progresses through his training and end with him preparing to go on his first official mission as a stormtrooper. We quickly discover that Finn, or FN-2187 (as he is called in the book) is an exceptional combatant and leader. Part of a four-man fireteam, he has naturally assumed the position of leadership on the squad. His team look up to him, and follow his orders, although they tend to distance themselves from him on a personal level."

So there you have it he was a very good soldier and a leader of men.

On Rey's piloting skills:

"When not scavenging or trading with Unkar at the Niima outpost, Rey spends virtually all of her free time building things and mastering her skills in flight simulations that she has restored from crashed ships scattered across Jakku’s landscape, which helps to explain how she knows so much about flying in the film and how she is able to single-handedly pilot the Falcon with such skill."

And finally on Rey's parents:

"The biggest hints at Rey’s Skywalker lineage are from Kylo Ren’s perceptions of Rey. Just like the film, Kylo is noticeably shaken when, in addition to his inability to probe Rey’s mind as much as he would like, she can get inside of his. My, and many fans reading, will probably note another line of dialogue in the novelization that was absent from the film. It’s the moment when Kylo Ren calls Luke’s lightsaber to him and it flies right past him and into Rey’s hands. In the novelization, Kylo says to himself, “It is you”. To me, this says Kylo knew Rey or a direct descendant of Luke Skywalker was out there. Perhaps it was the one thing he kept from Snoke, whether that was Ben Solo keeping it from Snoke or Kylo, it seems Rey’s ability in the Force makes something CLICK in Kylo Ren’s head. Again, nothing solid, but much more brow raising when you read it in print. I won’t hypothesize the why or how Kylo may know, but I think this strongly suggests he does, and that is another reason the line was eventually cut from the film."

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Week ago I was about to watch this. If I'd known it was A New Hope: Reheated I'd have been less excited.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Week ago I was about to watch this. If I'd known it was A New Hope: Reheated I'd have been less excited.

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

You're welcome fanboi.