Collingwood 2016 Pre-Season Discussion

[Mkcaptain]

I wish the club was quicker in updating the open training times

 

[TradeDraft]

I wish the club was quicker in updating the open training times

The Open Training Session is nearly always the Wednesday but can go to any you want

 

[Mkcaptain]

The Open Training Session is nearly always the Wednesday but can go to any you want

I'd rather know for sure than risk travelling in to find their just doing indoor work.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'd rather know for sure than risk travelling in to find their just doing indoor work.

Then Contact the Club or try and ask lukem to say when the Open Trainings Sessions are on.

Though I be very Confident they be out there on Monday,Wednesday and Friday

 

[left at home]

2 km time trial is not a good indicator to show if you can run long distances, and grundy went ok
game fitness wise where he will run any where from 10-14 kms a game and not a couple laps sprint.
I would rather see a 5km time trial instead and see how that goes, time wise

 

[Big Bryza]

God when Grundy has to play against Blivacs Goldstein ect it isn't going to be pretty, he really needs to improve his running.

21 year old ruckman for gods sake. Of course he's going to improve and not peak for another few years. Way to highlight 2 of the best running ruckman in the comp as well.

 

[Big Bryza]

2 km time trial is not a good indicator to show if you can run long distances, and grundy went ok
game fitness wise where he will run any where from 10-14 kms a game and not a couple laps sprint.
I would rather see a 5km time trial instead and see how that goes, time wise

5km time trial and any long distance running is pretty much irrelevant to a game of footy. Yes players will run 10-15kms during a game but most of that is in an aerobic capacity. Short bursts at a high intensity with rests in between. You need to increase their anerabic threshold, so they can run harder for longer. These 2km time trials are just done to keep the players honest.

 

[Big Bryza]

If you don't like people who speak reality then put me on ignore TD.

It's a shame so many people on here are unable to cope with differing opinions

Grundy's gonna be a gun Dave

More just constant negativity. Most people here are pretty balanced in their opinions on our players and where we are at as a club. Constant negativity is very draining to read. Your reality is a long way from most other people's.

 

[left at home]

5km time trial and any long distance running is pretty much irrelevant to a game of footy. Yes players will run 10-15kms during a game but most of that is in an aerobic capacity. Short bursts at a high intensity with rests in between. You need to increase their anerabic threshold, so they can run harder for longer. These 2km time trials are just done to keep the players honest.

agree why the time is held at 2ks, but for any good runner that is an easy sprint so there times are sort of nothing as well. any reasonable runner
that cannot do 2kms under 6.20 is not that good.

 

[lenny20]

agree why the time is held at 2ks, but for any good runner that is an easy sprint so there times are sort of nothing as well. any reasonable runner
that cannot do 2kms under 6.20 is not that good.

Most runners aren't carrying 85+kg with them though. The upper level for AFL seems to max out around the 6 minute mark (with a few exceptions) with the bulk of the better midfielders falling in around that 6:30 area.

 

[left at home]

Most runners aren't carrying 85+kg with them though. The upper level for AFL seems to max out around the 6 minute mark (with a few exceptions) with the bulk of the better midfielders falling in around that 6:30 area.

for some one like grundy a 2km time trial would not be his go and I would not expect him or others around his weight to get any where near the time.
but for guys around 6'2 in the old scale 85kgs is not that heavy. some around my height 5'9 mite be. and we are not talking about elite athletes
either. when l went to training in qld the comments from the people I talk to is how there upper body size is not that big to even a couple years ago
so in theory the lighter bodies should help in there running times and cover the ground quicker. are their times doing this and can they cover the ground quicker

 

[davywap]

Slightly OT

This Saturday on Fox Footy is Collingwood day, i.e. Eddie McGuire is guest programmer and all games that day are Collingwood victories (except the 95 Anzac Day draw)

On a side note, avoid Friday. That day is Mark Maclure day - all Carlton games.

 

[Kappa]

You put too much stock in time trials.

It's reflected in watching Grundy play Apex,

Most games he is spent halfway through the 3rd quarter and can't even get off the ground.

If he could get his endurance up to the elite levels there is no reason he couldn't be an AA level ruckmen in a few years

 

[Jelly Bean]

More just constant negativity. Most people here are pretty balanced in their opinions on our players and where we are at as a club. Constant negativity is very draining to read. Your reality is a long way from most other people's.

It's not necessarily negativity, it's just slightly more pessimistic than the average here. As with THATSGOLD (who is even slightly further negative). And I think it is definitely needed to balance out the forum.

To be honest, I think Kappa tends to get closer to reality (and is more tolerable) than some on this board who are just overly optimistic and then expect all our players to be superstars, despite the evidence to the contrary. These posters are more annoying, as we have to bear the times when the penny drops that these players won't all be multiple Brownlow medallists, and they turn on them.

Or when we don't get multiple players in the AA team every year, they blame the AFL, saying it must be a conspiracy against us because we are Collingwood... Or blaming the umpires, and suggesting the (sc)umpires are against us that is why we don't win games with our superstar players.... Or bagging journalists because they write something that is less than overly positive about our players / club, and call it click bait and call the journalist lower than scum, etc...

These posters are far more annoying (and far further from reality) than the likes of Kappa in my view, he just errs more slightly toward pessimism than most here.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I'd rather know for sure than risk travelling in to find their just doing indoor work.

You can pretty much bank on the fact that they will be doing outdoor training on Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 9.30 each week... That means outside, with balls, as a large group.

If they do things indoors, it will be with select players, or at other times than this. They need to get a lot of running work in and a lot of ball work and gamestyle work in, and that has to happen on the oval.

 

[Jelly Bean]

There is not much point just yet admonishing Grundy for coming last in the time trial with 7.30ish without any context. We don't know if that is good or bad to be honest, we just know that it is last (but someone has to come last).

I'd be more keen to understand how that time compares to the likes of McEvoy, Sandilands, NicNat, Jacobs, Goldy, Sinclair, etc before we decide whether Grundy has a fitness problem or not.... He might be average.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Looks like my Treloar mail was spot on. Awaiting apologies.

What mail?

 

[Scodog10]

There is not much point just yet admonishing Grundy for coming last in the time trial with 7.30ish without any context. We don't know if that is good or bad to be honest, we just know that it is last (but someone has to come last).

I'd be more keen to understand how that time compares to the likes of McEvoy, Sandilands, NicNat, Jacobs, Goldy, Sinclair, etc before we decide whether Grundy has a fitness problem or not.... He might be average.

The context is that he isn't improving against himself...

I'm a big fan of what Grundy brings to the group on-field, but he needs to improve his running capacity there's no hiding from it!

The main query I have is whether it's an issue at Brodie's end or the running program the club has set out for him? I genuinely don't know which would be a better result, but at the very least he should be shaving time off of a circa 7:30 TT by now, IMO.

 

[Quicky]

I'm more interested in whether Brodie has improved his ruck technique under Rendells tutelege than his time trial result.

 

[PicaBoo]

The context is that he isn't improving against himself...

I'm a big fan of what Grundy brings to the group on-field, but he needs to improve his running capacity there's no hiding from it!

The main query I have is whether it's an issue at Brodie's end or the running program the club has set out for him? I genuinely don't know which would be a better result, but at the very least he should be shaving time off of a circa 7:30 TT by now, IMO.

In perspective, in the bike ride on training camp he performed well. It is perceived that the time trial results mean he doesn't have a tank, which is plainly wrong. Way I see it , he can't go full tilt for a few min but he can maintain a steady pace for a longer period. I don't see an issue with that for a ruck position.

 

[TradeDraft]

Harry O are you going to tell us about this Suppose Treloar Mail?

 

[popin]

In perspective, in the bike ride on training camp he performed well. It is perceived that the time trial results mean he doesn't have a tank, which is plainly wrong. Way I see it , he can't go full tilt for a few min but he can maintain a steady pace for a longer period. I don't see an issue with that for a ruck position.

Swanny can't get near sidy in a time trial but look how much better he plays over the year's. Some people run better when a bone (ball) is put infront of them to go fetch. I rather rate the beep test and repeat sprints test better than a time trial with stop start efforts like a game situation. But running a good time trial is a good bonus to have but it's not everything.

 

[Scodog10]

In perspective, in the bike ride on training camp he performed well. It is perceived that the time trial results mean he doesn't have a tank, which is plainly wrong. Way I see it , he can't go full tilt for a few min but he can maintain a steady pace for a longer period. I don't see an issue with that for a ruck position.

It's a different type of fitness and dynamic unfortunately.

I don't think it's restricting him overly because he's the clear number 1, IMO, but I do think at this stage it's preventing him from taking the next step into AA contention so I'd hope that he steps it up soon.

 

[TheWing121]

In perspective, in the bike ride on training camp he performed well. It is perceived that the time trial results mean he doesn't have a tank, which is plainly wrong. Way I see it , he can't go full tilt for a few min but he can maintain a steady pace for a longer period. I don't see an issue with that for a ruck position.

I am not a expert on the subject, but you would think someone going from school to a full time training would naturally improve in most aspects. So seeing him run similar time trial times does concern me a little

 

[PicaBoo]

I am not a expert on the subject, but you would think someone going from school to a full time training would naturally improve in most aspects. So seeing him run similar time trial times does concern me a little

No expert either but I would assume the development of Grundy would be more on core strength and other ruck aspects. So that is time trial is stagnating while he is improving in those other areas, doesn't bother me too much. If he stops developing overall, then we should indeed be getting worried.
Will be interesting (pre)season nonetheless with both our 2 ruckmen wanting to be #1 plus the 2nd ruck conundrum.