Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

[SM]

Your opinion. Not fact. My opinion is they just don't like her very much.

Reckon if she was a bit younger, had a decent rack on her and a nice set of legs and a tight ass they might feel differently?

It's pathetic.

 

[citizen-erased]

No they aren't.

You could call heckling "bullying" by definition. But who would do that?

Hecklers arent comedians (quite the opposite, though they may think otherwise).

I don't know of a single comedian who picks out a single person and continues to make derogatory comments about them outside the norm of public domain.
Politicians and ideologues have always been fair game for satire and slander and, while it contradicts a lot of what i've been saying, its largely accepted as part of the job. But there are still lines you don't cross, and when you do, you don't keep coming back to them.

Also, Ed isn't a comedian.

 

[Joey longshadow]

You don't need to explain. I expect most here are against violence in general.

I think the discussion is important for developing viewpoints. My viewpoint today is different from my viewpoint 5 years ago, 10 years ago etc.

I've been a victim of domestic abuse (step mother), I've been a victim of male(s) on male assault as a kid and teenager (par for the course in the area I grew up), I've been exposed to violence and alcoholism, I've received death threats because of a woman. I've had to take out protections orders. I've had to take my daughter away from an environment while police were wrestling people away from my car as they were smashing it.

I've seen a lot to know that violence is everywhere and I've personally experienced enough to know that women are just as capable. However I have daughters. I wouldn't find a joke about drowning my daughter funny, especially as she is not there as an entertainment vehicle.

Battle lines are drawn between football clubs and media many times. Stick to those lines. Go outside them and you deserve the heat that is coming your way.

Sorry to hear about your past
Sadly I have experience in that area myself
And yep it was a dickhead series of comments by McGuire ,brayshaw spud and Co ..and Eddies copping his whacks

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

And who would of thought that it would be Julie Bishop who would provide the best answer in response to this ridiculous furore. Probably the only person out there to put a statement in the public sphere that doesn't follow the SJW's script

Wouldn't the best answer depend on your particular view of the issue?

She's 100% in election mode right now. How many Pies supporters in Australia?

I think Julie Bishop is self serving and not exactly known as a voice of reason on many social issues. For the record, while I am no fan of her I will stop short of joking about drowning her.

 

[Bostonian]

are you for real. surely you jest.

Guy up on stage entertaining people to earn money to feed his kids.

Person in audience abuses him all show long. That's bullying in the work place using the definition of bullying.

If the entertainer feels bullied then he is bullied. That's how it works isn't it?

 

[Ron The Bear]

And who would of thought that it would be Julie Bishop who would provide the best answer in response to this ridiculous furore. Probably the only person out there to put a statement in the public sphere that doesn't follow the SJW's script

"If we're going to take offence at every silly, offhand remark or attempt at humour, then we're not focusing on the really important issues of the day."

True in a sense, but she could've said the same about the King Kong comments.

 

[Shane Hird]

I don't like that the name "Caro's Arrow" implies violence in the form of armed combat against those whose opinions or actions you object to.

 

[KeSter]

Wouldn't the best answer depend on your particular view of the issue?

She's 100% in election mode right now. How many Pies supporters in Australia?

I think Julie Bishop is self serving and not exactly known as a voice of reason on many social issues. For the record, while I am no fan of her I will stop short of joking about drowning her.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...er-the-spotlight/story-e6frezz0-1226518743163

She is inhuman.

 

[hawks787]

Well go find some that appeases your sensibilities Noob

That's the way disagree, dislike me and my comments, kind of fitting for this thread and the content. But congrats on the thought out counter points you've contributed.

 

[The 747]

Nothing at all about this surprises me, except that Eddie can be so limited in self awareness to think he could say that. The outrage, the counter outrage, the extended thread on BF running off into tangents and personal involvement, the fauxpology and so on.

My favourite is people who mention their GF as if that makes them a ****ing authority on women's issuesz

 

[NM_Mitchell]

lol...Eddie's a journo too, one of the worst, actually, everything you wrote about Caro could be said for Eddie too...if you think sales are boosted because of her then you're a dead-set moron.

I never said Eddie wasn't a journo.

Yes, sales and rating are boosted because of her.
Not in the way that people are watching because of her, but the stories she creates.

Obviously Footy Classified ratings and paper sales are going to rise when they start advertising the shit she spreads.

 

[Blueboys11]

"If we're going to take offence at every silly, offhand remark or attempt at humour, then we're not focusing on the really important issues of the day."

True in a sense, but she could've said the same about the King Kong comments.

Another ridiculous over reaction taken totally out of context

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

This has been blown out of proportion to the extreme!

The comments by McGuire and co were somewhat distasteful depending on how someone interpreted them but everyone just loves manufacturing faux outrage these days.

 

[bucksisbest]

What if it was the reverse situation, and Caro had said that about Eddie in a newspaper column?

I don't think Caro would have a job in that situation.

In any case, the thing to be avoided here is victim blaming

I reckon, she'd go 'The Age understands that many notable identities in the football industry would have enjoyed seeing Eddie McGuire held down under water and drowned'

Going on past history she'd be sweet

 

[Bostonian]

Hecklers arent comedians (quite the opposite, though they may think otherwise).

I don't know of a single comedian who picks out a single person and continues to make derogatory comments about them outside the norm of public domain.
Politicians and ideologues have always been fair game for satire and slander and, while it contradicts a lot of what i've been saying, its largely accepted as part of the job. But there are still lines you don't cross, and when you do, you don't keep coming back to them.

Also, Ed isn't a comedian.

So much subjectivity is the way I see it.

If Eddie was making comments about Caro outside of the public domain then I'd agree it was out of order.

When it comes to words I don't believe in lines. I'd rather words expose someone as an idiot than have actions do the same thing but with potentially more negative consequences.

Eddie is an entertainer. Once again, subjective if you find him as such.

 

[SBYM]

Pretty much went into decline 400+ years ago, didn't it? I'm nobody's historian.

Yeah...their peak was certainly before the Brits (to use them as an example again)... their empire started to decline from about the 1600s.

But they were still around and a major player right up until WW1.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Why is it you think they choose not to join those fields on the whole?

If you have the time, watch this excellent Norwegian documentary, it answers your question perfectly and is a fantastic watch!

 

[NBates]

I'm a woman and i think it's all a storm in a teacup. Yes domestic violence or any violence towards women is abhorrent, but sorry carro, this doesn't qualify. Why was it ok for Tony shaw to say the same thing to you? I feel sorry that Neil Daniher's charity event has got stuck in the middle of it all. Next year this is all people are going to talk about rather than his cause.

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[KeSter]

This has been blown out of proportion to the extreme!

The comments by McGuire and co were somewhat distasteful depending on how someone interpreted them but everyone just loves manufacturing faux outrage these days.

Don't you ever get tired of how much damage Eddie does to your club's legacy?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-20/eddie-mcguires-history-of-gaffes/7525802

 

[Moshie The Mook]

I don't like that the name "Caro's Arrow" implies violence in the form of armed combat against those whose opinions or actions you object to.

The way her henchman Garry Lyon used to aim it in a threatening fashion at the screen made it all the more ghastly.

I shudder to think of the humiliation and psychological trauma it inflicted on its intended victim.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Guy up on stage entertaining people to earn money to feed his kids.

Person in audience abuses him all show long. That's bullying in the work place using the definition of bullying.

If the entertainer feels bullied then he is bullied. That's how it works isn't it?

You're being obtuse. For one, a good comedian encourages the crowd so he can feed off it. Answering hecklers is built into the act and the hecklers expect to cop it back.

However, if you had a heckler showing up every week to disrupt a show, then a comedian might ask security to remove that person. Bullying is all about establishing a pattern and something which a reasonable person might find humiliating.

If Caroline Wilson was one to make jokes about drowning others, but couldn't take the same back, then she has a problem. That's not what she does, so shouldn't be what she gets back. There is no expectation for it.

 

[citizen-erased]

Offense being taken and given... It's a crock of crap.

Guy up on stage entertaining people to earn money to feed his kids.

Person in audience abuses him all show long. That's bullying in the work place using the definition of bullying.

If the entertainer feels bullied then he is bullied. That's how it works isn't it?

You're being obtuse. For one, a good comedian encourages the crowd so he can feed off it. Answering hecklers is built into the act and the hecklers expect to cop it back.

However, if you had a heckler showing up every week to disrupt a show, then a comedian might ask security to remove that person. Bullying is all about establishing a pattern and something which a reasonable person might find humiliating.

If Caroline Wilson was made to make jokes about drowning others, but couldn't take the same back, then she has a problem. That's not what she does, so shouldn't be what she gets back. There is no expectation for it.

This guy answered it better than i could

 

[Shane Hird]

The way her henchman Garry Lyon used to aim it in a threatening fashion at the screen made it all the more ghastly.

I shudder to think of the humiliation and psychological trauma it inflicted on its intended victim.

Yes, it's all very disturbing isn't it.

Someone should do something to get this offensive behaviour off our public television screens.

 

[KeSter]

I'm a woman and i think it's all a storm in a teacup. Yes domestic violence or any violence towards women is abhorrent, but sorry carro, this doesn't qualify. Why was it ok for Tony shaw to say the same thing to you? I feel sorry that Neil Daniher's charity event has got stuck in the middle of it all. Next year this is all people are going to talk about rather than his cause.

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Well I will try to answer this, Caro said that she accepted what Tony Shaw said to her because he said it to her face which actually does qualify as 'banter'. When a women doesn't die every week due to domestic violence then I will be more forgiving of less than political correctness. Remember Carro never related this to domestic violence but suggested the language was vicious, which I agree with. If anyone talked about paying money to have me drowned when I was not there to represent myself I would consider such language vicious, indeed I would be talking to the police. When there are ZERO deaths from domestic violence towards women I might change my mind.

 

[Noseybonk]

This has been blown out of proportion to the extreme!

The comments by McGuire and co were somewhat distasteful depending on how someone interpreted them but everyone just loves manufacturing faux outrage these days.

Yep. It was very low brow, but blown way out of proportion.