Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You're probably right. Not being opportunistic, but you could say a lot like John Elliot?

Funny you say that, because I was thinking yesterday that Eddie is slowly becoming more Elliot like in his approach to things.

Elliot became increasingly boorish, more arrogant, more dismissive of others, set himself up as the ringleader of club presidents, tried to hijack the narrative and most importantly, outdated in his thinking ... often paying lip service to a lot of issues without really practicing them.

It is become harder to recognise the Eddie of his earlier days, full of good intentions, respect and passion. Maybe the role wears you down?

 

[Jade]

It's not well established, as that's precisely what you did, and you haven't clarified to the contrary. I even repeatedly asked you to drop it and move on but you persisted.

Of course I did.

I tend to do that when someone seems to misunderstand what is put in front of them.

 

[Beerfish]

Sad to say it but some pretty poor moderating to let people create a collingwood hate thread every day filling up the board.

Gee that sounds awful.

 

[sherb]

Eddie.

 

[QLDbeachbabe]

Gee that sounds awful.

Pretty childish post from you specially after the 100 ASADA Essendon are drug cheats threads made on here not long ago.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2197213/1096458 this gives a great view.

Sorry, took me about 10 seconds. Paul Murray is a hard right extremist in my book. Not a balanced bone in his body.

Right away Andy Maher responded giving him a list of agencies who do care about the real victims of domestic violence.

I said just before I tend to ignore outliers. Paul Murray is as big as an outlier as this country has as far as I am concerned. Andrew Bolt is far more reasonable.

 

[QLDbeachbabe]

Sorry, took me about 10 seconds. Paul Murray is a hard right extremist in my book. Not a balanced bone in his body.

Right away Andy Maher responded giving him a list of agencies who do care about the real victims of domestic violence.

I said just before I tend to ignore outliers. Paul Murray is as big as an outlier as this country has as far as I am concerned. Andrew Bolt is far more reasonable.

Just shows how poor your judgement is. My husband would laugh at your post. Andy maher lol ha

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Just shows how poor your judgement is. My husband would laugh at your post.

Right. So I'm guessing your husband is a foremost expert in who objective political commentators are?

Maybe you can tell me who I should listen to and what I should think ... or maybe if you are interested we could hold a conversation without the throwaway lines about my laughable post.

 

[Beerfish]

Pretty childish post from you specially after the 100 ASADA Essendon are drug cheats threads made on here not long ago.

We have a whole sub-board specifically for those who enjoy making and posting in them. Maybe you could ask for a Collingwood sub-board so all the hundreds of Collingwood hate threads can be quarantined there.

 

[Jade]

Pretty childish post from you specially after the 100 ASADA Essendon are drug cheats threads made on here not long ago.

Psst.

That's what he meant.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Do you reckon the vast majority are even participating in the debate?

Probably not, but I didn't raise the vast majority, I merely commented on another post discussing the vast majority. For the purposes of the discussion I will assume we are talking about the vast majority of those that cared to get involved.

 

[skipper kelly]

Right. So I'm guessing your husband is a foremost expert in who objective political commentators are?

Maybe you can tell me who I should listen to and what I should think ... or maybe if you are interested we could hold a conversation without the throwaway lines about my laughable post.

Isn't it about what is said rather than who said it?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pretty childish post from you specially after the 100 ASADA Essendon are drug cheats threads made on here not long ago.

100 ASADA threads since April 2016?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Open your eyes FFS

The difference is she hates Eddie and Brayshaw and likes Shaw and Der-Wayne

It's not about the "joke", it's about pathetic hacks squabbling with each other and trying to damage the other.

If you can't see that you're a complete moron.

The last thing any of us need is trying to frame serious issues through the lens of a trash celebrity dispute. It just blinds people to real issue.

As if anything here has the slightest thing to do with domestic violence. FFS.

Why would I open my eyes? The comments were made on radio!

Can't see where I mentioned domestic violence

You are obviously one of the morons I was referring to.....unable to distinguish between the 2 comments.

Perhaps you should open your ears

 

[skipper kelly]

Probably not, but I didn't raise the vast majority, I merely commented on another post discussing the vast majority. For the purposes of the discussion I will assume we are talking about the vast majority of those that cared to get involved.

I didn't say you did raise it. I raised a question, one which I believe is valid. IMO the vast majority will sit in the middle. Internet debates which I contribute to are usually framed by the extremes. When you are in the middle on an issue then sometimes there is nothing to say. That's all.

 

[H2F]

This thread sure is fun but most miss the point. I'll put it in bullets:

1) Eddie screwed up. People say stupid things (it's becoming a lazy habit of his recently) but his real screw-up was not delivering a powerful apology. In times of adversity comes opportunity. He could have made a statement that had most of the AFL community grow their respect of him. But he didn't.

2) Caro is a sexist. Everyone knows it. She's actually far worse than any of the 'boys club members she ridicules are.' Too bad society isn't mature enough to call her out but we're close. Case in point is she has probably the most talented football journalist in Emma Quayle tight kept in a cage because she fears her development. If Caro truly wanted to fight the good fight for females would she do this or would you see her actively promote her and write about her? Of course but she doesn't.

3) The rage against political correctness is lazy. It's easily to see why it annoys some people but it's lazy to hate it. Political correctness is a force where the anonymous it those lacking an identity in life (mostly) can get gratification. But the point is it only works because it's rooted in being 'good'. In the grander scheme it's a social weapon. Some people like Caro represent the annoying aspect of it as she uses it to attack men that she fears. She only really fears them because she's got no integrity or real self esteem but we should look past that because her overall contribution to football has been mostly quite outstanding.

I wish people would embrace political correctness in the right way. If Eddie did he could have used integrity to deliver a powerful message that allowed us to see he's a good person, which I assume he is, make a stand about sexism, bullying and whatever other PC forces appeared and believe it or not, if he wanted to expose Caro for being a cherry picking hypocritical insecure person.

Example: Caroline Wilson has probably made one of the biggest contributions to AFL reporting in my time. I thank her for calling me out on this terrible and idiot thing I said on radio.

5 min sincere apology.

I will also offer Caro some advise because I respect her immensely. Please promote Emma Quayle because a fair few people have been wondering why you haven't done that.

BANG the army she unleashed on him from Fairfax would call her out in a second.

Use your head Eddie and act with integrity ...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Isn't it about what is said rather than who said it?

Well it starts with his tweet about the outrage machine having nought to say about the real victims of domestic violence, so he is off to a poor start and on his well worn path of making a divisive statement to pique the interest for his demographic.

So he immediately pushes people into this 'outrage machine' pigeon hole, which is creates a defensive mindset from the get go. He then says that they don't speak up for real domestic violence victims. How could he know that? Has he taken names of everybody who has spoken out about this McGuire/Wilson issue and checked their background? In my experience this is what Murray does, unapologetically.

He is Australia's Fox News representative.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I didn't say you did raise it. I raised a question, one which I believe is valid. IMO the vast majority will sit in the middle. Internet debates which I contribute to are usually framed by the extremes. When you are in the middle on an issue then sometimes there is nothing to say. That's all.

I didn't want to reply with just a 'probably not' taking the question at face value as I tend to try to cover all possible angles for expediency. I wasn't having a go at you for suggesting I had raised it. I was just acknowledging that the vast majority can mean two different things.

 

[skipper kelly]

Well it starts with his tweet about the outrage machine having nought to say about the real victims of domestic violence, so he is off to a poor start and on his well worn path of making a divisive statement to pique the interest for his demographic.

So he immediately pushes people into this 'outrage machine' pigeon hole, which is creates a defensive mindset from the get go. He then says that they don't speak up for real domestic violence victims. How could he know that? Has he taken names of everybody who has spoken out about this McGuire/Wilson issue and checked their background? In my experience this is what Murray does, unapologetically.

He is Australia's Fox News representative.

Not saying I disagree but I'm just highlighting that it's hard to be purely objective. I'm not. I dismiss a lot of what people say because of their past history. I find the debate more appealing than the content.

 

[QLDbeachbabe]

100 ASADA threads since April 2016?

Lol you are silly, did I say anything about 2016, no I didn't you did. Many thread's over the last few years to make it SIMPLE for you to understand ok.

 

[hawkgal02]

I read that article and the first few people it mentioned had done some pretty stupid things. dont agree they should be shamed to oblivion but i guess i can understand it.

This case is is why people like me get so angry at SJW wanting to be more outraged than the next. This is absolutly disgusting.


"I met a man who, in early 2013, had been sitting at a conference for tech developers in Santa Clara, Calif., when a stupid joke popped into his head. It was about the attachments for computers and mobile devices that are commonly called dongles. He murmured the joke to his friend sitting next to him, he told me. “It was so bad, I don’t remember the exact words,” he said. “Something about a fictitious piece of hardware that has a really big dongle, a ridiculous dongle. . . . It wasn’t even conversation-level volume.”

Moments later, he half-noticed when a woman one row in front of them stood up, turned around and took a photograph. He thought she was taking a crowd shot, so he looked straight ahead, trying to avoid ruining her picture. It’s a little painful to look at the photograph now, knowing what was coming.

The woman had, in fact, overheard the joke. She considered it to be emblematic of the gender imbalance that plagues the tech industry and the toxic, male-dominated corporate culture that arises from it. She tweeted the picture to her 9,209 followers with the caption: “Not cool. Jokes about . . . ‘big’ dongles right behind me.” Ten minutes later, he and his friend were taken into a quiet room at the conference and asked to explain themselves. A day later, his boss called him into his office, and he was fired."

Im not comparing this to what eddie has done but the mentality of ganging up on someone and want retrubution for being offended is ridiculous.

"you hurt my feelings, therefore you need to be punished to the point your life is turned upside down".

can we take a ******* breath?

what the f*ck has this got to do with anything?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

3) The rage against political correctness is lazy. It's easily to see why it annoys some people but it's lazy to hate it. Political correctness is a force where the anonymous it those lacking an identity in life (mostly) can get gratification. But the point is it only works because it's rooted in being 'good'. In the grander scheme it's a social weapon. Some people like Caro represent the annoying aspect of it as she uses it to attack men that she fears. She only really fears them because she's got no integrity or real self esteem but we should look past that because her overall contribution to football has been mostly quite outstanding.

I wish people would embrace political correctness in the right way. If Eddie did he could have used integrity to deliver a powerful message that allowed us to see he's a good person, which I assume he is, make a stand about sexism, bullying and whatever other PC forces appeared and believe it or not, if he wanted to expose Caro for being a cherry picking hypocritical insecure person.

Am I just reading that PC advocates have no life, and Caro is a bigger problem than Eddie, couched in disclaimers about how good political correctness can be. Is it overly PC of me to suggest this feels a little disingenuous?

Note the lack of outrage in my tone.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Lol you are silly, did I say anything about 2016, no I didn't you did. Many thread's over the last few years to make it SIMPLE for you to understand ok.

Yes it was me that said it. I was just confused as to that many threads being around in the 2 months since you got here. You are probably just a voracious reader who has picked got up to speed in quick time and know who is who in the zoo so to speak. That's wonderful.

 

[H2F]

No you read.

PC is a powerful force for good
Caro has had an astonishing impact on the games journalism
Eddie was stupid for saying it but even more stupid for not apologising
Eddie had an opportunity to call out Caro for something that bothers a lot of the boys in footy (and angers females even more)

You interpreted as you wrote, but that's a little disappointing and doesn't help anyone.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

No you read.

PC is a powerful force for good
Caro has had an astonishing impact on the games journalism
Eddie was stupid for saying it but even more stupid for not apologising
Eddie had an opportunity to call out Caro for something that bothers a lot of the boys in footy (and angers females even more)

You interpreted as you wrote, but that's a little disappointing and doesn't help anyone.

No I read those parts but the other parts were in there as well right? It threw me a little as it seemed out of place with the rest of your message.