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[Jatz]

Maybe not on ability but he's having more of an impact than Rockliff. That's for sure.

Except that he doesn't. Averages this year

Rockliff:

I50's: 2
Tackles: 7
Clearances: 5
Total Goals: 5.1
Score Involvements: 7
DE%: 75

Robinson:
I50's: 1
Tackles: 6
Clearances: 5
Total Goals: 1.3
Score Involvements: 5
DE%: 64%

 

[Jatz]

Hence why Robinson is having more of an impact....

Tagging isn't damaging. It's negating. He's doing it very well but he's not more damaging than Rocky.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Except that he doesn't. Averages this year

Rockliff:

I50's: 2
Tackles: 7
Clearances: 5
Total Goals: 5.1
Score Involvements: 7
DE%: 75

Robinson:
I50's: 1
Tackles: 6
Clearances: 5
Total Goals: 1.3
Score Involvements: 5
DE%: 64%

So similar stats all the while stopping his opponent (usually the best mid) from having an impact. I'd say that's having more of a positive impact on his team and its ability to win.

Oh and score involvements are one of the most airy fairy stats in the game.

 

[jd2010]

1 more I50, 4 more goals (in a poor side) & 10% better DE is pretty damning. I thought they'd be closer since Rockcliff has looked poorer than normal and Robinson having one of his best ever years

 

[Jatz]

So similar stats all the while stopping his opponent (usually the best mid) from having an impact. I'd say that's having more of a positive impact on his team and its ability to win.

Oh and score involvements are one of the most airy fairy stats in the game.

Similar in some senses, far off in others.

Depends the wording used as well. Robinson has probably had a bigger 'impact' but he hasn't been more 'damaging.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Similar in some senses, far off in others.

Depends the wording used as well. Robinson has probably had a bigger 'impact' but he hasn't been more 'damaging.

I never said damaging though as his disposal is woeful.

Rockliff is a mid you don't tag. It takes him 40 touches to be influential. Whereas a Beams, Zorko, Christensen hurt you more with less touches.

 

[Jatz]

I never said damaging though as his disposal is woeful.

Rockliff is a mid you don't tag. It takes him 40 touches to be influential. Whereas a Beams, Zorko, Christensen hurt you more with less touches.

Beams is injured, Zorko is a forward. Christensen isn't a bad shout but he's completely outside. Far less tackles/contested ball etc.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Beams is injured, Zorko is a forward. Christensen isn't a bad shout but he's completely outside. Far less tackles/contested ball etc.

Where is his injured status relevant to what I said? Where is Zorko as a mid/forward irrelevant to what I said.

You'd tag both before Rockliff because they actually hurt you.

 

[Spanish Sahara]

Where is his injured status relevant to what I said? Where is Zorko as a mid/forward irrelevant to what I said.

You'd tag both before Rockliff because they actually hurt you.

And you would quite clearly tag Rockliff before Robinson..

 

[Art Vandelay_]

And you would quite clearly tag Rockliff before Robinson..

That's irrelevant when one is a tagger

 

[Spanish Sahara]

That's irrelevant when one is a tagger

Sides would put far more work into negating the influence of Rockliff compared to Robinson.

Its Mitch Robinson ffs

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Sides would put far more work into negating the influence of Rockliff compared to Robinson.

Its Mitch Robinson ffs

Where have I said he's a better player?

All I've said is that the role he's playing in the team, that is, tagging whilst getting the pill himself is having more of an impact on Brisbane than Rockliff. Nothing more than that.

 

[Jatz]

Where is his injured status relevant to what I said? Where is Zorko as a mid/forward irrelevant to what I said.

You'd tag both before Rockliff because they actually hurt you.

Well he isn't playing, nor has he for sometime. So he's a little bit irrelevant atm.

Forwards have defenders. I wouldn't tag Zorko before Rockliff. We beat Brisbane but didn't tag Rockliff and he tore us to shreds. No such problem with Zorko.

 

[SM]

All this discussion shows is that the comment that Brisbane should throw the bank at keeping Rockliff is stupid.

 

[jd2010]

All this discussion shows is that the comment that Brisbane should throw the bank at keeping Rockliff is stupid.

how is it stupid?

they struggle to keep talent that has only shown glimpses, if someone wants to be there that is one of their best players they should do all they can to keep him

 

[SM]

how is it stupid?

they struggle to keep talent that has only shown glimpses, if someone wants to be there that is one of their best players they should do all they can to keep him

Because Rocky isn't worth throwing the bank at.

 

[Spanish Sahara]

Because Rocky isn't worth throwing the bank at.

Given the young list they have and problems keeping players at the club, its probably worth throwing a reasonable amount at Rocky (heavily frontloaded where possible). Not sure of his standing amongst the playing group and coaching stafff, but he is the captain of the club afterall

 

[jd2010]

Because Rocky isn't worth throwing the bank at.

they've got to spend minimum 90% of the cap dont they?

if he isnt on a lot then they'd struggle to get close to that.

only beams, zorko & maybe martin come close

 

[Jatz]

they've got to spend minimum 90% of the cap dont they?

if he isnt on a lot then they'd struggle to get close to that.

only beams, zorko & maybe martin come close

Yes they do.

If they were smart, they'd front load his contract while they've got no stars there.

 

[Doctor Bojan_]

I think we can all agree that Robinson and Rockliff are shittrucks right now.

Rockliff is a terrible leader. Castigates his own players in the media and is very divisive internally.

 

[Jatz]

I think we can all agree that Robinson and Rockliff are shittrucks right now.

Rockliff is a terrible leader. Castigates his own players in the media and is very divisive internally.

Now that's something I couldn't agree more with. It's no wonder all the young players wanted out.

 

[strauchanie59]

O'Meara demanding 750k which is a steep price for someone who has only played 2 seasons of AFL footy and missed the last 2 seasons with injury.

 

[Spanish Sahara]

O'Meara demanding 750k which is a steep price for someone who has only played 2 seasons of AFL footy and missed the last 2 seasons with injury.

if you are to believe the papers that is ..

 

[Jatz]

1 Million a season...

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-06-30/club-statement

 

[strauchanie59]

1 Million a season...

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-06-30/club-statement

Poor behaviour no doubt, but FWIW he'll still be a gun forward in years to come. Will be worth the 1mill.