2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[Brunswick Trap King]

That a mistake because believe it or not not all his potential votership wants to demonise all muslims, particularly since Hillary is so odious. This is a nightmare election, both candidate are completely corrupt and immoral.

I don't think Hillary is immoral.

I fail to see a side of her that cares about anything but winning.

I think she's amoral and just doesn't concern herself with morality at all.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I don't think Hillary is immoral.

I fail to see a side of her that cares about anything but winning.

I think she's amoral and just doesn't concern herself with morality at all.

So you missed the convention and her life story of working for the disadvantaged when she graduated over going to a big firm? She's got a lifetime of public service to review, a lot of that was spent on trying to improve conditions for the disadvantaged often against strong political opposition.

Claims about her corporatism and hawkishness can be made but to claim she's amoral or lacking in any morality is silly and something trump would do.

 

[awaremind]

Basically overseeing operations that destroyed whole nations, and gloating over it, makes her ****ing immoral not amoral.

 

[awaremind]

I don't think Hillary is immoral.

I fail to see a side of her that cares about anything but winning.

I think she's amoral and just doesn't concern herself with morality at all.

That is basically one definition of Satanism.

 

[Catastic82]

At the end of the day you want someone in the office that knows what they are doing

Trump hasn't got slightest clue

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

So you missed the convention and her life story of working for the disadvantaged when she graduated over going to a big firm? She's got a lifetime of public service to review, a lot of that was spent on trying to improve conditions for the disadvantaged often against strong political opposition.

Claims about her corporatism and hawkishness can be made but to claim she's amoral or lacking in any morality is silly and something trump would do.

I think the way she turned her back on the bankruptcy law in favour of corporate money shows that she probably just doesn't care about these things at all.

A lot of those things don't mean that somebody actually cares about her constituents or cares about the lower socio-economic groups.

Ie. If I were to spend long periods of time at a soup kitchen every week simply to better my future chances of being a politician, does that mean I actually care about these people?

Basically overseeing operations that destroyed whole nations, and gloating over it, makes her ******* immoral not amoral.

Yeah, you're probably right.

I may have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

[awaremind]

Hillary didn't have a clue about cyber security either though, thoughI guess she knows a tiny bit more now.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Precursor to Trump's election night speech.

By David Weigel August 2 at 8:50 PM

Donald Trump, trailing narrowly in presidential polls, has issued a warning to worried Republican voters: The election will be “rigged” against him — and he could lose as a result.

Trump pointed to several court cases nationwide in which restrictive laws requiring voters to show identification have been thrown out. He said those decisions open the door to fraud in November.

“If the election is rigged, I would not be surprised,” he told The Washington Post in an interview Tuesday afternoon. “The voter ID situation has turned out to be a very unfair development. We may have people vote 10 times.”

Those comments followed a claim Trump made Monday, to an audience in Ohio, that “the election is going to be rigged.” That same day, in an interview with Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, he beseeched Republicans to start “watching closely” or the election will be “taken away from us” through fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-trump-a-new-rigged-system-the-election-itself/2016/08/02/d9fb33b0-58c4-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_rigged-745pm:homepage/story

Will be an incredibly ungracious loser.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Clinton is not a great candidate but how can anyone that isn't an anarchist ******* want Trump to win. He speaks endless bullshit.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Hillary didn't have a clue about cyber security either though, thoughI guess she knows a tiny bit more now.

She wasn't hacked. The DNC were. Her 'sin' was to have a Private Server which meant that less people could see it - more secure in that way.

I also think it's ungracious to suggest that all the good Clinton has done is purely for political purpose. Given the resistance we even see today to a female President, that level of ambition is something that would've come well after she has already been showing her credentials in helping the less fortunate. She used to be a Republican too, which suggests she switched allegiances due to one side matching her idea of what was right more than the other. i.e. It wasn't about 'doing what was necessary', it was about things she wanted to improve and seeing the best way to go about that.

America is criticised for not acting and for acting. In the same way people look at everything Hillary has done and can say she's not legit because the 1% did so well under the Clintons. Of course plenty of the poor also did well under the Clintons, but that isn't mentioned, because the political story is all about how only the 1% did well under Bush and people want to pretend she is not far removed from that Presidency. She has made errors, both personally (trying to bring in Universal Healthcare) or as part of 'the Clintons' (their encouraging poor people to go into housing contributed to the subprime crisis hugely, as did the removal of Glass-Steagall, but of course both were done with good intent and lessons have been learnt). The rest of the criticisms is because she comprimises. The US desperately needs comprimise because otherwise we will just see the crazies in the Republicans continue to block everything and make things look unviable like they did to Obama. That's no doubt why they called her a 'change maker', because they saw Obama's 'hope' and 'change' as being a less successful approach.

BTW, the idea that Hillary isn't 'new' because she was first lady and moved into politics properly after that is a bit unfair in my books. She will have a different team and her own ideas. She took a bit of time off from Law in '82 to campaign for Bill in Arkansas, but otherwise she maintained her law career while being First Lady of Arkansas and her reputation grew off that work as much as the political things she was doing. Obama similarly was involved in politics while young and doing his 'community organising' yet he was considered 'new'.

 

[coerced]

He's taken a poll hit every time he's gone after a private citizen, apparently (the judge, the Khans and the disabled reporter), but not when he went after politicians (even the McCain comments).

Yep. The Dems sucker punched him. Although one of the theories I've read is that he doesn't actually want to presidency he just wants the publicity, and every time he's looking better he self sabotages

Which is often linked to the theory that Bill Clinton put him up to it. Hey maybe they rapped over the idea when they were flying the Lolita Express?

 

[JackNah_8]

Aren't Bill and Trump friends?!

Chelsea and Ivanka are apparently good friends. This whole election is just another soap opera.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Aren't Bill and Trump friends?!

If they are, that's going end at the debates. Trump won't have the self-restraint to go three nights without mentioning Lewinsky.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

She wasn't hacked. The DNC were. Her 'sin' was to have a Private Server which meant that less people could see it - more secure in that way.

More secure in a less secure sort of way. Logical.

America is criticised for not acting and for acting. In the same way people look at everything Hillary has done and can say she's not legit because the 1% did so well under the Clintons. Of course plenty of the poor also did well under the Clintons, but that isn't mentioned, because the political story is all about how only the 1% did well under Bush and people want to pretend she is not far removed from that Presidency. She has made errors, both personally (trying to bring in Universal Healthcare) or as part of 'the Clintons' (their encouraging poor people to go into housing contributed to the subprime crisis hugely, as did the removal of Glass-Steagall, but of course both were done with good intent and lessons have been learnt). The rest of the criticisms is because she comprimises. The US desperately needs comprimise because otherwise we will just see the crazies in the Republicans continue to block everything and make things look unviable like they did to Obama. That's no doubt why they called her a 'change maker', because they saw Obama's 'hope' and 'change' as being a less successful approach.

BTW, the idea that Hillary isn't 'new' because she was first lady and moved into politics properly after that is a bit unfair in my books. She will have a different team and her own ideas. She took a bit of time off from Law in '82 to campaign for Bill in Arkansas, but otherwise she maintained her law career while being First Lady of Arkansas and her reputation grew off that work as much as the political things she was doing. Obama similarly was involved in politics while young and doing his 'community organising' yet he was considered 'new'.

This entire part contradicts itself. You can't refer to Bill's presidency as 'the Clintons' and then maintain that it's unfair that she isn't seen as 'new'.

Either she was part of Bill's presidency or not, which is it?

 

[JackNah_8]

If they are, that's going end at the debates. Trump won't have the self-restraint to go three nights without mentioning Lewinsky.

Billl and Hillary were invited to Trump's wedding and there's pictures of them playing golf together.

Looks like they arent friends anymore...

http://www.newsweek.com/history-donald-trump-bill-clinton-friendship-464360

But now as a Republican contender, Trump is being criticized for his ties to the Clintons—Democrats and fellow New Yorkers who celebrated his 2005 marriage to Melania Knausswith him. Hillary Clinton was granted a front-row seat at the ceremony, and her husband later joined the reception at the Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida. A snapshot taken of the Clintons and the newlywed Trumps has been widely circulated during the primary season; the wedding was dubbed the event that explains the 2016 election. During the first GOP debate in August, Trump said the couple “had no choice” but to attend his third wedding, because he had donated generously to the their charitable foundation, as well as to Clinton’s Senate campaigns and her first presidential bid. Never mind that their daughters, Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton, are also known to be friends.

Nine months ago, The Washington Post reported that on a private, casual phone call last spring, Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to play a larger role in the Republican Party. That conversation reportedly took place in May 2015, a month after Hillary Clinton declared her 2016 presidential bid and just weeks before Trump announced his

 

[Admiral Byng]

there's an annoying cry-baby at every Trump election rally.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This notion that Trump is an outsider is the most successful bull shit pulled since they managed to convince people Bush was also an outsider.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

there's an annoying cry-baby at every Trump election rally.

This time the baby was not on the podium.

 

[Warsaw]

Media now condemning Trump for "banning" a crying baby from his rally. They depths they will sink to to discredit Trump are limitless.

They don't have to condemn anything.

All they need to do is sit back, point and laugh.


Manafort has come out and said this is bs, but the fact that you could put this out there and most people aren't surprised says it all. Even after they denounce it.


They are the this is fine meme personified.

 

[JackNah_8]

They don't have to condemn anything.

All they need to do is sit back, point and laugh.


Manafort has come out and said this is bs, but the fact that you could put this out there and most people aren't surprised says it all. Even after they denounce it.


They are the this is fine meme personified.

 

[P_Crippy]

there's an annoying cry-baby at every Trump election rally.

 

[Badesumofu]

Media now condemning Trump for "banning" a crying baby from his rally. They depths they will sink to to discredit Trump are limitless.

Have you seen the footage? It's pretty awful. He doesn't just kick them out, he outright trolls a Mother with her crying baby. I mean, I'm no fan of Trump but I found myself wondering if it wasn't made up when I first read about it. Then I saw the footage. It is legitimately disgusting behaviour.

 

[Cooldude]

Lol at the Trump fans who think Trump's been set up by the media because they were just, errr quoting him

Like the grade 3 dickhead kid in class who always get punished by causing trouble then whinge that the teacher's had it in for him

Any other candidate would've been hounded out for saying even one thing of Trump's countless shitty things that come outta his mouth, if anything they've been very lenient on him. He deserves everything he gets

 

[Badesumofu]

Do you think it is possible that knowing Trump would react, the Democrats deliberately invited the Khans to speak?
Come in spinner?

I'd say so. In her acceptance speech Clinton said that Trump is too easy to bait, she made it a significant point. Basically, she baited him, told him that he was to easy to bait, and then sat back as he took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

 

[TheMightyEagles]

Bizarre. Its almost like Trump has put a quid on betting that he'd lose when his poll numbers went up. Its getting to the point that I think he's run for publicity and is now (whether consciously or subconsciously) self sabotaging. Even more bizarre is that his odds of winning are still better than for Brexit the day before polling. Hillary is such a flawed candidate.

So tempting to throw a big stack of cash on a Hillary win. 40% return in three months looks appealing...