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He spells his name in the form "Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts". Do you do that?
Good at what?Crikey! He must be good if they are doing after him with rubbish like that
Roberts from the Raving Loony Party !
Representing the ppl that voted for him.
He was on Bolt tonight.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/195056
Do the people who voted for him spell their name that way to stop the government enslaving them?
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MT & his mates have to make a decision now, either get into bed with Pauline and annoy the centrist in Australia or get into bed with the Greens and annoy the right of the party. It's a lose-lose situation for them now, with Bill Shorten and Albanese sitting on the sidelines pissing themselves laughing.
It's actually funny that everyone thinks she is far right, because some of her policies are far left. http://www.onenation.com.au/policies
- Pro Euthanasia
- Apprenticeship scheme
- Citizen generated referendum
- Pro Medicinal Cannabis
- CSG moratorium
- Overhaul of the Family Law Courts
So for all those thinking she is just a complete right wing loony she isn't and given her views on a few other items, it is fair to bet that if Xenophon asked her to back his proposed reforms to gambling advertising and pokies she would support him fully.
And some are incredibly right-wing - her weird embrace of Men's Rights Activists on Family Law will be terrible for victims of domestic violence.
Also, this Malcolm Roberts fellow appears to be an absolute loon, based on his letter to Gillard alone (not even taking into account his membership of One Nation, which certifies it). Embarrassing.
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I work in Family law. To suggest the Family Law Act gives women any kind of bias is ridiculous. The relevant legal principle is a default of 'equal and shared parental responsibility', and if this is ordered (and it is barring a deadbeat parent with a meth problem who's in prison for armed robbery) followed by at least a consideration of 50/50 shared time between the parents. The only time it isnt 50/50 is when so doing isnt in the best intrests of the child (which is reasonably often due to the disruption to the childs life).
Pulling out stats that show women get more time with the child is ludicrous when you consider far more dads up and bugger off, leaving mum with the kids (and in most cases, Mum is the one with the closer relationship during the earlier years of the childs life. Not always of course, but it does skew the results). In the fairly rare circusmtances where the inverse is true (Dad is the one left holding the baby, while Mum buggers off) the inverse is ruled by the courts.
In my experience, the angst is suffered by Dads where the child lives with Mum post seperation, and due to the long nature of FC proceedings, they get frustrated with lack of contact before the proceedings come to a conclusion. I agree the proceedings are overly long, but in many ways that's the nature of the beast when you're asking a Court to make a ruling about the welfare of a child. They need objective evidence before making any orders that might place that child in harms way, or may not be in the childs best intrests. Thats going to take time.
Onya Pauline
Now to start really pissing people off
Now to start really pissing people off
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So allowing Voluntary Euthanasia is not a left wing policy? my I ask what is it then?
Government funding of apprenticeships? Thought the right didn't like the government funding anything much, let alone private employers.
Medicinal Cannabis? Whilst you could say it is left & centrist, it sure as hell isn't right.
Looking to ban CSG mining? only others talking about it are Greens and Xenophon, but I guess they've just moved to the right on this issue.
Think you might need to check you definition of left and right a bit better
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Its neither.
You might be able to frame it as left wing in that it oposes the Christian status quo's monopoly on ethics. Pretty tenuous to claim it as left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
Maybe you could also squeeze it into the 'concern for the disadvantaged members of society' angle also.
Quite the opposite. Right wing governments love both doling money (and tax cuts) to private companies, churches, private schools and the like.
I dont place Medicinal Cannabis as left wing. Libertarian perhaps, but those 'small government' guys are more often associated with the Right than the Left.
The definition I use:
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Stalin yes. The instant you attempt to achieve equality via the methods of the Right (genocide, authoritarianism, denial of liberty), you cease being left wing for mine. There is a wealth of papers on the syncretism of far left and far right wing leaders and poltics.
He that fights with monsters should be careful he does not himself become a monster and all that.
Ive never understood the fascination with labelling anything with 'socialism' in the title as left wing. There is frequent corellation with left wing politics and socialism as an economic model, but that doesnt make one a necessary feature of the other.
Left wing poltics favoring a capitalist market economy is a thing after all.
She is closer to centre than most give her credit for.
Certainly not as far right as Bernardi, Abetz, Christensen et al
Her views on Islamic immigration is probably the only "extreme" view she has, and this view seems to be the trend all through Europe with many swinging voters flocking to "populists"/"realists" like her. She would be taken even more seriously and have a much larger follower base, if she only started this crusade a decade ago and the anti-Vietnamese stuff never happened.
So long the remainder of the One Nation senators (the WA guy is a buffoon) pass legislation on merit and don't act like a protest group/disturbance in the senate they could be beneficial for the next 3-6 years. I would suspect that her voter percentage will only increase as well, whether it will be enough to elect senators in a half senate election, that is debatable. But there is no doubt as more conservatives and swinging voters from the Libs, Nats and Labour become disenfranchised with their parties they will vote for people like Pauline.
I would argue though that your list isn't necessarily left wing. Pro-Euthanasia and the apprenticeship scheme is probably left leaning, citizen generated referendums are more right wing (the left hates referendums), medicinal cannabis is a complete matter of logic and does should never be classed as right wing or left wing, and CSG moratorium can be left wing or right wing dependent on your reasoning. I don't know enough about family law to comment in that regards.
Good luck to her. There is already loonies in the Senate (Greens, Bernadi, Abetz, Dastiyari, Louise Pratt, , another 4 won't hurt.
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When you use the tools of the right to enforce egalitarianism, you're no better than they are. Such methods are disavowed by the Left. If you claim to support death squads on one hand, yet claim to be a Leftie on the other, you're doing it wrong.
Robespierre and the Jacobins are the very definition of 'Left'. The term simply did not exist before them.
How can they be right wing?
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Both of these would be closer to libertarian ideals than anything else - often labeled right but libertarianism should really be regarded as outside the left/right paradigm, although there are quite a few areas where it does overlap with conservatism (the domain of small-government advocates).
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Is there anyone in Parliament further right than Bernardi? I would love to see the disintegration of the Liberal Party as it would mean Corey would go out and officially form his Christian Liberals Party.
Citizen referendum is a libertarian ideal and left of centre not right I would of thought.
The WA One Nation idiot is simply replacing the WA PUP idiot who was there previously so no real impact on the Senate. I honestly have more faith in One Nation actually being reasonable on most issue, where as I have no faith in Darryn Hinch. Hinch has a single platform and nothing else, the man has repeatedly shown in Victoria over decades that he is a loose cannon and for someone who used to tell people to vote informal to be in politics is laughable.
There is a clear movement to a third party in most states, Victoria is Green, SA is Xenophon, Qld is One Nation, Tas is four ways with Greens and Lambie (if ON didn't run there Lambie would of got 2 seats). Greens have a strong presence in WA but nothing like Victoria. NSW is still bouncing around though and will be interesting to see who emerges.
I don't think it is right wing to query the family law system. Should the family law system be looked at? We don't really know, but having Pauline ask a few questions isn't going to harm anyone. I don't see anything right wing about that. I haven't heard many people speak too highly of the family law system (men or women), so perhaps it does need to be looked at.
Good question, i'd guess a combination of both.
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