List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 1

[The_Steadier]

I love the kid, but he's a mid. Not a particularly consistent goal kicker, it would be a mistake to restrict him to the forward 50.

Yep i agree.
I think we already have our future midfield depth on the list.
I think guys like lonie and sinclair are destined to become mids, like the way dahlhouse has done for example.

 

[sammm]

just on this, freo are to blame here. he copped a really bad corky against hawthorn last year. normally you would be rested but given the run home was tough and they were in the hunt for a flag they played him anyway. he changes his run which turned into some hot spots on the shin. again they kept playing him, which turned into stress fractures and then finally a fracture.

if they had rested him, no broken leg.

then he comes back from rehab and they played him too early. bang broken leg above the plate.

That sounds like lyon

 

[gringo2011]

Just wanted to see people's thoughts on Ben Lennon from the tigers. Has stagnated pretty badly and for some reason I've always rated the kid!

Could do worse and try and pry him from the them.

Too slow. He played his best game against us a couple of years ago, has been a disappointment. The tigers have a heap of Lin Jong quality players then a gulf. Their most usable commodity is Tyrone Vickery and he's a **** wit who gives away frees anytime they are close to winning a game. He has potential to go to another club and be a very good ruck forward though and is up for free agency.

 

[Barrels]

Purple's latest quoteless, baseless effort is 'Lobb to the Dockers'...

Makes for some interesting hypotheticals though, particularly in light of the murmurings about Fyfe.

IF, and it's an unbelievably huge if, Fyfe was open to a move, Freo could look to cash in on him whilst he's still contracted so they can get maximum value for him. Yes he's been out for a year with recurring leg issues, but he's the reigning Brownlow Medallist, young, and one of the best players in the game.

How then would any trade get done, and what would it mean for Freo overall?

1. Fyfe is comfortably worth a 'Treloar deal', so let's say two first rounders to Fremantle, though it may cost more.

2. Freo surely need to address their aging and 'role-player'-filled list and we already know that McCarthy and Brad Hill are their major targets so far.

3. Let's take Purple seriously for the moment (odd, I know), and factor in Lobb.

4. Hill is not worth a first IMO; he was Pick 33 in 2011 and despite his premiership medal I don't think his value has appreciably risen from that. Factor in he allegedly wants to go home.

5. Lobb most certainly is; he gives Freo height, youth and versatility in one go, and has been a revelation this year. He was Pick 29 in 2013 and his value is rising weekly.

6. The Dockers also want McCarthy, but a year or more out of the game, and indeed out of the system entirely, plus mental health demons makes his value hard to assess; Pick 14 in 2013, but God knows now.

Could it be that Fyfe leaves for two firsts, and Freo pick up Hill, Lobb and McCarthy for a first, second and something, leaving them with a first this year or next as well?

I'd considering offering two firsts for Fyfe personally... Though I'll concede the price might be higher than the club is willing to pay.

Also, that leaves the Dockers with something like this side in 2017;

FB: Dawson - A.Pearce - Ibbotson
HB: Tucker - Johnson - Sutcliffe
RK: Sandilands - Mundy - Neale
CR: S.Hill - Blakely - B.Hill
HF: Weller - Taberner - Walters
FF: Ballantyne - McCarthy - Lobb
IC (from) Barlow Bennell* Apeness Sheridan Crozier

Still a lot of old stagers needing replacement, but that's a start.

Let's say we got Fyfe (and lost Fisher) though...

FB: Geary - Carlisle - Dempster
HB: Savage - Gilbert - Webster
RK: Hickey - Fyfe - Steven
CR: Newnes - Armitage - Ross
HF: Riewoldt - McCartin - Billings
FF: Weller - Bruce - Membrey
IC (from): Montagna Dunstan Acres Gresham Roberton

Yo.

 

[dewah07]

Purple's latest quoteless, baseless effort is 'Lobb to the Dockers'...

Makes for some interesting hypotheticals though, particularly in light of the murmurings about Fyfe.

IF, and it's an unbelievably huge if, Fyfe was open to a move, Freo could look to cash in on him whilst he's still contracted so they can get maximum value for him. Yes he's been out for a year with recurring leg issues, but he's the reigning Brownlow Medallist, young, and one of the best players in the game.

How then would any trade get done, and what would it mean for Freo overall?

1. Fyfe is comfortably worth a 'Treloar deal', so let's say two first rounders to Fremantle, though it may cost more.

2. Freo surely need to address their aging and spud-filled list and we already know that McCarthy and Brad Hill are their major targets so far.

3. Let's take Purple seriously for the moment (odd, I know), and factor in Lobb.

4. Hill is not worth a first IMO; he was Pick 33 in 2011 and despite his premiership medal I don't think his value has appreciably risen from that. Factor in he allegedly wants to go home.

5. Lobb most certainly is; he gives Freo height, youth and versatility in one go, and has been a revelation this year. He was Pick 29 in 2013 and his value is rising weekly.

6. The Dockers also want McCarthy, but a year or more out of the game, and indeed out of the system entirely, plus mental health demons makes his value hard to assess; Pick 14 in 2013, but God knows now.

Could it be that Fyfe leaves for two firsts, and Freo pick up Hill, Lobb and McCarthy for a first, second and something, leaving them with a first this year or next as well?

I'd considering offering two firsts for Fyfe personally... Though I'll concede the price might be higher than the club is willing to pay.

Also, that leaves the Dockers with something like this side in 2017;

FB: Dawson - A.Pearce - Ibbotson
HB: Tucker - Johnson - Sutcliffe
RK: Sandilands - Mundy - Neale
CR: S.Hill - Blakely - B.Hill
HF: Weller - Taberner - Walters
FF: Ballantyne - McCarthy - Lobb
IC: Bennell* Apeness Sheridan Crozier

Still a lot of old stagers needing replacement, but that's a start.

Let's say we got Fyfe (and lost Fisher) though...

FB: Geary - Carlisle - Dempster
HB: Savage - Gilbert - Webster
RK: Hickey - Fyfe - Steven
CR: Newnes - Armitage - Ross
HF: Riewoldt - McCartin - Billings
FF: Weller - Bruce - Membrey
IC (from): Montagna Dunstan Acres Gresham Roberton

Yo.

i believed you up until you had acres on the bench and fyfe in the middle..

 

[gringo2011]

Yep i agree.
I think we already have our future midfield depth on the list.
I think guys like lonie and sinclair are destined to become mids, like the way dahlhouse has done for example.

I don't think we have depth still. We have Armo and Steven who are top shelf then Ross who probably getting close now. Drop back and we go to Dunstan who is probably only just b grade ATM but has scope for improvement. We lack contested possession winners still and despite Gresham having a great game Carlton were like witches-hats by the time he got a run in there. I think we need to find another high output mid who can win the ball in tight and play outside footy. And some outside run. Acres looks promising but he isn't there yet, Gresham will have to be judged over a longer period not a game so i feel we need to increase the depth now. Steele, crouch etc all ideal to instantly increase output and depth.

When you compare even to melbourne we come up short.
They have Vince, Viney, Nath Jones and Tyson who are all close to a grade, Bradshaw, Petracca, Oliver who are very likely to be stars, they then have guys like Harms and Van Den Berg who look talented, Salem, Neal- Bullen, Michie, Matt Jones and Kennedy who are all possible high end then Trengove who is a forgotten man but his best is A grade. It looks as if they are working through a whole lot of players to condense down into a best set up still. We are still in the hope that guys like Eli and Sinclair can possibly make a play at a midfield spot. I think we need some more.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Forward pockets don't rack up 30 possie games at sandi. He played all of his juniors in the middle then had to make way for various reasons e.g. being ****en tiny

How many possies did Milney rack up that day at Coburg? Plenty IIRC.

He'll no doubt spend some time higher up the ground but he'll predominantly play in the forward 50.

Then again, maybe I'm just totally wrong & we should go after Ballantine, Jong & play Lonie in the guts. [emoji15]


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[Winmar2Lockett]

Two firsts to Freo for Fyfe?

Where do I sign.


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[gringo2011]

Purple's latest quoteless, baseless effort is 'Lobb to the Dockers'...

Makes for some interesting hypotheticals though, particularly in light of the murmurings about Fyfe.

IF, and it's an unbelievably huge if, Fyfe was open to a move, Freo could look to cash in on him whilst he's still contracted so they can get maximum value for him. Yes he's been out for a year with recurring leg issues, but he's the reigning Brownlow Medallist, young, and one of the best players in the game.

How then would any trade get done, and what would it mean for Freo overall?

1. Fyfe is comfortably worth a 'Treloar deal', so let's say two first rounders to Fremantle, though it may cost more.

2. Freo surely need to address their aging and spud-filled list and we already know that McCarthy and Brad Hill are their major targets so far.

3. Let's take Purple seriously for the moment (odd, I know), and factor in Lobb.

4. Hill is not worth a first IMO; he was Pick 33 in 2011 and despite his premiership medal I don't think his value has appreciably risen from that. Factor in he allegedly wants to go home.

5. Lobb most certainly is; he gives Freo height, youth and versatility in one go, and has been a revelation this year. He was Pick 29 in 2013 and his value is rising weekly.

6. The Dockers also want McCarthy, but a year or more out of the game, and indeed out of the system entirely, plus mental health demons makes his value hard to assess; Pick 14 in 2013, but God knows now.

Could it be that Fyfe leaves for two firsts, and Freo pick up Hill, Lobb and McCarthy for a first, second and something, leaving them with a first this year or next as well?

I'd considering offering two firsts for Fyfe personally... Though I'll concede the price might be higher than the club is willing to pay.

Also, that leaves the Dockers with something like this side in 2017;

FB: Dawson - A.Pearce - Ibbotson
HB: Tucker - Johnson - Sutcliffe
RK: Sandilands - Mundy - Neale
CR: S.Hill - Blakely - B.Hill
HF: Weller - Taberner - Walters
FF: Ballantyne - McCarthy - Lobb
IC (from) Barlow Bennell* Apeness Sheridan Crozier

Still a lot of old stagers needing replacement, but that's a start.

Let's say we got Fyfe (and lost Fisher) though...

FB: Geary - Carlisle - Dempster
HB: Savage - Gilbert - Webster
RK: Hickey - Fyfe - Steven
CR: Newnes - Armitage - Ross
HF: Riewoldt - McCartin - Billings
FF: Weller - Bruce - Membrey
IC (from): Montagna Dunstan Acres Gresham Roberton

Yo.

I reckon Freo get Mc Carthy almost free now. GWS really don't hold any cards so it will be charity what ever they get. They might steak knife him with Lobb. they should be able to get Lobb and Mc Carthy for pick 3 or what ever they end up with and probably a pick coming back their way. They should rebound pretty quickly if they get a few freebies like that. hawks will probably have to let Hill go cheap but probably still their second round pick gone or the pick they get back from GWS from the above package. It suits Lyon's way of topping up and gives them a huge return.

 

[Roadto2018]

I don't think we have depth still. We have Armo and Steven who are top shelf then Ross who probably getting close now. Drop back and we go to Dunstan who is probably only just b grade ATM but has scope for improvement. We lack contested possession winners still and despite Gresham having a great game Carlton were like witches-hats by the time he got a run in there. I think we need to find another high output mid who can win the ball in tight and play outside footy. And some outside run. Acres looks promising but he isn't there yet, Gresham will have to be judged over a longer period not a game so i feel we need to increase the depth now. Steele, crouch etc all ideal to instantly increase output and depth.

When you compare even to melbourne we come up short.
They have Vince, Viney, Nath Jones and Tyson who are all close to a grade, Bradshaw, Petracca, Oliver who are very likely to be stars, they then have guys like Harms and Van Den Berg who look talented, Salem, Neal- Bullen, Michie, Matt Jones and Kennedy who are all possible high end then Trengove who is a forgotten man but his best is A grade. It looks as if they are working through a whole lot of players to condense down into a best set up still. We are still in the hope that guys like Eli and Sinclair can possibly make a play at a midfield spot. I think we need some more.

Matt Jones is, to quote choomah, a lemon. Michie isn't much better almost worse, don't rate Kennedy, Trengove won't get back to being anything close to A grade, think we're fine if sinclair and eli don't make it to play midfield, Steven Ross Armo Newnes Acres Billings Gresham Dunstan is a very good midfield 8, you add Freeman to that hopefully and it's very nice, Steele would add to that of course, but you're wrong in saying we're relying or even hoping eli and sincs become afl mids. We won't get Crouch but even keeping our first pick this year I'd back a taranto type to become part of our midfield in not too long.

 

[Barrels]

I reckon Freo get Mc Carthy almost free now. GWS really don't hold any cards so it will be charity what ever they get. They might steak knife him with Lobb. they should be able to get Lobb and Mc Carthy for pick 3 or what ever they end up with and probably a pick coming back their way. They should rebound pretty quickly if they get a few freebies like that. hawks will probably have to let Hill go cheap but probably still their second round pick gone or the pick they get back from GWS from the above package. It suits Lyon's way of topping up and gives them a huge return.

Even without Fyfe, a midfield with both Hills, Neale, Mundy, Barlow, Blakely, Lachie Weller and a head-right and fit Bennell isn't something to be dismissed...

 

[pebblesofsand]

Creating depth lesson 1.1...

Delist Tom Curren... Trade in Jack Steele

Instant list upgrade, instant best 22 player & Forces current perceived best 22 player out creating list depth as the omitted player then works harder to get back into the team

There ends the lesson

Lin Jong would be a 21-26 best player at present. After this years trade/draft period, he would be pushed down the pecking order even further 24-30 player.

Go for elite talents like Steele & WHE who have an exponential amount more upside

A potential midfielder pushed down 4 places in one trading period - whoah go Ameet - that's some trading given we are also picking up Hurley and Marchbank. Don't get me wrong Steele would be a great pick up but we have to look at upgrading the bottom end as well.

Steele (pick 24 in 2014) would cost us a first round pick (currently 9/10?) with possibly a late pick back or steak knives (WHE - see below), or second round and players (except we don't have a second round pick) because he actually gets a game for GWS and gets the ball when he plays.

WHE has been in the system for 5 years (Pick 4 2011) and has managed a staggering 2 games @ 10 possessions this year (not sure how he deserves an "elite" tag) and would be at best a 2nd round pick (which we don't have).

So the problem is - who do you trade out to get a second round pick.

Other than possibly Jimmy Webster (11 games @ 15) I can't see many clubs being willing to would hand over an early second rounder for any of the talent available in our 19 to 25 best players this year.

Curren (0 games)
Shenton (0 games)
Murdoch (2 games @ 10 possessions)
Eli (2 games @ 9)
McKenzie (6 games @ 11)
Wright (7 games @ 9)
Lonie (8 games @ 10)
Sinclair (9 games @ 12)
Minch (12 games @ 11).

So that leaves us trading starting 18 and the only one I can see that might fit the bill is David Armitage and then all you've done is hopefully upgrade the starting 18.

As for Jong - I'd put him at 19 to 25 on our list at the moment - above at least 5 of the players I've listed above.

 

[gringo2011]

Even without Fyfe, a midfield with both Hills, Neale, Mundy, Barlow, Blakely, Lachie Weller and a head-right and fit Bennell isn't something to be dismissed...

Put in Mc carthy and Lobb and even now they would be a decent team, Bennell is a gun at his best and with Hill as well they all of a sudden have a heap of pace and skill with some x factor as well. They should jump back up pretty quickly. I reckon they could easily not get rid of Fyfe and turn pick 3 into Lobb, Mc Carthy and Hill if they are smart about it. If they could get another KPD they are on their way to finals again.

 

[AFLOnline]

Purple's latest quoteless, baseless effort is 'Lobb to the Dockers'...

Makes for some interesting hypotheticals though, particularly in light of the murmurings about Fyfe.

IF, and it's an unbelievably huge if, Fyfe was open to a move, Freo could look to cash in on him whilst he's still contracted so they can get maximum value for him. Yes he's been out for a year with recurring leg issues, but he's the reigning Brownlow Medallist, young, and one of the best players in the game.

How then would any trade get done, and what would it mean for Freo overall?

1. Fyfe is comfortably worth a 'Treloar deal', so let's say two first rounders to Fremantle, though it may cost more.

2. Freo surely need to address their aging and 'role-player'-filled list and we already know that McCarthy and Brad Hill are their major targets so far.

3. Let's take Purple seriously for the moment (odd, I know), and factor in Lobb.

4. Hill is not worth a first IMO; he was Pick 33 in 2011 and despite his premiership medal I don't think his value has appreciably risen from that. Factor in he allegedly wants to go home.

5. Lobb most certainly is; he gives Freo height, youth and versatility in one go, and has been a revelation this year. He was Pick 29 in 2013 and his value is rising weekly.

6. The Dockers also want McCarthy, but a year or more out of the game, and indeed out of the system entirely, plus mental health demons makes his value hard to assess; Pick 14 in 2013, but God knows now.

Could it be that Fyfe leaves for two firsts, and Freo pick up Hill, Lobb and McCarthy for a first, second and something, leaving them with a first this year or next as well?

I'd considering offering two firsts for Fyfe personally... Though I'll concede the price might be higher than the club is willing to pay.

Also, that leaves the Dockers with something like this side in 2017;

FB: Dawson - A.Pearce - Ibbotson
HB: Tucker - Johnson - Sutcliffe
RK: Sandilands - Mundy - Neale
CR: S.Hill - Blakely - B.Hill
HF: Weller - Taberner - Walters
FF: Ballantyne - McCarthy - Lobb
IC (from) Barlow Bennell* Apeness Sheridan Crozier

Still a lot of old stagers needing replacement, but that's a start.

Let's say we got Fyfe (and lost Fisher) though...

FB: Geary - Carlisle - Dempster
HB: Savage - Gilbert - Webster
RK: Hickey - Fyfe - Steven
CR: Newnes - Armitage - Ross
HF: Riewoldt - McCartin - Billings
FF: Weller - Bruce - Membrey
IC (from): Montagna Dunstan Acres Gresham Roberton

Yo.

I've noticed you like listing teams.

 

[bird_man]

A potential midfielder pushed down 4 places in one trading period - whoah go Ameet - that's some trading given we are also picking up Hurley and Marchbank. Don't get me wrong Steele would be a great pick up but we have to look at upgrading the bottom end as well.

Steele (pick 24 in 2014) would cost us a first round pick (currently 9/10?) with possibly a late pick back or steak knives (WHE - see below), or second round and players (except we don't have a second round pick) because he actually gets a game for GWS and gets the ball when he plays.

WHE has been in the system for 5 years (Pick 4 2011) and has managed a staggering 2 games @ 10 possessions this year (not sure how he deserves an "elite" tag) and would be at best a 2nd round pick (which we don't have).

So the problem is - who do you trade out to get a second round pick.

Other than possibly Jimmy Webster (11 games @ 15) I can't see many clubs being willing to would hand over an early second rounder for any of the talent available in our 19 to 25 best players this year.

Curren (0 games)
Shenton (0 games)
Murdoch (2 games @ 10 possessions)
Eli (2 games @ 9)
McKenzie (6 games @ 11)
Wright (7 games @ 9)
Lonie (8 games @ 10)
Sinclair (9 games @ 12)
Minch (12 games @ 11).

So that leaves us trading starting 18 and the only one I can see that might fit the bill is David Armitage and then all you've done is hopefully upgrade the starting 18.

As for Jong - I'd put him at 19 to 25 on our list at the moment - above at least 5 of the players I've listed above.

Steele was bidded on at pick 15 by North Melbourne.

If we were only trading for Steele, I don't see us using our first round pick. Next years second would be close.

Steele is a second year player with a lot of improvement left in him.

Jong is 23 years old and still a fringe player. He may still have some improvement in him, but not a great deal IMO.

 

[gringo2011]

Matt Jones is, to quote choomah, a lemon. Michie isn't much better almost worse, don't rate Kennedy, Trengove won't get back to being anything close to A grade, think we're fine if sinclair and eli don't make it to play midfield, Steven Ross Armo Newnes Acres Billings Gresham Dunstan is a very good midfield 8, you add Freeman to that hopefully and it's very nice, Steele would add to that of course, but you're wrong in saying we're relying or even hoping eli and sincs become afl mids. We won't get Crouch but even keeping our first pick this year I'd back a taranto type to become part of our midfield in not too long.

Hey I love Chooma but he's not an authority. He pretty much doesn't like any one other than Saints players. The point is I have seen enough from Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw to say all three will be high level players and true mids. Viney is a gun, Nath Jones is a gun and Vince and Tyson are high output mids who are probably just off the top line mids. They have a few in development who are too early to call still. we have guys who are already there and a few in development and not the same quality yet. Billings, Acres and Gresh are all likely but probably still behind the three Melbourne guys at this stage. Newnes is a wing man which is a mid role but he's not a on ball contested-ball winner like some of their boys. We are ahead in the rebuild from were I thought we were because we are winning games but we still remain vulnerable to injury while we don't have depth. I think our biggest hole is that now. If all our players come on we have the best development people in the game, realistically not all will make it so we need to add to the pool.

 

[Barrels]

I've noticed you like listing teams.

You must be new here...

 

[StCicatriz]

Even without Fyfe, a midfield with both Hills, Neale, Mundy, Barlow, Blakely, Lachie Weller and a head-right and fit Bennell isn't something to be dismissed...

Mundy and barlow are just about done

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Our first for Steele and a late first back is completely doable imho

9 for Steele and 16-18

I'd take that, I'm sure we have someone we think is good late in the first round

 

[gringo2011]

Steele was bidded on at pick 15 by North Melbourne.

If we were only trading for Steele, I don't see us using our first round pick. Next years second would be close.

Steele is a second year player with a lot of improvement left in him.

Jong is 23 years old and still a fringe player. He may still have some improvement in him, but not a great deal IMO.

The whole Jong thing is ridiculous, he's not a direct either or, he would purely be cheap depth with potential who is behind guys at the Dogs who are better. It's a similar situation to Steele but Steele looks a much more likely prospect but will cost more also. If we get Hurley we won't get Steele or anyone else because we have our first pick and then third and fourth rounders. Neither are likely to get Steele so we would have to take from next year again and Hurley will take our first pick next year and this year. Steele next years second but we probably can't even do that because of the rules in place. Anyway it depends on what else we get as to who we can trade for.

 

[karaoke]

Even without Fyfe, a midfield with both Hills, Neale, Mundy, Barlow, Blakely, Lachie Weller and a head-right and fit Bennell isn't something to be dismissed...

Some talk of him pulling on a red & blue guernsey next year.

 

[gringo2011]

Some talk of him pulling on a red & blue guernsey next year.

Melbourne really don't need him, they need KP players.

 

[gringo2011]

Our first for Steele and a late first back is completely doable imho

9 for Steele and 16-18

I'd take that, I'm sure we have someone we think is good late in the first round

I don't know, I rate Steele but I'm not sure that's good value, you can arse it like we did with Gresham but last year had a good 5 or 6 then a really even spread up into the 20s. I reckon this is a tighter top end with a really good front end but a bit of a drop away in the teens and a pretty ordinary back end.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

I don't know, I rate Steele but I'm not sure that's good value, you can arse it like we did with Gresham but last year had a good 5 or 6 then a really even spread up into the 20s. I reckon this is a tighter top end with a really good front end but a bit of a drop away in the teens and a pretty ordinary back end.

Yep, sorry I fluffed that one

I meant Steele and a first rounder for next years 1st

GWS rate picks next year higher for academy and a perceived lack of teams will to give them up

So 12/13 next year for Steele and 16-18 this year.

Suspect we will trade a ruck next year to get back into first (no idea who)

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Our first for Steele and a late first back is completely doable imho

9 for Steele and 16-18

I'd take that, I'm sure we have someone we think is good late in the first round

I like that but try for whe as steak knives as well.