Strategy Trade and List Management thread 2.(...the waiting for the hammer to fall edition)

[fronkalicious]

Koby always goes like a donkey first up. He's afl standard, and would help a bunch of teams. I'd keep him if he was cheap, but he's not, and we need to balance our list.

Keep hrovat if we can. He 's sharp, and we need more of that.

Jong hopefully walks.

Must must must sign campbell. If he was playing for another team we'd be all over him. Good player, and I firmly believe we can win a flag with him and roughie as our ruck combination.

Get Mckenzie (2nd rounder) and cloke (4th). Pick up a DFA ruckman for nothing and draft a key forward prospect.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Koby always goes like a donkey first up. He's afl standard, and would help a bunch of teams. I'd keep him if he was cheap, but he's not, and we need to balance our list.

Keep hrovat if we can. He 's sharp, and we need more of that.

Jong hopefully walks.

Must must must sign campbell. If he was playing for another team we'd be all over him. Good player, and I firmly believe we can win a flag with him and roughie as our ruck combination.

Get Mckenzie (2nd rounder) and cloke (4th). Pick up a DFA ruckman for nothing and draft a key forward prospect.

Agree on BTC. I don't understand why he hasn't been signed already - unless the club is confident on getting another unsigned ruck man who is an upgrade on him. Nicholls?

What's your thoughts on Toyd and how the club's using him? Mobile full forward who develops the tank to take that saving mark on the wing? Or a part time ruck who goes deep forward and drags a couple of defenders with him?

 

[BRWB]

Agree on BTC. I don't understand why he hasn't been signed already - unless the club is confident on getting another unsigned ruck man who is an upgrade on him. Nicholls?

What's your thoughts on Toyd and how the club's using him? Mobile full forward who develops the tank to take that saving mark on the wing? Or a part time ruck who goes deep forward and drags a couple of defenders with him?

Injuries to BTC and Rough haven't given us a choice. Minson yesterday demonstrated why he hasn't been playing - poor bugger is cooked. Our performance has dropped since BTC was out.

I think our preferred structure has Boyd mainly fwd with Rough and BTC rucking and swapping fwd.

Be interested to see what happens with Campbell, and our other uncontracted players for that matter.

 

[Mofra]

If the rumours of Jong to Collingwood are true, we need to take the deal and run.

If someone said a kid who is 21 years old and 2 days and who is derided by the entire AFL would be our second most important player right now (behind Bonti) we would have laughed at the start of the year.
We desperately need support for Boyd and that means rucking him less even though he's our best ruck right now.
Camhead worked but we had zero AFL standard ruck cover once one of them went down injured - and neither of them have completed an AFL season in the ruck without injury.

We need a matur(ish) ruck and some form of KPF cover.

 

[Mofra]

Be interested to see what happens with Campbell, and our other uncontracted players for that matter.

We desperately need to sign Campbell and we need cover. If we let Campbell walk we're nuts.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Injuries to BTC and Rough haven't given us a choice. Minson yesterday demonstrated why he hasn't been playing - poor bugger is cooked. Our performance has dropped since BTC was out.

I think our preferred structure has Boyd mainly fwd with Rough and BTC rucking and swapping fwd.

Be interested to see what happens with Campbell, and our other uncontracted players for that matter.

Minson ruined Toyd's game yesterday. Had to spend way too much time in the Ruck and already has a dodgy ankle...

 

[Doggies_13]

We must sign Campbell and hamling back up.

Stevens and Jong I would let go for trade

Minson and prudden are gone
Adcock and goetz off the rookie list.

Not fussed with either of clay ( atrocious kick and doesn't get enough ball, hard as nails though and brings pressure) hrovat ( injury prone, will always be depth at best)

Been pretty vocal about not wanting big list changes from the start but we need kpp snot just depth but guys who can make the starting 18.

Cloke is the answer for a couple of years and should come cheap well worth a look, we also need to add another kpf hopefully at a low cost and a year or two development on another list.

Like the idea of Mckenzie but think he may cost us more than a second rounder that I think he is worth. Will get shot down but Jack Frost would be another option to look at on the cheap but we do actually have depth in kpd (hamling, Roberts, Collins, Cordy)

We need a quality ruck, not just ruck depth and someone that wins hitouts to advantage which none of our rucks do that well. Who is actually out there that can do this?

Jong to pies Cloke ( & possibly frost) to us
Our second rounder to Eagles for Mckenzie
Stevens out third rounder to us

Think hrovat and clay are worth a third rounder at best

 

[Dogs54]

I'm sold - not because Cloke is any good, but because we need to start using Toyd for the purpose we bought him in to the club.

Unless the club sees a Dean Cox mk2, I don't know why we keep insisting on using him as a back up ruckman.

Because Toyd can also play as a forward and our other back up ruckmen can only play ruck.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Not so bullish about getting rid of C Smith. See what he can dish up next year after getting some continuity back into his footy.

Wouldn't mind seeing R Smith getting upgraded. Could be Wood Mk2

 

[Roscoe_au]

Need to keep a pick to draft Ben Long from our Reserves side.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Shock - Clay Smith struggling a bit after coming back from 3 (!) ACLs (still kicking goals in a team that can't kick goals mind you)...and now people want to trade him out for peanuts...

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

A good preseason is what Clay needs.
Sign up BTC, Moyd and Hrovat.
Trade Stevens and Jong.
Trade in Cloke, to cover while Boyd develops, a ruck and another defender.

 

[bullfrogz]

A good preseason is what Clay needs.
Sign up BTC, Moyd and Hrovat.
Trade Stevens and Jong.
Trade in Cloke, to cover while Boyd develops, a ruck and another defender.

wow .on the radio just said robbie gray has been sniffing around

 

[Mr. Walker]

Koby always goes like a donkey.

Edited for accuracy

 

[Roscoe_au]

wow .on the radio just said robbie gray has been sniffing around

Is signed until the end of 2018

 

[Dogs till i die]

Hearing Mitch Honeychurch will be seeking a trade due to lack of opportunities and a belief he is not rated by the coaches. Personally think he would only give us a 3rd rounder pick.

What's his contractual arrangements?

 

[cleveland]

Hearing Mitch Honeychurch will be seeking a trade due to lack of opportunities and a belief he is not rated by the coaches. Personally think he would only give us a 3rd rounder pick.

What's his contractual arrangements?

He has a year to run. I fully understand where he is coming from!! He isnt rated

 

[BrisDog]

A good preseason is what Clay needs.
Sign up BTC, Moyd and Hrovat.
Trade Stevens and Jong.
Trade in Cloke, to cover while Boyd develops, a ruck and another defender.

Agree with all above, except:

- Keep Jong*
- Trade Hrovat

(Unless someone is willing to throw something stupid at us eg. Late first, early second)

 

[Roscoe_au]

There are players on our list who I don't think can 'bring it' at the pointy end of the season when things really heat up on the ground. So, my delist/trade list is based on that...

Delist/Trade
HoneyChurch
Hrovat (now while he has currency)
Minson
Jong
Stevens
Adcock (already gone)
Goetz (already gone)
Prudden (never got a chance...but whether we can carry him through rehab...dunno)

 

[LordLucifer]

I reckon Jong and Hrovat might get us one early second. Don't see them fetching two.

If that was a deal on the table, I reckon we (ie. Carlton) would jump on that.

 

[webbo]

I'd be reticent to get rid of Hrovat. Usually he's a decent kick and hasn't got that good of a run at it. Also don't think his value is all that high.

Stevens, Jong, Honeychurch are all tradeable assets I'd imagine, whether they go for anything decent is a different question. Praying we keep Campbell.

 

[LordLucifer]

If the rumours of Jong to Collingwood are true, we need to take the deal and run.

If someone said a kid who is 21 years old and 2 days and who is derided by the entire AFL would be our second most important player right now (behind Bonti) we would have laughed at the start of the year.
We desperately need support for Boyd and that means rucking him less even though he's our best ruck right now.
Camhead worked but we had zero AFL standard ruck cover once one of them went down injured - and neither of them have completed an AFL season in the ruck without injury.

We need a matur(ish) ruck and some form of KPF cover.

Could we offer you Kreuzer & Casboult for a package of your excess mids ??

 

[fronkalicious]

Barrett just said on AAA that we're the front runners for Cloke and he thinks we're pushing to get something finalised there asap.

 

[boydsno1]

Kruezer yes. Casbolt is a great mark but useless kicking for goal. Would prefer Cloke and his a bad kick too.

 

[boydsno1]

Barrett just said on AAA that we're the front runners for Cloke and he thinks we're pushing to get something finalised there asap.

I like it. Cloke is also a big name and can help with the casual supporters gain interest.