Traded Jaeger O'Meara [traded to Hawthorn for pick 10 and GWS's 2017 2nd rd pick]

[Myles]

we haven't had a pick like that for ages.

Good, you'll see another one in 2 years then.

 

[bumsonseats]

A bit more than **** all and a little less than half a bag of smiths chips.

No that was pick 88 for Sammy and pick f#@k all for Jordan Lewis

 

[Madness101]

pick 15 = 1,112 plus pick 24 = 785 Total 1897

pick 10 = 1,395 plus pick 48 = 302 Total 1697

I would also rate two top 30 picks a head of the pick 10 more so than what the AFL system has.

 

[threesixpio]

Your trying to sound like you know what's best for our club but you don't have any idea about trying to built a club in a rugby stronghold and comparing us to GWS and their consessions just highlights it. Chalk and cheese

I know they have had better concessions but sorry mate there is no way this is the only reason they are kicking your ass. Compare your team with the other 17 teams re picks - you should be super awesome by now.

 

[threesixpio]

Good, you'll see another one in 2 years then.

I'm quite enjoying your posting (you don't take things as seriously as others around here and this was quite funny)

 

[Hawkk]

Then how did Hawthorn reach 69k?

75,500 members actually which admittedly shits on the Suns, no?

 

[Grizzly86]

If Cochrane holds, this will keep footy in the media for a while and give the GC a bit of press they can beat their chests about for a while.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Then how did Hawthorn reach 69k?

Pets.

Serious.

 

[threesixpio]

No that was pick 88 for Sammy and pick f#@k all for Jordan Lewis

Yeah - pick 10 must seem like the equivalent of pick 88 when you get heaps of concessions and sit on the bottom year after year getting heaps of early picks.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

But I was serious - its very hard trading players there.

They went into the trade period saying they want players and yet they will likely walk out with picks 4,6,8 and Pierce Hanley. There is a very big problem there

Why wouldn't they be spending the year trying to improve the culture of the club? Why weren't they making a big play for Sammy M as player/assistant coach? He would have been terrific for the club.

What is "culture". How does one define such an arbitrary term? How does one create it? Seems unless you have a healthy dose of success and a bright path ahead, you have **** all chance of convincing players that there is a future at that club regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem or which coach is giving the rev ups. Letting one of your star players walk for a deal that's obviously unders does nothing except reinforce the status as a minnow club that's there to train players for the Victorian teams. I can't see pick 10 being a great boost to the Suns "culture".

The second problem is that GC is in Queensland, where few AFL players want to live. Moving from Melbourne to the GC is quite difficult when you have a family and friends, as you might understand. Usually when teams bottom out, they go straight back up in a few seasons. The QLD teams aren't doing that because their young talent keeps departing for unders, preventing the club from advancing. So clearly something has to change.

Compare it to GWS - champion team, great coach, good culture.

And a steady stream of academy picks to replenish departing talent that can handily be farmed for more top draft picks. Until the GC academy starts pumping out the numbers enjoyed by GWS, it's hard to see them getting to that level. But then again, GC isn't blessed to have an academy close enough to Victoria to benefit from everyone playing AFL and good proximity to the TAC cup either.

 

[Messenger]

interesting to see Cochrane being pilloried for doing nothing more than standing up for a struggling and stuttering new franchise

if it was Kevin Sheedy, we'd all be saying 'good work Sheeds'...Cohrane is obviously not in Sheeds' class when it comes to verbal dexterity but you can't doubt his passion or his pluck

as to why no other club Chairmen behave this way? well, desperate times call for desperate measures and things have rarely been more desperate than the current state of AFL in Queensland #deadcanary

I don't have a problem with a club standing up for itself either; lord knows we don't see it often enough.

I think the issue with Cochrane is the megaphone negotiation; it smacks of petulance.

Every team has their **** ups but Hawthorn have been reasonable to deal with over the years.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I know they have had better concessions but sorry mate there is no way this is the only reason they are kicking your ass. Compare your team with the other 17 teams re picks - you should be super awesome by now.

We should be better no doubt but like for like is not a fair comparison

 

[2006_Eagles]

What's that roughly equivalent to.....10 and 48...?????

In points maybe.

In terms of player quality not even close

 

[Killer79]

**** it, I am taking the day off work tomorrow and I am gonna slug cans all day and cheer like **** for old mate Tony!

 

[threesixpio]

What is "culture". How does one define such an arbitrary term? How does one create it? Seems unless you have a healthy dose of success and a bright path ahead, you have **** all chance of convincing players that there is a future at that club regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem or which coach is giving the rev ups. Letting one of your star players walk for a deal that's obviously unders does nothing except reinforce the status as a minnow club that's there to train players for the Victorian teams. I can't see pick 10 being a great boost to the Suns "culture".

The second problem is that GC is in Queensland, where few AFL players want to live. Moving from Melbourne to the GC is quite difficult when you have a family and friends, as you might understand. Usually when teams bottom out, they go straight back up in a few seasons. The QLD teams aren't doing that because their young talent keeps departing for unders, preventing the club from advancing. So clearly something has to change.


And a steady stream of academy picks to replenish departing talent that can handily be farmed for more top draft picks. Until the GC academy starts pumping out the numbers enjoyed by GWS, it's hard to see them getting to that level. But then again, GC isn't blessed to have an academy close enough to Victoria to benefit from everyone playing AFL and good proximity to the TAC cup either.

Bullshit. Culture was letting Sammy M and Lewis going for SFA because it was in their interests event though we got shit picks. Its about being interested in people long terms and investing in them.

 

[2DMB]

So pick 10 is ok though?

At what number between 5 and 10 does he move from being a broken knee degenerate too a great pick up player?

We have given him a medical and believe (rightly or wrongly) that we can manage the issue. My point is which other team that haven't even had the opportunity for their medical team to assess the knee will take a punt on him with a pick in the top 10? If you can't follow that then I can't help you

 

[Grizzly86]

Which Hawks fans here will spontaneously combust at 2pm tomorrow if the trade doesn't go through? Be honest...

 

[tombomb]

this might be completely ignorant or someone else may have raised it ...

But if O'Meara goes into the National Draft, and Gold Coast call his name at pick 8 ... would he automatically have to go onto a 1st round draftee 2 year contract with Gold Coast?

 

[threesixpio]

What is "culture". How does one define such an arbitrary term? How does one create it? Seems unless you have a healthy dose of success and a bright path ahead, you have **** all chance of convincing players that there is a future at that club regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem or which coach is giving the rev ups. Letting one of your star players walk for a deal that's obviously unders does nothing except reinforce the status as a minnow club that's there to train players for the Victorian teams. I can't see pick 10 being a great boost to the Suns "culture".

The second problem is that GC is in Queensland, where few AFL players want to live. Moving from Melbourne to the GC is quite difficult when you have a family and friends, as you might understand. Usually when teams bottom out, they go straight back up in a few seasons. The QLD teams aren't doing that because their young talent keeps departing for unders, preventing the club from advancing. So clearly something has to change.


And a steady stream of academy picks to replenish departing talent that can handily be farmed for more top draft picks. Until the GC academy starts pumping out the numbers enjoyed by GWS, it's hard to see them getting to that level. But then again, GC isn't blessed to have an academy close enough to Victoria to benefit from everyone playing AFL and good proximity to the TAC cup either.

You want to marry the Gold Coast Suns

 

[Gohawthorn13]

3 way trade idea.
Suns out: O'Meara,
In: pick 10, Lyons, 2017 2nd
Hawks out: pick 10, 1 of Sheils, Burton or Smith
In: O'Meara
Crows out: Lyons, 2017 2nd
In: 1 of shiels, Burton or Smith

Option for hawthorn if not Lyons for pick 26 without Hawks involved.

I wouldn't trade shiels or smith by themselves for omeara let alone with pick 10, 10 and 48 is a lot fairer than people realise treloar went for two first rounders and omeara would have got the same but hasn't played in two years his valuation is somewhere near Prestia's value, and they got one first rounder and gave a second rounder back.

 

[bumsonseats]

Only one of our 2 clubs has been on the brink of being a badge on a Demons jumper.

Unlike the AFL HQ badge you already have on yours

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I know they have had better concessions but sorry mate there is no way this is the only reason they are kicking your ass. Compare your team with the other 17 teams re picks - you should be super awesome by now.

O'Meara injured, Swallow injured, Bennell on drugs, Gaz injured, Prestia injured...... If those five were playing (full seasons) this year, Suns would have run Melbourne and St. Kilda very close.

 

[bumsonseats]

I wouldn't trade shiels or smith by themselves for omeara let alone with pick 10, 10 and 48 is a lot fairer than people realise treloar went for two first rounders and omeara would have got the same but hasn't played in two years his valuation is somewhere near Prestia's value, and they got one first rounder and gave a second rounder back.

I would tend to agree

 

[Deadly Darcy]

he can and has.

Not if he goes into the draft . 16 hours and counting. Trust Jaeger is getting his beauty sleep!

 

[STP18]

Can't wait to see what the 'Big Tone' has in store for us tomorrow.