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If that is the reason fair enough. Has it been confirmed by anyone?

WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THE CLUB JUST SAY THAT THEN INSTEAD OF WAFFLING ON ABOUT LIST SIZES IN 2018 AND WE WERE ALWAYS PASSING?
I think 6BTS said that they got that from someone at the club.

I agree that the club's public (lack of) explanation on this subject has been dismal.
 
I actually think there were several factors at work here. I think the 2018 list size was a consideration, as is/was the ability to promote a Cat B rookie next year. I have my fingers crossed that they are/were also keeping an eye on the salary cap, with a view to banking as much as possible for a major raid on a genuine A-grade player during next year's FA period. Fingers crossed.

Combine all of those factors together, and it was probably a good decision. Just a very poorly communicated one.
 
Actually we're only one player short. We have 39 on the senior list, 4 cat A rookies, plus 2 cat B rookies.

Saying that we went one short in both drafts is double counting the same vacancy. The pick we passed on in the RD only existed because we passed in the ND. It's the same pick, passed on twice.

Good call.
 

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I actually think there were several factors at work here. I think the 2018 list size was a consideration, as is/was the ability to promote a Cat B rookie next year. I have my fingers crossed that they are/were also keeping an eye on the salary cap, with a view to banking as much as possible for a major raid on a genuine A-grade player during next year's FA period. Fingers crossed.

Combine all of those factors together, and it was probably a good decision. Just a very poorly communicated one.

Do the cat B's need to be elevated through a vacant spot in the rookie list? If that's the case, Shaw could have stayed on the primary list on LTI, leaving an extra spot for a rookie, plus the open position for the double banger upgrade. Salary cap can't be a problem, we could have just not paid out his contract this year. Plus we had about $500k available for Gibbs, which isn't being spent. $100k to Shaw, if the amount left to pay is even that much, wouldn't be club defining in 2017/18.
 
I actually think there were several factors at work here. I think the 2018 list size was a consideration, as is/was the ability to promote a Cat B rookie next year. I have my fingers crossed that they are/were also keeping an eye on the salary cap, with a view to banking as much as possible for a major raid on a genuine A-grade player during next year's FA period. Fingers crossed.

Combine all of those factors together, and it was probably a good decision. Just a very poorly communicated one.

You don't really expect them to trumpet the bolded now, do you? I think they've communicated exactly what they wanted us to know and left the rest secret, as it should be at this stage. Totally consistent with their no-leaks policy.
 
You don't really expect them to trumpet the bolded now, do you? I think they've communicated exactly what they wanted us to know and left the rest secret, as it should be at this stage. Totally consistent with their no-leaks policy.
I don't expect them to be talking about the salary cap, or FA options. They could, however, do a much better job of explaining the CBA & Cat B rookie reasons.
 
Thats a good thought Ozzie - its possibly not - and is worth looking at if Sam Siggins is still needing support.
We could have put him on the rookie list with our spare spot... ;)
 
Crows do nothing and it happens.

"They knew it was likely, why didn't they plan for it??"
Should be maximising our list while we can, rather than planning for something that may not even happen...
 
Do people realise that if they detail the list strategy to us they are also telling the entire industry what our strategy is.

In such a competitive industry some things really don't need to be public knowledge.

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Doesn't explain the delay in the detail coming out. Once again they've botched the public and media response element.
 
At the time this pick was made I was pulling my hair out not knowing the background behind this decision.

Now knowing why this was done makes me proud to be a Crows supporter. Great decision by the club.
 

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I don't expect them to be talking about the salary cap, or FA options. They could, however, do a much better job of explaining the CBA & Cat B rookie reasons.

Don't think they can talk about the CBA negotiations details until after all parties have agreed and if rumors and leaks are correct then the Rookies situation is involved with the negotiations, Maybe something with the Cat B as well that we don't know about.

Basically, the AFL are in a Holding pattern running with an expired agreement and in some cases rules, and unfortunately we the supporters suffer a little.
 
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Doesn't explain the delay in the detail coming out. Once again they've botched the public and media response element.
Meh..

Would rather the botch the PR up and get the way we put our list together right.


Can think of another club who's PR is pretty good. But list management is a shambles.......
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Meh..

Would rather the botch the PR up and get the way we put our list together right.


Can think of another club who's PR is pretty good. But list management is a shambles.......
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It's not an either-or situation. For a club that has been very good for the past 12 months+ we've botched 3 things pretty badly in the last month. Gibbs, Jarman and now this.
 
Not that I've read all posts on here, so apologies if I repeat..
in my view, there was a deal struck because he was contracted for next year on more money than a rookie contract, but best for his health was to retire. But who would retire to lose a years salary? If I understand correctly - a player retires they aren't entitled to next years pay.
But he retires, we can upgrade a rookie, promise to rookie him for minimum wage plus medical cover.
Everyone happy. Nice AFC. All the best Sam, hope your recovery is swift.
 
If that is the reason fair enough. Has it been confirmed by anyone?

WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THE CLUB JUST SAY THAT THEN INSTEAD OF WAFFLING ON ABOUT LIST SIZES IN 2018 AND WE WERE ALWAYS PASSING?

"Going with 39 (listed players) gives us the flexibility with the rookies," Reid said.

"We've made a fair investment with Alex Keath, Hugh Greenwood, Jono Beech, who's won our (state league) best and fairest and Paul Hunter, they're all 24 years of age or older.

"In 2018, a bit of an assumption, but we're hearing it may become one list.

- from the article on Sam Shaw on the AFL app
 

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Not that I've read all posts on here, so apologies if I repeat..
in my view, there was a deal struck because he was contracted for next year on more money than a rookie contract, but best for his health was to retire. But who would retire to lose a years salary? If I understand correctly - a player retires they aren't entitled to next years pay.
But he retires, we can upgrade a rookie, promise to rookie him for minimum wage plus medical cover.
Everyone happy. Nice AFC. All the best Sam, hope your recovery is swift.
If he retires because of injury sustained in the workplace ie the football or training field he is able to claim 1/2 of his final year contract. Refer to Dane Swan.
 

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