Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Mofra]

Iran is one of the more peaceful and benevolent Islamic countries, but doesn't march to Washington's tune = "Axis of Evil"

They were actually close allies of the US up until the Shah was overthrown and they became more fundamentalist - they were even using old US military equipment from the pre-Ayatollah days during the Iran-Iraq war.

The US have tied themselves to the Sunnis and left the Shia out in the cold, even as the Sunnis (especially Whabbists) support the Daesh directly or indirectly.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

They were actually close allies of the US up until the Shah was overthrown and they became more fundamentalist - they were even using old US military equipment from the pre-Ayatollah days during the Iran-Iraq war.

Were using? Hell, they're still flying F-14 Tomcats and F-4 Phantoms and Cobra gunships and stuff. They were kitted out every bit as well as Israel was at the time, before the Shah got his well-deserved kick in the jatz.

 

[baphomet]

Operation ajax

Very classy seppos as per usual

 

[fleabitten]

Three months later....same dude

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...orts-active-shooter-columbus-campus/94540050/

 

[Paul Kersey]

*crickets*

 

[flashmanvc]

Was in Malaysia recently. Flew in on the day of the protests regarding the PM who had been found to have a billion or so USD "resting" in his personal account. My first time in a Muslim country and, for what it's worth, here are my ill informed opinions.

KL is a beautiful city. Very green and squared away nicely. During my bloody lovely time there, and other parts of the country, some prejudices softened and others hardened.

First off, the kids are all right. Gen Y are f***ing lovely. So many young girls with the hijab are in customer service roles and are worldly. Smartphones and cheap internet could yet save the world. These young girls and guys get around in groups, mixing with each other harmoniously. Was a bit unsure of the head scarf previously but now couldn't give a f**k. Not at all.

On the other hand, the full burka cannot be seen as anything other than a powerful symbol of oppression. Dudes walking down the street (30 plus degrees and 90% humidity) in loose trousers and short sleeve shirts. Ten paces back followed their women in full black shrouds. FMD. And you only see these women ten paces behind their men. They play no other role in society as far as I can tell.

At the Penang beaches the young Lebanese dudes would be swimming in the surf while their wives would be wading ankle deep in the shallows. Still full burka, just sensually getting their Nike sneakers and lower parts of their jeans wet.

Whilst it was a total blast telling the missus to "get in behind" whenever she pissed me off, the sense of oppression is real in a Muslim country. Surely the world will change for the better.

 

[quotemokc]

And you were only in Malaysia, a relatively tolerable Muslim country

 

[Procrastinator35]

Whilst it was a total blast telling the missus to "get in behind" whenever she pissed me off, the sense of oppression is real in a Muslim country. Surely the world will change for the better.

I suppose you could try one of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya or Somalia next....And spend the day dodging U.S & NATO bombs....Another type of oppression altogether.

I know which one is less humane.

Are we really still running with this style of BS rhetoric, as a means to justify U.S atrocities in the Middle East & our own cultural & religious bigotry & intolerance?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Hopefully Trump will be true to his word and bring down the ban-hammer. It must happen.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Hopefully Trump will be true to his word and bring down the ban-hammer. It must happen.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-attack/index.html

Won't be long until The Age and various posters on here turn this around and point the finger at Trump for inspiring this attack, rather than ISIS.

Congratulations to the policeman who took this loser down. Hope all who were injured recover as best as possible.

 

[Mofra]

Were using? Hell, they're still flying F-14 Tomcats and F-4 Phantoms and Cobra gunships and stuff. They were kitted out every bit as well as Israel was at the time, before the Shah got his well-deserved kick in the jatz.

The Tomcats had no weapons on them during the Iran-Iraq war - they were being used as virtual AWACs because their radars were the best in the region in the 70s.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Won't be long until The Age and various posters on here turn this around and point the finger at Trump for inspiring this attack, rather than ISIS.

Did it even happen? The majors here appear to be trying not to report it. They're deathly afraid of a full-scale revolt by the deplorables, but you need only look at reader comments to know it's underway.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The Tomcats had no weapons on them during the Iran-Iraq war - they were being used as virtual AWACs because their radars were the best in the region in the 70s.

Watchoo been reading, Mof?

https://defencyclopedia.com/2015/02/14/origins-the-story-of-the-legendary-f-14-tomcat/

...in 1979, when the Shah was overthrown, the nation fell into disarray and the relationship with the US was strained. Iran was suddenly a hostile nation which possessed the most advanced American fighters and hundreds of Hi-tech missiles. Support for these F-14s was cutoff and the Iranians had to ground these fighters for lack of essential spares. However, they overcame the hurdle by depending on their local industry for spares and the Tomcats were flying combat missions against Iraq starting in 1980.

Tomcats gradually increased their operational tempo and by the end of the war, it is estimated that the Iranian F-14s had shot down around 160 Iraqi combat aircraft (many with the Phoenix missile) and only 1 F-14 was lost in return. The Phoenix missile armed Tomcats conducted long range patrols near the Iran-Iraq border and this combination terrified the Iraqis as they had no counter against the long range radar and missiles of the F-14 Tomcat. It is interesting to note that the Iranians obtained more aerial kills with the Tomcat than the US Navy.

and

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-force-flies-american-made-f-14-tomcats-16758

...By September 1980, Iran and Iraq were at war. Baghdad’s own MiG-25 fighters and recon planes could dash into Iranian airspace unmolested by Tehran’s much slower and lower-flying F-4 and F-5 fighters. Over the course of the eight-year war, MiG-25s shot down more than a dozen Iranian aircraft, including a priceless EC-130 electronic warfare plane. Iraqi pilot Col. Mohommed Rayyan alone claimed eight kills in his MiG-25.

Only the F-14 could challenge the MiG-25.

When war broke out, just 77 Tomcats were left—two had crashed. With crews and maintainers scattered and Tehran cut off from Grumman, Hughes and the U.S. Air Force and Navy, most of the Iranian F-14s were inoperable. The ayatollah’s air force managed to assemble 60 loyal pilots and 24 back-seat radar operators. By stripping parts from grounded Tomcats, technicians were able to get a dozen F-14s in fighting shape.

They immediately flew into action. At first, the Tomcats acted as early-warning and battle-management platforms while less sophisticated planes did the actual fighting. “The planes have not been used in combat,” The New York Times reported in December 1981. “Rather they have stood off from the battle and been used as control aircraft, with their advanced radar and electronics guiding other planes to their targets or warning the pilots of Iraqi aircraft attacks.”

The fighting escalated and drew the F-14s into battle. In eight years of combat, Iran’s Tomcat crews claimed some 200 aerial victories against Iraqi planes, 64 of which the Iranian air force was able to confirm. One F-14 pilot named Jalil Zandi reportedly claimed a staggering 11 air-to-air victories, making him by far Iran’s deadliest fighter pilot of the war.

“The Iraqi high command had ordered all its pilots not to engage with F-14 and do not get close if [an] F-14 is known to be operating in the area,” Nassirkhani wrote. “Usually the presence of Tomcats was enough to scare the enemy and send the Iraqi fighters back.”

At first, the F-14s were armed only with their internal 20-millimeter cannons and the long-range Phoenix missiles. American contractors had not had time to integrate medium-range Sparrow and short-range Sidewinder missiles.

Normal tactics called for F-14 crews to fire Phoenixes at their targets from a hundred miles away or farther, but with no alternative armament Iranian aviators relied on the heavy AIM-54s for close-in fighting, as well—once even hitting an Iraqi plane from just 12 miles away, according to Iranian reporter Babak Taghvaee.

Eight F-14s fell in combat during the war with Iraq—one accidentally shot down by an Iranian F-4; three struck by Baghdad’s Mirage F.1 fighters; one hit by an Iraqi MiG-21; and two falling victim to unknown attackers.

The eighth Tomcat that Tehran lost during the Iran-Iraq war reportedly wound up in Iraq when its crew defected. Taghvaee claimed that U.S. Special Operations Forces infiltrated “deep inside Iraqi territory” in order to destroy the abandoned F-14 and “prevent it falling into Soviet hands.”

Iranian Tomcats intercepted Iraqi MiG-25s on several occasions. But only one Iranian flier succeeded in downing any of the Mach-3 MiGs. In September 1982 and again in December, Shahram Rostani struck MiG-25s with Phoenix missiles.

Combat ops were hard on Iran’s F-14 force. A lack of spare parts compounded the maintenance woes. After the revolution, the United States had frozen Iranian assets, embargoed Iranian trade and imposed other economic sanctions. The United Nations and many U.S. allies followed suit, cutting off Tehran from global supply chains...

...[However] in negotiating to free American hostages that an Iran-backed militant group was holding in Lebanon, the administration of Pres. Ronald Reagan agreed to transfer to Tehran badly-needed military equipment, reportedly including Phoenix missiles and bomb racks. Iranian engineers added the bomb racks to four of the F-14s as early as 1985, transforming the Tomcats into heavy ground-attack planes. Years later, the U.S. Navy would modify its own F-14s in the same way.

Rostani flew the “Bombcat’s” first ground-attack mission in 1985, targeting an Iraqi field headquarters … but missing. Frustrated technicians boosted the Bombcat’s weapons load-out with a whopping, custom-made 7,000-pound bomb—one of the biggest freefall munitions ever. As Iranian commander-in-chief Gen. Abbas Babaei observed from near the front line, an F-14 lobbed the massive bomb.

The estimated time on target passed … but nothing happened. Babaei was getting ready to return to his jeep when a powerful blast shook the ground. The bomb had missed, but its psychological effect on Iraqi troops was surely profound...

 

[Mofra]

I stand corrected, took my info from a USN carrier dibbie

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I stand corrected, took my info from a USN carrier dibbie

Heh. Some noses got put out of joint there I reckon

 

[flashmanvc]

I suppose you could try one of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya or Somalia next....And spend the day dodging U.S & NATO bombs....Another type of oppression altogether.

I know which one is less humane.

Are we really still running with this style of BS rhetoric, as a means to justify U.S atrocities in the Middle East & our own cultural & religious bigotry & intolerance?

Your rhetoric seems to be that one form of oppression (women's rights) is okay because the other one (bombing) is worse.

Neither should be happening. Can you bring yourself to say that?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Your rhetoric seems to be that one form of oppression (women's rights) is okay because the other one (bombing) is worse.

Neither should be happening. Can you bring yourself to say that?

Can you understand that most Islamic women don't have an issue with their cultural dress-codes; & that your projection of Western 'values', is prefaced upon sheer ignorance?

 

[Ausmerican]

Three months later....same dude

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...orts-active-shooter-columbus-campus/94540050/

They love to blame the media, non Muslims and just about everything else that goes against Islamic beliefs and traditions, don't they? A very dangerous cult indeed.

 

[Ausmerican]

Was in Malaysia recently. Flew in on the day of the protests regarding the PM who had been found to have a billion or so USD "resting" in his personal account. My first time in a Muslim country and, for what it's worth, here are my ill informed opinions.

KL is a beautiful city. Very green and squared away nicely. During my bloody lovely time there, and other parts of the country, some prejudices softened and others hardened.

First off, the kids are all right. Gen Y are f***ing lovely. So many young girls with the hijab are in customer service roles and are worldly. Smartphones and cheap internet could yet save the world. These young girls and guys get around in groups, mixing with each other harmoniously. Was a bit unsure of the head scarf previously but now couldn't give a f**k. Not at all.

On the other hand, the full burka cannot be seen as anything other than a powerful symbol of oppression. Dudes walking down the street (30 plus degrees and 90% humidity) in loose trousers and short sleeve shirts. Ten paces back followed their women in full black shrouds. FMD. And you only see these women ten paces behind their men. They play no other role in society as far as I can tell.

At the Penang beaches the young Lebanese dudes would be swimming in the surf while their wives would be wading ankle deep in the shallows. Still full burka, just sensually getting their Nike sneakers and lower parts of their jeans wet.

Whilst it was a total blast telling the missus to "get in behind" whenever she pissed me off, the sense of oppression is real in a Muslim country. Surely the world will change for the better.

What you saw there was real female oppression and sexism. Most of today's feminists in the West could do with a huge reality check and spend a few months living in a Muslim country.

 

[Procrastinator35]

They love to blame the media, non Muslims and just about everything else that goes against Islamic beliefs and traditions, don't they? A very dangerous cult indeed.

Which particular 'cult' would that be?.....Can you be more specific?

 

[Maggie5]

Can you understand that most Islamic women don't have an issue with their cultural dress-codes; & that your projection of Western 'values', is prefaced upon sheer ignorance?

Needs to be highlighted more.

 

[flashmanvc]

Can you understand that most Islamic women don't have an issue with their cultural dress-codes; & that your projection of Western 'values', is prefaced upon sheer ignorance?

This is a tricky issue here. I've no doubt what you're saying is true (ie most women who wear the burka do so willingly). I've also no doubt that it remains a form of oppression.

If wearing that particular garb were banned tomorrow, and then rules relaxed several generations later, how many women would willingly take to wearing it again? It's a largely useless hypothetical question, but I would wager that not many would.

 

[baphomet]

*crickets*

It's better to discuss one nutter , than America overthrowing a democratically elected leader to install a puppet influencing an entire nations ... And then do a whinge when iran has religious revolution.

 

[Paul Kersey]

USA ****ing the middle east = reason to be very careful of immigration. I mean, you wouldn't go around beating up homeless people on the streets of Melbourne and then invite them to your house and not expect something to go wrong.

 

[baphomet]

USA ******* the middle east = reason to be very careful of immigration. I mean, you wouldn't go around beating up homeless people on the streets of Melbourne and then invite them to your house and not expect something to go wrong.

Unless the commonwealth games are on