Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[darthbards]

Lol, you fail English? That's unpossible.

My take is Adelaide will land Gibbs in a three way trade where we nab Bontempelli......

Apologies Mr. Hemmingway.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Apologies Mr. Hemmingway.

Apologize

 

[chittys law]

Hopefully Silvinis folds faster than superman on Laundry day next year. If not the crows can go after Rockliff, Martin. Cripps or Shiel or another midfielder that is on the market

And why would any of those players move to Adelaide? They will zilch confidence in the crows ability to get the deal done. Even Gibbs has confirmed he was surprised with reids tactics. Face it, SOS will never fold to ineffectual types like Reid and Burton and those same blokes will ultimately fail to have the courage to pay the required price.

I am confident that you will retain Thomspon for another year.

 

[chittys law]

I'd take Rockliff,Martin and Shiel before I'd take Gibbs to be honest,although I can see the romance of Adelaide bringing home an SA boy.
I'd tread wearily around Cripps. Silvini was a defender who now seems to be obsessed with recruiting defenders due to his over inflated ego. They have one good player who is young,gets very little support and surprise surprise is starting to show signs already that it's to much for his young body. I'd hate to see Cripps not reach his full potential because of Silvinis bazaar recruiting strategies and neglect of their only decent player.I'm sure Carlton fans will still be happy to lavish the guru with praise whatever happens.

Get it right, always refer to him as Mr Steven Silvagni.

 

[chittys law]

We know you are a well known Carlton hater so its hard to really take anything you say seriously.

But to be honest most Carlton people were just hoping that after Adelaide couldn't get a deal done that Bryce would come back to club and be professional about the situation, put in a big pre season and get on with playing good football next year and not come back and sulk it up.

I am sure you feel the same about Marcus Adams who couldn't wait to get home after 1 year at the western oval.

He is a well known Carlton hater and genuine troll.

 

[darthbards]

Apologize

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I can actually understand your strange harping about spelling as you can draw some pretty cool parallels with th CFC.
Once upon a time they were considered important and had some sort of relevance. Nowadays,not so much.

 

[darthbards]

Get it right, always refer to him as Mr Steven Silvagni.

Yes,yes,keep living in the past.
If you blokes actually had some decent players you might talk about them a bit more rather than keep looking back for some sort of fake pharoah such as Silvini.

 

[darthbards]

He is a well known Carlton hater and genuine troll.

How would you know,you havnt even been a member for a week. Or is this a alt account your now running with?

 

[RePete]

Silvagni hasn't proven anything. He has traded for a bunch of players from GWS, none of which have really reached their potential whilst at Carlton. He traded for two players from Adelaide that were not good enough to get a game here, and won't be an effective part of your next premiership-contending team. Essentially he has put all his faith in players that are list cloggers rather than backing in his talent scouts and recruiting staff. He is still miles off pulling together a top-4 list. Now to the Gibbs decision. Yes he wouldn't compromise. But that first and (third or second pick) that Carlton could have had (in a super draft) may have been gun players that could bring Carlton to that next level in a few years. He has opted for keeping a player that would rather come home to Adelaide and in 2-3 years will likely be winding up his career, than draft players that will actually improve them long term.

Sell when the value is high. I wish we had with Dangerfield. Picks 2 & 3 from Melbourne would have been nice. I am glad we cashed in with Bernie Vince, Matt Crouch is a gun.

 

[pinot]

Silvagni hasn't proven anything. He has traded for a bunch of players from GWS, none of which have really reached their potential whilst at Carlton. He traded for two players from Adelaide that were not good enough to get a game here, and won't be an effective part of your next premiership-contending team. Essentially he has put all his faith in players that are list cloggers rather than backing in his talent scouts and recruiting staff. He is still miles off pulling together a top-4 list. Now to the Gibbs decision. Yes he wouldn't compromise. But that first and (third or second pick) that Carlton could have had (in a super draft) may have been gun players that could bring Carlton to that next level in a few years. He has opted for keeping a player that would rather come home to Adelaide and in 2-3 years will likely be winding up his career, than draft players that will actually improve them long term.

Sell when the value is high. I wish we had with Dangerfield. Picks 2 & 3 from Melbourne would have been nice. I am glad we cashed in with Bernie Vince, Matt Crouch is a gun.

Stop crying sook it is embarassing. Get on with your life.

 

[darthbards]

Stop crying sook it is embarassing. Get on with your life.

Why's he sook? It's the Carlton fans who sook it up if anyone suggests facts that they are a bottom side or might have missed the chance to get a good player but chose to keep one that made it pretty clear he no longer wants to play there.
And Silvagni has proven nothing,the poster was spot on. Yes he was a great player,but he certainly hasn't earned the title of recruiting guru. Seems far to ego driven for a start and is picking up unwanted players from other clubs as a re build tactic.

 

[marty36]

Stop crying sook it is embarassing. Get on with your life.

No ones sooking

If Rory Sloane said he wanted to go back to Victoria this year for family reasons I would expect overs for him as he is contracted, if a club was that stupid and dumb enough to pay overs for him then Adelaide would be the winner, the same if Reid was dumb enouggh to pay overs for Gibbs, luckily he wasnt

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why's he sook? It's the Carlton fans who sook it up if anyone suggests facts that they are a bottom side or might have missed the chance to get a good player but chose to keep one that made it pretty clear he no longer wants to play there.
And Silvagni has proven nothing,the poster was spot on. Yes he was a great player,but he certainly hasn't earned the title of recruiting guru. Seems far to ego driven for a start and is picking up unwanted players from other clubs as a re build tactic.

Once again with the lack of knowledge about our list and what we were trying to achieve by picking up these players. Our ladder position has zero bearing on this thread AND Gibbs is totally fine with staying at Carlton.

 

[vozzon]

Hardly surprising now that Carlton fans are getting excited by a few things Gibbs says in an interview post this whole thing and really expected anything different,what else was Gibbs going to say really?
I'm not sure Adelaide approached Gibbs first but I hardly see any relevance,he still has to want to go.So history clearly shows he didn't want to play for Carlton any more,and who could blame him.
Carlton are years off being anything more than a bottom side,the list still with over a dozen players not up to AFL standard and a fair few more if Silvinis ego driven imports don't come off the second time around.
My take will be Adelaide will have another crack next year and will eventually get their man.

Harsh but true. The whole situation was weird from the beginning, he would have left but he didnt push that hard to leave, which if im the crows then its annoying. We will have to get use to this kind of stuff more with guys like richards and hamling both wanting to leave good clubs.

Still think the best scenario is he leaves in the next 2 years for a reasonable pick as he wont be in Carlton's next premiership. Id be happy for port to have a try, just need to make parties happy in the trade.

 

[blueboy25]

Still think the best scenario is he leaves in the next 2 years for a reasonable pick as he wont be in Carlton's next premiership. Id be happy for port to have a try, just need to make parties happy in the trade.

Just remember he is 27 and has been very durable and could easily play to 32-33. Do you think there is any team in the league that are not a chance at all to be a shot at a flag in 5 years time.

By your logic its no use him going to Port as he won't be part of your next flag either?

 

[pinot]

Just remember he is 27 and has been very durable and could easily play to 32-33. Do you think there is any team in the league that are not a chance at all to be a shot at a flag in 5 years time.

By your logic its no use him going to Port as he won't be part of your next flag either?

Bryce has easy five years on him. the club has already said will go one , maybe two A grade free agents end of year. Fine - just get it right

This will mean at start of 2018

- Silvagni, Curnow, McKay will be in their third year
- Bryce 29, Murphy 31, Curnow 29, Cripps 23 and SPS 20 + at least one A grade as per Carlton release
- Weitering 20, Docherty 24, Plowman, 23, Marchbank 21 is nucleus of defence

So now I am focussed on Carlton release which A graders are we gonna get?

I list the ones I think are gettable on big money as we have plenty of capspace



Brisbane
Tom Rockliff

Essendon
David Zaharakis

Fremantle
Nat Fyfe

Geelong
Steven Motlop

Hawthorn
Luke Breust

Richmond
Dustin Martin

So one or two prime names in the free agent criteria will come from this list, who will it be?

Will Fyfe and Martin make us top four material?

 

[darthbards]

Once again with the lack of knowledge about our list and what we were trying to achieve by picking up these players. Our ladder position has zero bearing on this thread AND Gibbs is totally fine with staying at Carlton.

What lack of knowledge in regard to a Carlton poster calling people sooks because they dare question Carlton superiorority. Carton are no good,there is plenty of evidence,even a heavily suspended Essendon defeated the Blues and still you all think your on the right track just because of Silvini.
If Gibbs was perfectly fine staying at Carlton he wouldn't have asked to leave. I'd take the fact he asked to leave when he had the chance as better evidence than a post event interview. What else was he going to say at this point.
It's the Blues supporters with no idea about their list. First you all think Murphy and Gibbs are still going to be around when your finally competitive enough to push for a flag,like it's just around the corner and you all keep constantly mentioning ten game players and in many cases zero game players as ready made stars who will make it 100%. No wait and see,no patience just its definite and if you have an opposing view your a hater or a sook. Unbelievable,and the typical Carlton arrogance that has led the club up this path and why it has struggled to get back.

 

[GCNavyBlue]

What lack of knowledge in regard to a Carlton poster calling people sooks because they dare question Carlton superiorority. Carton are no good,there is plenty of evidence,even a heavily suspended Essendon defeated the Blues and still you all think your on the right track just because of Silvini.
If Gibbs was perfectly fine staying and Carlton he wouldn't have asked to leave. I'd take the fact he asked to leave when he had the chance as better evidence than a post event interview. What else was he going to say at this point.
It's the Blues supporters with no idea about their list. First you all think Murphy and Gibbs are still going to be around when your finally competitive enough to push for a flag,like it's just around the corner and you all keep constantly mentioning ten game players and in many cases zero game players as ready made stars who will make it 100%. No wait and see,no patience just its definite and if you have an opposing view your a hater or a sook. Unbelievable,and the typical Carlton arrogance that has led the club up this path and why it has struggled to get back.

I think u blokes proved it can happen pretty quick if u get it right.....flog

 

[darthbards]

I think u blokes proved it can happen pretty quick if u get it right.....flog

Don't be so sensative and the Dogs rise wasn't that quick,it started before Beveridge got there it was just that 2014 was an off year in the development.
The dogs also recruited genuine kids via the,no rejects from other clubs and our recruiters didn't have massive egos that influenced their decisions.
Supporters were also patient and we weren't calling our kids stars or ten year players before they had even played a game.
I see next to zero comparison personally.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Sorry if that has been mentioned but I'm calling bull on that Gibbs wanted to go back to SA for family reasons.
Gibbs is 28 or so and probably has 5 years left. The crows are entering their window while the blues are probably still 3 years away from even playing finals.
It was definatley a football decision to try and move.
That's just my opinion anyway

The fact that the Crows are in a flag window and that he could wrangle a new big contract (most likely - his Blues one was front ended and is now in the low phase) wouldn't hurt on top of the family stuff, I don't think anyone would be doubting that.

It was simply a good decision for Gibbs in more ways than one to request a trade home. And just as good a decision for us to knock it back unless we got a golden offer.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Supporters were also patient and we weren't calling our kids stars or ten year players before they had even played a game.

Lol. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Monkey King]

Silvagni hasn't proven anything. He has traded for a bunch of players from GWS, none of which have really reached their potential whilst at Carlton. He traded for two players from Adelaide that were not good enough to get a game here, and won't be an effective part of your next premiership-contending team. Essentially he has put all his faith in players that are list cloggers rather than backing in his talent scouts and recruiting staff. He is still miles off pulling together a top-4 list.

This doesn't even make sense. Carlton held picks in every round late into the draft this year and fully stocked up on early draft picks last year. The trades done for GWS players were with second round picks gained from other trades. Smart move too getting players like Plowman and Marchbank for second rounders by taking salary cap pressure off GWS with other players that we have room for in every respect.

Now to the Gibbs decision. Yes he wouldn't compromise. But that first and (third or second pick) that Carlton could have had (in a super draft) may have been gun players that could bring Carlton to that next level in a few years. He has opted for keeping a player that would rather come home to Adelaide and in 2-3 years will likely be winding up his career, than draft players that will actually improve them long term.

Pick 15 and chips wasn't worth to this Carlton team what Gibbs is and there was nothing compelling the club to trade him. Too young too soon, as Emma Quayle put it when assessing that the Crows would need to pony up if Carlton were to accept being put in that disadvantageous position. Carlton have shown the last two years that they're happy to trade out players to better their position and would have done so with Gibbs as well had the Crows deal been worth it.

Not sure why you think a 27yo who has shown remarkable durability over his career thus far would be likely winding up his career in 2-3 years - the coup de grace of an ill-conceived post.

 

[marty36]

The fact that the Crows are in a flag window and that he could wrangle a new big contract (most likely - his Blues one was front ended and is now in the low phase) wouldn't hurt on top of the family stuff, I don't think anyone would be doubting that.

It was simply a good decision for Gibbs in more ways than one to request a trade home. And just as good a decision for us to knock it back unless we got a golden offer.

Agree, it was a business decision by Gibbs, which unfortunatley tells you a lot about his loyality to Carlton, and it wasa business decision for Carlton to request a golden offer and well within their rights to do so. Adelaide should have played harder ball with PD and forced him into the draft and see him go to Queensland but matching any RFA offer. Gibbs was contracted and was easier to play hard ball with, but no compassion was shown and it shouldnt have been

I will say Silvagni is pretty head strong, but it will pay off long term

The crows on the other hand I hope have learnt not to give in on their own players

 

[Dc9798]

Agree, it was a business decision by Gibbs, which unfortunatley tells you a lot about his loyality to Carlton, and it wasa business decision for Carlton to request a golden offer and well within their rights to do so. Adelaide should have played harder ball with PD and forced him into the draft and see him go to Queensland but matching any RFA offer. Gibbs was contracted and was easier to play hard ball with, but no compassion was shown and it shouldnt have been

I will say Silvagni is pretty head strong, but it will pay off long term

The crows on the other hand I hope have learnt not to give in on their own players

If we played hardball with PD and forced him into the PS Draft, the same thing that happened with Tippett would have eventuated, which was 'Any team that's not called the Sydney Swans, back off - love KT's management'.


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[marty36]

If we played hardball with PD and forced him into the PS Draft, the same thing that happened with Tippett would have eventuated, which was 'Any team that's not called the Sydney Swans, back off - love KT's management'.


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Pretty sure you cant compare what happened with Tippet unless we had done an under the table deal with PD

I think exactly what happened with gibbs was always going to happen, Carlton demand overs and were well with in their right to as he was a contracted player, Adelaide saw sense and wasnt prepared to sell the farm for a player like gibbs, if it was a Fyfe who knows thats a different situation