Patrick Dangerfield vs Marcus Bontempelli

[Jhye Clark 13]

And you think he will never reach Dangerfield's level.

Dangerfield's level isn't nearly as high as you make it out to be

Higher than anyone presently in the game at the moment.

 

[BillyW]

And if you were to pick right now, you would have Bont for 10+ years and danger for about 5 at most. Why do you think so many people have voted Bont over Dangerfield?

No...If I pick Danger right now I'll have Danger right now until I deem the Bont better then pick him!
It's not a "Who do you think most people will pick...." thread either.....

 

[Golden_6]

Pendlebury is a champion and has proven himself to be...

Alas, I think you're taking me out of context in regards to Bont. I'm not doubting his ability, simply the superstar tag as it currently stands.

There's no problem with you saying Bont isn't a superstar in your eyes if you base your definition around longevity of high level performances, your entitled to your opinion. That being said, this year in isolation he was a superstar and clearly a top 10 player in the competition and there's no doubt in my mind his performances are only going to increase from here.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

of course longevity is required... that's what I actually said.

As for your last part, that's simply wrong too despite being subjective.

I assume you mean my assertion that Bont is better than any current player was at the same age.

If you are saying that is simply wrong, I challenge you to prove otherwise.

According to Champion Data, Bont has been the highest rated player EVER at age 19 and 20 (and now that he has turned 21).

While I concede that Champion Data has some flaws, I will back them over your opinion.

Champion Data player ratings agrees that Bontempelli is better than any current player at the same age.

He is actually rated ahead of everyone at Geelong bar Dangerfield and virtually on a par with Pendlebury now.

This rating has been achieved because of the consistency displayed through the entire 3 years of his career.

 

[ManOfClay]

Higher than anyone presently in the game at the moment.

Well that's just wrong. It's Ablett, Fyfe then daylight.

Luckily for Dangerfield's season those first two were out of action in 2016

 

[conrad_437]

No...If I pick Danger right now I'll have Danger right now until I deem the Bont better then pick him!
It's not a "Who do you think most people will pick...." thread either.....

It isn't a 'who is the better player' thread either. The question asked was 'who would you rather have on your list at the moment'. While Dangerfield will be one of the best players in the game for another 2 or so years, Bontempelli will be on of the best players in the game for the next 9 years at least. He was arguably a top 5 player last year at the age of 20, definitely the best young player in the game and is only set to improve.

 

[BillyW]

It isn't a 'who is the better player' thread either. The question asked was 'who would you rather have on your list at the moment'. While Dangerfield will be one of the best players in the game for another 2 or so years, Bontempelli will be on of the best players in the game for the next 9 years at least. He was arguably a top 5 player last year at the age of 20, definitely the best young player in the game and is only set to improve.

hmmm.....so I should pick who I believe to be the weaker player, right now, for my hypothetical list?
Oh are we referring to my clubs list? Which still makes this a hypothetical and so I'll take Danger and trade him out for the Bont if, when, he stays fit and reaches his potential!!

*Interesting to see the insecurities and defensive nature of the Dogs fans even after a flag! Hope the players are a bit more confident they can sustain success and not fear slipping into another drought!

PS- I agree on everything you say regarding Bont

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

That's the thing about opinions... everyone has one.

No that's the thing about who you follow, if he were in an Adelaides jumper still and never moved you wouldn't say this,. Of course you will come back saying yes i said this about him when he was at the Crows.

Im saying it because i think Bont has a way better skill set at an earlier age and will only be better if possible mid 20"s. and its not just us Bulldog people who think this it seems.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

You're not quite understanding.

A 'high' level.

And nobody mentioned Jnr or Dangerfield at the same age, but Selwood had a rising star and 2 premierships along with 2 top 5 B&F finishes in a far superior side at the same age.

Also, I cringe when people use the Brownlow as a reference. There couldn't be an award that has as little irrelevance than an umpires adjudicated award. Bartel, Wynd, Liberatore, Woewoedin, Couch and a host of other players whom I wouldn't deem as superstars have won.

I'm not sure why you Bulldogs supporters are getting so antsy at the thought that Bonts isn't yet at superstar level... he simply isn't.

It's a matter of you blokes overreacting and jumping the gun based on a premiership year that if it wasn't for the farce that is the pre-finals bye, you'd have quite possibly bowed out in an elimination final.

You are not serious surely, responding to your opinion is not getting antsy? same could be said for you getting that way because you know the Bont has almost gone past Dangers level at the age of 21. but that's not fact its just your opinion like it is everybody that's commenting on this topic.

And as far as the Bye goes lets go for another hypothetical shall we, lets say without said Dangerfield moving across to Geelong, they more then likely miss out on the finals to Melbourne or St Kilda.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Wow. This is scintillating stuff.

Talk about overrating your own.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Wow. This is scintillating stuff.

Talk about overrating your own.

Don't be shattering those glass houses with those pesky stones ...

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You are not serious surely, responding to your opinion is not getting antsy? same could be said for you getting that way because you know the Bont has almost gone past Dangers level at the age of 21. but that's not fact its just your opinion like it is everybody that's commenting on this topic.

And as far as the Bye goes lets go for another hypothetical shall we, lets say without said Dangerfield moving across to Geelong, they more then likely miss out on the finals to Melbourne or St Kilda.

So Dangerfield carried an entire team but Bont has almost gone past him? Ok mate.

 

[ManOfClay]

So Dangerfield carried an entire team but Bont has almost gone past him? Ok mate.

You seem incapable of comprehension or forming any argument.

Go back and read again, you are making yourself look stupid

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

So Dangerfield carried an entire team but Bont has almost gone past him? Ok mate.

hmm No, Geelong needed his output to make it high on the eight as apposed to near the bottom half of it or miss it all together, didn't happen with Bont as Bulldogs rely on team etiquette not a one two mid combo.l
And going by your words Bontempelli has only had one stand out year and needs to show more consistency you say to be regarded as a superstar? Ok so you dare the hypothetical person, what if the dogs win again this year Bont wins the Brownlow and also the Norm Smith. By your logic he still wouldn't be classed as a superstar because its only two years he has done it for... you don't have to wait 8 years like Dangerfield before you are classed as that word.

 

[GreyCrow]

Talk about overrating your own.

Couldn't the same be said about you?

 

[Bobby_]

Dangerfield is the kind of player that could go to full forward and kick 70 goals a season like Fevola did.
Not sure the Bont will ever have that kind of versatility. No doubt he's good around goal and takes a terrific mark but Dangerfield has a bit of the Jake Stringer explosiveness to his game.

As a pure midfielder though, it's tough to split because the Bont uses the ball so much better than Dangerfield. He is virtually unstoppable when he's hot due to his sheer size.
He is also 21 years of age which is why I suspect a lot of people are choosing him in the poll. One can only imagine how rounded and consistent his game is when he turns 26.

 

[Amigo]

Dangerfield is the kind of player that could go to full forward and kick 70 goals a season like Fevola did.

Yes because he's really displayed the ability to beat zone defence on a consistent basis, which is how he scored all those bags of 7-8 goals.

. . . wait, no he hasn't.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Couldn't the same be said about you?

How?

Remembering Dangerfield is the current undisputed #1 player in the game.

Like I said, a better comparison here for Bont Is with Pendles and he has a long way to go to reach his level of consistent performance.

I'm sorry Patty left for greener pastures but don't let that cloud your judgement. He's on another level, a contested beast with unrivalled explosiveness. We all seem how he played this year and it's on another level to any current player bar Jnr.

 

[conrad_437]

Dangerfield is the kind of player that could go to full forward and kick 70 goals a season like Fevola did.
Not sure the Bont will ever have that kind of versatility. No doubt he's good around goal and takes a terrific mark but Dangerfield has a bit of the Jake Stringer explosiveness to his game.

As a pure midfielder though, it's tough to split because the Bont uses the ball so much better than Dangerfield. He is virtually unstoppable when he's hot due to his sheer size.
He is also 21 years of age which is why I suspect a lot of people are choosing him in the poll. One can only imagine how rounded and consistent his game is when he turns 26.

Explosiveness does not equal 70 goals a year all of a sudden. Not to mention Dangerfield is a shocking kick for goal.

 

[blitzer]

Dangerfield is the kind of player that could go to full forward and kick 70 goals a season like Fevola did.
Not sure the Bont will ever have that kind of versatility. No doubt he's good around goal and takes a terrific mark but Dangerfield has a bit of the Jake Stringer explosiveness to his game.

This post is so wrong its hilarious. Firstly as a forward Fevola was way better than Dangerfield. Fevola was a gun shot at goal, a great mark, quick off the lead and bigger than Dangerfield. Dangerfield is strong, quick and good overhead for a mid sized player but try contending with the better KP's of the comp and he would be found wanting and he's an ordinary shot at goal at best.

Wouldn't even get close to 70 goals a game. You need to average over 3 goals a game for an entire season (not counting finals). How many times has he even kicked 4 or more goals in a game? Keeping in mind Dangerfield started his career up forward and played there for years.

Dangerfield is a great line breaking midfielder that can win clearances with ease. He is not the best in the comp at every facet of the game. He is not and has never been a particularly good kick. He's quality overhead but nothing that better defenders can't handle.

 

[GreyCrow]

Remembering Dangerfield is the current undisputed #1 player in the game.

I would dispute this

I'm sorry Patty left for greener pastures but don't let that cloud your judgement. He's on another level, a contested beast with unrivalled explosiveness. We all seem how he played this year and it's on another level to any current player bar Jnr.

Please , its not about me and my feelings. We taught him everything we knew, except those long bombs into the forward line that keep coming back out .

We saw his talent early. Yes PD has a good body of work, but if they both appeared on the trade table I know who I would go for. And for people to say '' that's not what this means'' tough. I want the Bont

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I would dispute this


Please , its not about me and my feelings. We taught him everything we knew, except those long bombs into the forward line that keep coming back out .

We saw his talent early. Yes PD has a good body of work, but if they both appeared on the trade table I know who I would go for. And for people to say '' that's not what this means'' tough. I want the Bont

Your tears would be better served making a particular flavour of samboy chip.

Sorry mate but I'll have to cut this, and any subsequent exchange short.

Have a great new year peoples.

 

[Bobby_]

This post is so wrong its hilarious. Firstly as a forward Fevola was way better than Dangerfield. Fevola was a gun shot at goal, a great mark, quick off the lead and bigger than Dangerfield. Dangerfield is strong, quick and good overhead for a mid sized player but try contending with the better KP's of the comp and he would be found wanting and he's an ordinary shot at goal at best.

Wouldn't even get close to 70 goals a game. You need to average over 3 goals a game for an entire season (not counting finals). How many times has he even kicked 4 or more goals in a game? Keeping in mind Dangerfield started his career up forward and played there for years.

Dangerfield is a great line breaking midfielder that can win clearances with ease. He is not the best in the comp at every facet of the game. He is not and has never been a particularly good kick. He's quality overhead but nothing that better defenders can't handle.

Sorry but I believe your wrong on your assessment of Dangerfield as a forward.
Dangerfield is one of the most explosive athletes in the competition and it's that athleticism which allows him to beat almost anyone assigned to him.

Watching Dangerfield drift forward at times this year, it's remarkable just how dominant he could be as a lead up forward. Don't use his early days at Adelaide as an example. He's twice the strength today.
If it wasn't for Geelong's inability to build a midfield unreliant on Selwood and he, he could have rested forward for long duration's of a game and kicked a lot more goals than what he did.

Dangerfield would be like Jake Stringer who is caught in between positions as he's too nimble for key defenders but a little too big for medium sized defenders.
If he managed 50 shots on goal playing as a midfielder last season, just imagine what he would do as permanent forward. You would be looking at well over 100 shots at goal and that would be close to 70 odd goals right there.

Of course, it's pure hypothetical's as he won't be playing forward as Geelong simply don't have enough consistent midfielder's other than Selwood.

 

[Bobby_]

Explosiveness does not equal 70 goals a year all of a sudden. Not to mention Dangerfield is a shocking kick for goal.

He's not a shocking kick at goal. He just had a terrible season is all and most people have gold fish memory.

 

[GreyCrow]

He's not a shocking kick at goal. He just had a terrible season is all and most people have gold fish memory.

24.24 last year and 17.22 in 2014 , but apart from that he is not bad. Over all 187.139