Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

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Friend. You're on your own regarding the whole baseless nutter hypervigilance thingy you've constantly got going on towards Andrews.
 
Agree again. But it's a tax cut for first home buyers.

Let's look at fuel prices. They are volatile. But if fuel excise was cut for a section of the community. It's still a cut even if the price rises

Otherwise you could say the people losing penalty rates are getting a tax cut because They are being paid less. I this case the tax remains the same
Yes its a tax cut but so what? Tax cuts are only good for someone if they improve their real cost of living. These tax cuts are just going to inflate prices further, create more debt and delay the house crash which will capture more young people who now will enter at the top of the market rather than waiting for the fall to come. The people who lose most out of this policy are the first home borrowers who take it up.
 
Why? Owner occupiers will be fine, they're living in it and it wont effect their repayments. If anything interest rates would be cut.

The only ones who'd lose out would be investors, and like any asset, they knew the risks going in. They would have no one to blame but themselves.
The crash will be so huge it will send the whole economy into a deep recession. Unemployment will sky rocket, the dollar will crash. Unfortunately this must happen for the sake of fairness. But everyone will lose during the crisis.
 

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6.5million + home owners vs 150-200k trying to become homeowners. Anyone that thinks a crash is a good thing or thinks the govt should favour first home buyers is an idiot.


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its a fair thing. Policy isnt supposed to be based on what the tyranny of the majority wants. Plus it might finally make us invest in productive assets again rather than dead weight costs like property. If we dont want to become a poor country in the long run we need the crash quickly.
 
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How is the taxpayer paying for this? It simply means first home buyers are exempt from stamp duty. They don't pay the state government stamp duty. Everyone else does.

Rather different than FBT perks for example. They allow a privileged group of taxpayers (typically ones that dodged hsc and uni) to use their tax to subsidize their midlife crisis car. Unlike PAYG earners who are forced to pay this tax to the government. And in comparison can't even claim public transport to and from work.

There are a lot of lib single dad wannabe 25 agains that are using fbt's to buy their Monaro's and WRX's. Why is the shortfall of national revenue adjusted for the PAYG sector to subsidize bogans? I understand first home buyers are the most disadvantage demographic in real estate. But why does a tradie boss need tax exemption compared to everyone else to afford a car? If anything he is privileged, only a small percentage of equivalents his age end up being in a position to start a business.
 
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Imminent crash....crickets....Imminent crash.....crickets......crickets..... crickets

While crasheteers point to other countries where it has happened as proof, those countries contain capital cities where the crash was almost undetectable.

same for Melbourne and Sydney. Australia as a whole is very urbanised

ex pling states have crashed - first home buyers can pick up bargains there, apparently commodity prices are on the rise
 
So the Speaker and Deputy Speaker collude to steal hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars and not a whimper in here?

Really?

They even get to keep the money as long as they quit the party, and there wont be a Parliamentary investigation or a police investigation?

No comment?

Ill go the "all pollies are scum" line, Thats how it goes isnt it?
 
Thats what they are doing with traffic lights in the switch to led. Done for new ones, or replacement of dud bulbs

It wont cost, but it seems pretty pointless to me

Funny story, but the LEDs in traffic signals in colder climates had to have small heaters added because the LEDS no longer melt drifting snow or ice
 

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When they circle the wagons to protect crooks it certainly appears that way. In this case it is Labor, next time it will be Coalition.

Party first, Country last.

I laughed when politicians in the recent superannuation debate said its a complex issue and they're not experts. You can bet your last razoo they are experts on their own super scheme
 
How is the taxpayer paying for this? It simply means first home buyers are exempt from stamp duty. They don't pay the state government stamp duty. Everyone else does.

Rather different than FBT perks for example. They allow a privileged group of taxpayers (typically ones that dodged hsc and uni) to use their tax to subsidize their midlife crisis car. Unlike PAYG earners who are forced to pay this tax to the government. And in comparison can't even claim public transport to and from work.

There are a lot of lib single dad wannabe 25 agains that are using fbt's to buy their Monaro's and WRX's. Why is the shortfall of national revenue adjusted for the PAYG sector to subsidize bogans? I understand first home buyers are the most disadvantage demographic in real estate. But why does a tradie boss need tax exemption compared to everyone else to afford a car? If anything he is privileged, only a small percentage of equivalents his age end up being in a position to start a business.
If first home buyers aren't paying stamp duty on house sales then taxes have to be raised from elsewhere now don't they.
 
So the Speaker and Deputy Speaker collude to steal hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars and not a whimper in here?

Really?

They even get to keep the money as long as they quit the party, and there wont be a Parliamentary investigation or a police investigation?

No comment?
Well considering the premier threw a billion dollars down the drain when he came to power by cancelling the east west link a couple of hundred thousand dollars is chump change in comparison. It's in fact less than 1/3000 the size of the east west link loss. If they didn't string Andrews up for that why would anyone give a stuff about something so relatively small?
 
So the Speaker and Deputy Speaker collude to steal hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars and not a whimper in here?

Really?

They even get to keep the money as long as they quit the party, and there wont be a Parliamentary investigation or a police investigation?

No comment?

Have they actually legally done anything wrong under either the parliamentary laws or even criminal laws. Just because something is morally wrong doesn't make it wrong under parliamentary rules or Acts/ Legislation.

Come on Dan and Matthew close the loophole then if it's bad for MPs to claim such allowances.

Also it is facing a parliamentary investigation so no doubt more funds will be wasted paying PWC top dollar to prove that although not in the spirit of cricket there was nothing wrong with what they did.
 
I often wonder why Matthew Guy and his Coalition team wants the Herald Sun to land the hammer blows on the Andrews government instead of doing it themselves.
Unsurprising! The Murdoch publications are the PR arm of the Libs and have been for some considerable time.
 
Have they actually legally done anything wrong under either the parliamentary laws or even criminal laws. Just because something is morally wrong doesn't make it wrong under parliamentary rules or Acts/ Legislation.

Come on Dan and Matthew close the loophole then if it's bad for MPs to claim such allowances.

Also it is facing a parliamentary investigation so no doubt more funds will be wasted paying PWC top dollar to prove that although not in the spirit of cricket there was nothing wrong with what they did.

Given the Speaker signed off on the Deputy's claims and the Deputy signed off on the Speaker's claim they probably didnt break the law.

Except in that they colluded / conspired to defraud taxpayers which absolutely should be illegal.

How the hell did Andrews put such obvious crooks in such important roles? I can only assume its a backroom union faction deal.

All it needed was one of the 2 having even a shred of morals and it wouldnt have happened.
 
Unsurprising! The Murdoch publications are the PR arm of the Libs and have been for some considerable time.

Ever since mid-1992, when the Herald Sun put out an extraordinary front page editorial attacking the then Kirner Labor Government for Victoria's woes at the time (ie collapse of State Bank, Pyramid Building Society, high unemployment). The late Joan Kirner suggested that people should not buy the Herald Sun anymore, because it did not come out in full support of the government.


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Ever since mid-1992, when the Herald Sun put out an extraordinary front page editorial attacking the then Kirner Labor Government for Victoria's woes at the time (ie collapse of State Bank, Pyramid Building Society, high unemployment). The late Joan Kirner suggested that people should not buy the Herald Sun anymore, because it did not come out in full support of the government.

Governnent doesn't take responsibility for it's failures, instead blames the media.
 
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Well considering the premier threw a billion dollars down the drain when he came to power by cancelling the east west link a couple of hundred thousand dollars is chump change in comparison. It's in fact less than 1/3000 the size of the east west link loss. If they didn't string Andrews up for that why would anyone give a stuff about something so relatively small?
Sick of the cost us a billion argument. 10 billion construction cost. Cost benefit return was around 50c per dollar. Therefore residual cost was 5 billion. So by cancelling the contract he saved 4 billion.
 
Sick of the cost us a billion argument. 10 billion construction cost. Cost benefit return was around 50c per dollar. Therefore residual cost was 5 billion. So by cancelling the contract he saved 4 billion.
Explain exactly how you come up with the cost benefit return? It's basically impossible to measure the social benefit from roads.
 
Infrastructure Australia.

50c in the dollar is pathetic for urban road infrastructure

Plenty of country upgrades happen with lower cost benefit than that. But are justified on life saving criteria
 
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